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First Time Growing, Looking For Advice

Dark Bacon

New member
Hey everyone, this is my first post on these forums, and I'm looking for some advice for a potential grow room I may create in my basement. Here are a few pictures of where I plan on setting up shop.



As you can see its a pretty crappy basement, but there is a lot of space there, and hopefully a lot of potential. Ignore the fan in the center, I do not plan on using that for the grow room, I basically just put that there to keep the airflow after i scrubbed the walls down pretty hard with disinfectant.

Now as much as I would like to utilize every square foot of space available to me, this is going to be my first time growing, so I would rather have a smaller sized operation, and then extend it when I get more experience. As of right now, the general idea is to split it up into a veg room and a flowering room, and I intend on keeping a few mother plants in the veg room and cutting clones, as apposed to starting fresh from seedlings each time around. The plan is to use a 600 watt HPS bulb for the flowering room (http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48956), and a 600 watt MH bulb for the veg room (http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48969).

I am certainly open to the idea of adding another set of lamps to each room at some point, but for right now I want to try and cut costs a bit in case this turns out to be a flop. So basically what I'm asking is, how large should I make each room with those lamps? I have about 5' width that I plan on using, but i'm unsure how long I should make each room. The original plan was to make each room 5x6, but i'm concerned that I wont have enough lumen per sq foot.

Now this also raises another question, assuming I have adequate lighting for each room, how many plants would I be able to squeeze into each room? I've read not to think about it in terms of how much light per plant, but how much light per sq ft of space your using. But if it's possible to have equal or higher yields from more spaced out plants, I would certainly want to go with that.

I intend on completely covering each room with white & black poly to keep it as reflective as possible. I may use additional Mylar, but I'm not sure yet if it would be necessary. I'm going to be growing using soil, because honestly i'm terrified of using a hydro setup with no experience. I like the idea of adding CO2, but I don't see myself using it, at least for the first harvest.

So yeah, that's about it, all of the finer details, such as which soil to use, which nutrients ect, are all undecided as of right now, I plan on experimenting with different types to see which will work best for me. Oh and if it's relevant, I'm going to be growing White Widow predominately, with maybe a few other strains mixed in there, all depending on what sprouts, and what turns out to be female.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks for reading :wave:
 

ibjamming

Active member
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My advice? Keep it REALLY simple.

Don't build a bunch of stuff, don't go out and buy all kinds of stuff.

Get some simple pots, some great soil, simple (but complete) nutes, and do a simple grow with cheap seeds. Just pots with a light over it. Ventilation too of course, just an oscillating fan.

Do this grow to be sure you can take some plants from start to finish. See what you want/need before building things. And make your grow area specific to you.

When I say cheap, I'm not talking about growing Mexican ditchweed...get real seed, but make them reasonably priced. Nirvana has a ton to choose from for example. I've grown their warez...nothing stellar, but you're not paying for that either. You'll be happy with your buds. You don't want to spend hundreds in seeds without KNOWING you can take them from start to finish.

Go read some of the "first timer" horror stories.

I killed my first indoor plants...over watered them...it's the most common cause of cannabis death. Don't do it.

That's my advice.

Good luck!
 

Justin_Credible

Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary....
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My advice? Keep it REALLY simple.

Don't build a bunch of stuff, don't go out and buy all kinds of stuff.

Get some simple pots, some great soil, simple (but complete) nutes, and do a simple grow with cheap seeds. Just pots with a light over it. Ventilation too of course, just an oscillating fan.

Do this grow to be sure you can take some plants from start to finish. See what you want/need before building things. And make your grow area specific to you.

When I say cheap, I'm not talking about growing Mexican ditchweed...get real seed, but make them reasonably priced. Nirvana has a ton to choose from for example. I've grown their warez...nothing stellar, but you're not paying for that either. You'll be happy with your buds. You don't want to spend hundreds in seeds without KNOWING you can take them from start to finish.

Go read some of the "first timer" horror stories.

I killed my first indoor plants...over watered them...it's the most common cause of cannabis death. Don't do it.

That's my advice.

Good luck!

:yeahthats

I was lurking in this one to see if someone else would respond. I agree, but not on the soil part. I think that soil is too hard for a new grower, then again, maybe not. It was for me, and still is 5 years later. :tiphat: Maybe do a little surfing in the coco forum? And yeah, good luck!:tiphat:
 

hazydreams

Active member
IMHO the easiest recipe for sucess is using Fox Farms ocean forrest. and some 5 gallon buckets to transplant into for flowering.

That soil on its own will give you great results for a first timer. I prefer to mix it with extra perlite to get good drainge from the system.

When i was growing soil i used Tiger bloom guano tea from fox farms every other watering to feed them during flowering. it doesnt get much easier then that.

pot your plants in the FFOF. pick up the bucket and see how heavy they are. then water them till the water runs out the bottom. pick up the pot. This is a full pot. never water them until they feel like they did the first time you picked up the pot. this eliminates over watering!

plants your clones or seedlings in the approriate sized pots for the stage of growth they are in with the FFOF (i used solo cups with holes punched in the bottom). do not add additional nutrients until the plants have grown and you have transplanted them into bigger pots. i recommend at least two transplants. Once from the solo cups into 1 gallon pots and then once again into the 5 gallon pots to flower.

your flower pot size will depend on your total size of the plant you want.

hopefully that all makes sense


hazy.
 

Dark Bacon

New member
Thanks for the advice so far, yeah I like the idea of using the FoxFarm's Ocean Forest, I really just didn't want to end up using Miracle Grow to be honest, and fortunately I have an HTGSupply retail store only about 40 mins away from my house which sells it.

Now here is another question which probably goes against the idea of keeping it simple, but what about splitting my space up into 3 rooms instead of the 2? Then I would have a veg room, flowering room, and a room for fresh clones and the mother plants. I'm mainly worried about putting fresh clones, and especially my original seedlings under the 600 watt MH lamp, I would put it up as high as I could, but I don't want to burn them when they are really delicate. If i added the third room I would just use regular cheap fluorescent lamps from Walmart, and put them down somewhat close to the plants.

The other concern with that would be the mother plants. Once they are grown and i'm just using them as a clone source, would they be sustainable under cheap fluorescents? By cheap fluorescents i'm talking about T8s, I don't know but T5s seem really expensive for the amount of light they produce.
 

hazydreams

Active member
3 rooms is a good idea. if you have the space and coin i would do that.

Mothers wouldnt have to be kept in the cloning room. you could just designate them a spot under the 600 MH in the veg room and let them do their thing under that.

Three lights allows you to grow plants to size while another batch is flowering. depending on the length of time to finish this could cut your harvest times down from once every three months to once ever two months. the extra light is worth it in my opinion unless your flowering straight from clone.

one thing to consider is how many plants your going to put under your light in the flowering room. make sure you design maintenece space into your design otherwise youll be spending alot of time moving plants out of your room to water them (this sucks alot and was one of my major reason to switch to hydro, another is what to do with all the soil after the harvest..)
 

!!!

Now in technicolor
Veteran
That looks like a great place to grow. I wish I had that much space.

You don't need a separate room for clones. It's a waste IMO. Instead, just put the clones into a small box with 1-2 CFLs and when they root, slowly introduce them to the 600w and they'll take off in no time. Moms can stay in the veg room as well, and yes CFLs/T8/T5s are great for moms.

Coco instead of soil would be a better choice. It's easier to work with, much less prone to overwatering, and the plants love it.

Order seeds ASAP and begin vegging while you build your room. It took me about a month to plan out my grow and get everything setup, and when I was done I wished that I had vegged earlier to speed things up. You can veg under a few CFLs until the HIDs are running.
 

Chronictron

Member
i recomend 250W HPS, thats more than enough for 1 squre meter! in my experience a very impordent thing is the temperture and Smell controle, its recomendeble to by a filter for the exit air!
 

ibjamming

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Veteran
You're getting way ahead of yourself. Clones and mother plants are for the NEXT crop...after you are sure that you CAN grow a crop.

Maybe I'm not giving you enough credit...but I see it over and over..."Help! my $25 a seed grow is dying". If you don't alreay have experience gardening...REAL gardening...not just keeping a potted plant alive...I highly suggest a practice run. No clones, no vegging mothers..no separate rooms.

Are you going for that killer pheno of $150 a pack "xxxxx" right from the start? "Big mistakey"!

Next grow...when you're ready, go for that...but not until. It's too much to worry/think about...too soon. Baby steps...young Luke...baby steps...

If you're already raising tomatoes and other veggies from seed with success...then I apologize and wish you the best of luck...I'll be asking you questions next time.

FFOF is a great choice...many here love it. I'd mix in half of the seed started mix because many also say it's hot. Though that could be overwatering...not the soil.

Good luck!
 

Dark Bacon

New member
I suppose I should have mentioned early on that I will be having a bit of help from a friend on this, who has successfully grown from seed to harvest. Well, he will be harvesting in about a week. However, his setup was very small, just 3 plants in the shower of his second bathroom, 2 of his plants turned out to be male, so it's just the one now. So he will be able to at least help out with the rookie mistakes like over watering, too many nutrients, things like that. He used cheap fluorescents from start to finish though, so using the big HID lamps are gonna be brand new to both of us. So i'm planning on monitoring room temperatures really closely, and hopefully finding a way to keep it cool in there until summer is over.

As far as air filtration goes, I originally was going to setup a ozone generator, until after further research found out I could end up killing myself anytime I went to the basement, so I'm probably just gonna use a carbon filter.

My plan was to germinate most of, if not all of my seeds(I didn't spend a ton of money on really expensive seeds thankfully). Let them all grow enough so that I can cut my first clone, let it get some roots, then immediately flower it. That way I can sex my plants as quickly as possible, to avoid spending all that time and effort raising the males. I would then toss out all the first clones, and any corresponding male plants that they came from.

While that was going on I would naturally be continuing to grow the originals, and once I was sure I only had females, I would let them grow to an appropriate size, tossing any weak plants, and just sticking with a specific number of mother plants(I haven't decided how many mothers I would need to consistently have clones available for my grow space).

Now these are just ideas that I had over the course of the past few weeks while I wait to see the results of my friends plant. Feel free to tell me my ideas are bad, I take constructive criticism well, and this is the reason I'm reaching out for help from experienced growers. I don't have really high expectations for the first harvest, honestly I'll be happy just to keep everything alive. I'm a relatively smart guy, but i'm a textbook over thinker. Thanks for all of the advice so far by the way. I'm really glad I decided to join this community over some other forums I've visited.
 

hazydreams

Active member
there is no "probably" about needing a carbon filter. not getting busted requires it. it should be at the top of your list right after a light!

ventilation is next on my sights when I'm looking at construction of a room. you need to keep them cool, so dont skimp on the exhaust fan. you should be shooting for 75*F. now thats not to say that 80* is a deal breaker or even higher then that. But most of those sucessful grows in high temps had CO2 being pumped into the room and were operated by experienced growers. Keep the temps low!

while on the subject of CO2 you mentioned it. while your building this system out now would be the time to address an AC unit, if you choose to use one. Honestly if your planning on going to co2 you might as well buy it and use it until you get around to buying the necessary controller and co2 generating device. buying the ac eliminates the need for most ventilation except for a fan sucking air thru a carbon filter (again stated, if you are growing it out right you NEED SMELL CONTROL!!)

My 2 cents not trying to over complicate it, but i want you to consider your options that you have!
 
You're getting way ahead of yourself. Clones and mother plants are for the NEXT crop...after you are sure that you CAN grow a crop.

Maybe I'm not giving you enough credit...but I see it over and over..."Help! my $25 a seed grow is dying". If you don't alreay have experience gardening...REAL gardening...not just keeping a potted plant alive...I highly suggest a practice run. No clones, no vegging mothers..no separate rooms.

Are you going for that killer pheno of $150 a pack "xxxxx" right from the start? "Big mistakey"!

Next grow...when you're ready, go for that...but not until. It's too much to worry/think about...too soon. Baby steps...young Luke...baby steps...

If you're already raising tomatoes and other veggies from seed with success...then I apologize and wish you the best of luck...I'll be asking you questions next time.

FFOF is a great choice...many here love it. I'd mix in half of the seed started mix because many also say it's hot. Though that could be overwatering...not the soil.

Good luck!
this is so true. i'm glad i didn't spend money on seeds at all (bagseed, 2/2 females :)) because i almost killed both of them and got an unsatisfactory yield. now i have redesigned my cab, fixed my problems, and gotten new lights. i'm STILL going to grow bagseed just to make sure i can do it again since i'll be at a different location and i don't know how the tapwater is there.
 

hazydreams

Active member
You're getting way ahead of yourself. Clones and mother plants are for the NEXT crop...after you are sure that you CAN grow a crop.

Maybe I'm not giving you enough credit...but I see it over and over..."Help! my $25 a seed grow is dying". If you don't alreay have experience gardening...REAL gardening...not just keeping a potted plant alive...I highly suggest a practice run. No clones, no vegging mothers..no separate rooms.

Are you going for that killer pheno of $150 a pack "xxxxx" right from the start? "Big mistakey"!

Next grow...when you're ready, go for that...but not until. It's too much to worry/think about...too soon. Baby steps...young Luke...baby steps...

If you're already raising tomatoes and other veggies from seed with success...then I apologize and wish you the best of luck...I'll be asking you questions next time.

FFOF is a great choice...many here love it. I'd mix in half of the seed started mix because many also say it's hot. Though that could be overwatering...not the soil.

Good luck!

While ill agree that buying seeds is a horrible idea at his stage of the game, ill say that its never to early to start learning to clone. this is the one skill that every grower will have to master at some point or another inorder replicate a chosen strain.

To reiterate. build out your grow room then get some bag seed or a clone from someone if you can. A clone would be the BEST way to go. if you do do a good job growing it out, you dont kill it and spend the effort and money on it nothing is more disheartening then having a male as your pride and joy.

I forgot to mention in my post above about FFOF being a little hot for seedlings.. your not going to want to start any seeds in that IMO. something like happy frog or seedling soil would be the best thing to start seeds in. sorry if i was misleading in the first post.
 

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