First time grower with SILS on micro grow

[Sampas92]

Hit the wall

Hit the wall

Hi guys how yall doin?hoping alot of smokes for you guys : )
So i just left her alone after inspectioning..no more delays lets get the pictures right away
Mary

So for the trained eye, its not good..
The damaged first and second leaves
The whitiness of the leaves on its veins and fingers..i see development of the 4th and 5th node..also see the earky stages of side branching.
So having everything in consideration, i turned off one light directly above her, now just 3, like Jane, less intensity for her to recover, shes taller so the light may be too strong for her, and less nutrients uptake..im gonna prepare a foliar of calmag for both of them..
Jane

Jane is growing, everyday, the leafs are bigger, the green is better BUT the first pair of leafs, like is older sister, also is mechanicaly damaged, they also stay curled all the times until i pass my finger in the leaf and it curls up and stay that way, the leaf its not properly functioning in the moviment that the plants naturally do.
I dont know, i dont seems ph..i dont seems to be overnuted (nitrogen toxicity the claw i think?)..i just have 3 things on my inexperienced mind that is the constant wind of the fan, but i dont feel any air when i place my hand above Jane. So i kinda discarded it plus i see a lot of people with strong wins even for seedlings, every strain is different but....
The other ones are shocks in temperature and humidity by opening the grow.
The one i think it is the stomata function..from what iv read, stomata opens and closes because of transpiration..but also to uptake nutrient in the air when they are seedlings..since i cant for now have the right rh for the temperature, it cant function the stomata properly?vpd is not right maybe?but whem i think about this i also remeber other growers where the vpd is not good also and the leafs are not like this..
What can also cause the leaves to look like this that im not remembering?
But the worst is on the next post

 

[Sampas92]

The worst is this

Wtf is this?
Is on the first pair of leafs, both have them..
The point, it looks kinda a very light grey..its strange..
The leaf, on touch in that exact part, it feels kinda dry, but not the dry of lack of water or humidity in the air..it reminds me of when we get burned chemicaly by a toxic product..
whipedmeat told me to just use distiled or ro water on my humidifier because of the equipment and also to not chemicaly burn my plant..could this a chemical burn caused by the normal water in the humi?
Or is something else?
Iv been searching but i didnt get any conclusion..also that green under the up side of the leaf is strange, also her veins in the point of the leaf.

Any inputs on this?

 

[exploziv]

Not from the humidifier. I have used over 20 l of regular tap water in mine and plants were ok.

 

[PCBuds]

I'm agreeing with exploziv.

I think you've got nute burn.

Perhaps it doesn't look like regular nute burn, because it's not the usual NPK burn that we have all done.
It could be another element that is out of wack so it looks different. (maybe something causing a lockout?)

Or maybe it looks different because it's a seedling or it's genetics?

 

[exploziv]

Yeah could be also be ph problems, would show about the same..

 

[Sampas92]

Yeah could be also be ph problems, would show about the same..

The ph of the water after mixing the nutes was of 6.5 +/-..i dont know about run off, i didnt get much and didnt do it..i use bottled water because the ph is more consistent than my tap water that is around 8ish..would i be better with distilled water?
I see ph with one of those droplets ghe tests and a cheap ph metter to double check somehow..maybe im missing something, dunno..the soil its suppose to be ready to use from the bag and its from a company focused on cannabis so the mistake is mine for sure..
Its fustrating to dont know what im doin wrong.
Still learning, i need to remind myself that slow and steady is the win win way..
Well i need to make plans for my next grow then, i need to be prepared for when this run ends, by harvest or by funeral

Thank you for the inputs guys
Peace

 

[exploziv]

Using bottled water can acumulate minerals in excess in the soil. Now.. 8 ph is a lot but with the right mix and/or using ph down every watering it can be used.

 

[PCBuds]

If you do a flush with distilled water, it will help to wash out some salts, and you can measure your runoff for EC and PH to get an idea of where your substrate is at.

As long as your media has enough drainage to not drown your seedlings.

(that's why I like coco/perlite. I can't drown my plants anymore. Lol)

 

[Sampas92]

Using bottled water can acumulate minerals in excess in the soil. Now.. 8 ph is a lot but with the right mix and/or using ph down every watering it can be used.

The minerals are mg/l
Silica 14
Total mineralization (sorry for the english) 75
Chloride 10
Bicarbonate 11.2
Sodium 11
Calcium 5.6
Could be because of sodium?all the water i have gave her is this one..
Regarding my tap water, the ph is always high but i can manage that with aple cider vinagre, i only use the bottle water to dont need to evaporate chorine from my tap, lazy ass

 

[Sampas92]

If you do a flush with distilled water, it will help to wash out some salts, and you can measure your runoff for EC and PH to get an idea of where your substrate is at.

As long as your media has enough drainage to not drown your seedlings.

(that's why I like coco/perlite. I can't drown my plants anymore. Lol)

Im affraid to flush at this time, the roots are not fully developed yet, plus my pot being this shape..i did dig a lot of holes in the bottom of the pot but i dont want too..
I just need to know if i can water her with distiled water all the time..
Maybe its easier if i just use my tap and regulate it

 

[PCBuds]

I just need to know if i can water her with distiled water all the time..

I'm struggling with that myself right now.

Lots of people use distilled or RO water for their grow, (including myself right now, because I finally hooked up my RO water purifier. Lol) because you have complete control over what is going into your grow.

Distilled water is exactly 7 PH, but it quickly absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere and creates carbonic acid and the PH drops to 5.8 before it stabilizes.

BUT, it is a very weak acid solution because distilled water has no buffers.
It only takes a micro amount of any salt to drastically change the PH.

So my answer to your question is, I Dunno. Lol


I think it's fine to use straight distilled water though, and you're not introducing any salts.

Maybe exploziv can answer that?

 

[PCBuds]

Another thing that I just read is that the cheap compressed coco usually isn't cleaned and ph balanced.

Some of it comes from palm trees that are close to the ocean and the coco is contaminated with sodium (NaCl).

What can help treat it is CalMag.
It helps to allows the plant to uptake the proper nutrients (something about the proper ion and cation uptake points that were blocked by the sodium.)
The coco still needs to be treated with citrates to remove the sodium but the CalMag allows the plant to uptake proper nutrients with the sodium still in the way.


So, my guess is that if you use CalMag in distilled water, then PH it to what you want, it should work because the CalMag becomes the buffer to hold the PH steady and you are not introducing any other forms of salt.

That's my guess, ... you're using CalMag anyway.
But now without any bad salts.

 

[Sampas92]

Shit it the fan on Mary

 

[Sampas92]

Burned curled down, curled up, it has all kinds of things goin on but i will not let her die

Jane is looking fine doin its thing on its 5th day

See ya guys

 

[PCBuds]

Sorry to hear and see all that.

Don't give up!




I still think that they will both make it.

 

[exploziv]

It could be sodium. But I think the fact you gave them nutes (maybe too much) is also to blame. Maybe ph swings as well.
I wouldn't water the plant with distilled water either, unless I charge the water with nutes first. Pure water will leech minerals from cells. But that still leaves it as a very expensive water alternative. Try to find bottled spring water that is low in minerals if that is the single option. You could also buy a filter and have clean drinking water and plant water from your tap. That could be better and cheaper than buying water to water the plants.
Water with phed water for the next waterings and see what happens.

 

[PCBuds]

I wouldn't water the plant with distilled water either, unless I charge the water with nutes first. Pure water will leech minerals from cells...

Oh okay.
I was thinking about leeching minerals from the media.
I didn't think about leeching from the plant.

 

[Sampas92]

It could be sodium. But I think the fact you gave them nutes (maybe too much) is also to blame. Maybe ph swings as well.
I wouldn't water the plant with distilled water either, unless I charge the water with nutes first. Pure water will leech minerals from cells. But that still leaves it as a very expensive water alternative. Try to find bottled spring water that is low in minerals if that is the single option. You could also buy a filter and have clean drinking water and plant water from your tap. That could be better and cheaper than buying water to water the plants.
Water with phed water for the next waterings and see what happens.

Did phed the water before watering them with the nutes..
When you mean ph swings, you mean because of umthem uptaking nutes and that changes the ph?
So i could just fuck her up because of gaving her nutes?so she was fine before?
I think i could have gave her too much light..
This shit is hard but im stuborn and im gonna win at this thing

 

[Sampas92]

It could be sodium. But I think the fact you gave them nutes (maybe too much) is also to blame. Maybe ph swings as well.
I wouldn't water the plant with distilled water either, unless I charge the water with nutes first. Pure water will leech minerals from cells. But that still leaves it as a very expensive water alternative. Try to find bottled spring water that is low in minerals if that is the single option. You could also buy a filter and have clean drinking water and plant water from your tap. That could be better and cheaper than buying water to water the plants.
Water with phed water for the next waterings and see what happens.

One guy told me that the pale colour could be genetics, variegation..could that induce us in the wrong way, thinking she needed nutes?

 

[exploziv]

Could be, but if it's getring worse for sure it isn't. Also, spots would be one thing, but you also have tissue necrosis. There is something that bothers them for sure. Water with just phed water and see what happens.