First indoor grow..ICC method with blue streak and jd diesel ryder

[the.rise]

i had a similar problem being lack of water stress a few weeks ago. i went from watering every 3 days to watering every other day and now the girls are back on track and alot happier. I initially mistook my problem to be a N deficiency and ICC helped me figure out my kinks.

ive also noticed that the Happy Frog fruit and flower has 0% water soluble nitrogen so the majority of your N is coming off of granulated matter that is suspended in the tea when applied. itd make sense to assume not all of this N is being brought down to the roots. next run im going to hopefully be using Black Gold (which has some water soluble N) but its hard to find on the east coast

this whole response is directed towards your most recent picture of the dried up leaf down low, i had literally the same problem at the second node for 1/2 my girls

 

[tokerofdakill]

i had a similar problem being lack of water stress a few weeks ago. i went from watering every 3 days to watering every other day and now the girls are back on track and alot happier. I initially mistook my problem to be a N deficiency and ICC helped me figure out my kinks.

ive also noticed that the Happy Frog fruit and flower has 0% water soluble nitrogen so the majority of your N is coming off of granulated matter that is suspended in the tea when applied. itd make sense to assume not all of this N is being brought down to the roots. next run im going to hopefully be using Black Gold (which has some water soluble N) but its hard to find on the east coast

this whole response is directed towards your most recent picture of the dried up leaf down low, i had literally the same problem at the second node for 1/2 my girls

hey man, thanks for dropping by, i know it cant be that.. if anything its over watering..im hoping he can help me out as well or im gunna go with chyna's approach and hit em with what i got(fertilome)..yes u are rite nobody on EC carries black gold stuff..im using POM that was made on 4-20-09.. u would think its a lucky box..where are u finding the black gold? i will need sum myself..maybe i can save em before they get any worse..thanks

 

[the.rise]

im working with some people that live on the west coast to try to get some mailed to me. i actually offered to pay black gold's email correspondent personally to send some to the east coast but never got a response haha

 

[tokerofdakill]

hmmm that is crazy.. i mean its not even on ebay. i will have to check into it more before spring.i know ICC stays busy , so i mite just have to give 1 or 2 a little fertilome and see if it helps any, then give it to all plants that need it.Then switch back to organic tea. i swear by it outdoor, when transplanting and during flower..leaves have gotten a little worse on other plants starting to spread about 1/2 way up , but only on the main fan leaves..it needs to be stopped and fast...

 

[tokerofdakill]

BS female repotted 3 days ago..day 40 still not in full flower..maybe soon..but i dont mind the wait..she is still growing by the day... tea time is tomorrow

 

[Bighill]

Toker, if you are out of the city, you should start a good compost going. Even indoors in some tubs. You can then add to you soil mix as needed. You must be able to get ahold of some manuer, i've used sheep (still do) in my compost. Powdered kelp mix is also good to add. Some dolomite lime to offset the peat acidity, from re-use. The organics thread is a good read, maybe make your way over.

H3ad's work coached me into composting, i've never been more pleased with end results.

The issues i've had bubbling teas is what The.Rise said, finding a soluble N source. I've had some good results using my own composted soils in teas, as opposed to store bought. Half the hyrdo shops around me mix their own crap and push that stuff, rarely do they have brand name bags of dirt.

It does look like a N deff. Over watering can do this but i've found the leaves just die green and all when it's over watered, the yellowing is what gives away the N. Cal mag tends to leave green veins in the leaves as they yellow/brown, if i remember correctly. Also looks like a PH lockout (N Deff), i'd give the water a good go over to see if anything needs to be adjusted.

At the same time you want them to be using stored energy when they are late in flower, this will make the buds very clean to smoke. If the N deff isn't eating leaves all over the place i'd let er go. Maybe try some manuers but they do look good.

Q: Was this your first run with the BS?

BH

 

[IceColdCrickets]

i say feed them TODAY! Med TEA. with Mild Molasses,, not black strap, and some super thrive and some Liquid Seaweed and then watch how fast they grow! And make sure you feed them well flush with the TEA get some run off. LETS JUICE THEM! It might kick them in to flowering,,if not , 12/12 them now before they get out of hand.

 

[tokerofdakill]

i say feed them TODAY! Med TEA. with Mild Molasses,, not black strap, and some super thrive and some Liquid Seaweed and then watch how fast they grow! And make sure you feed them well flush with the TEA get some run off. LETS JUICE THEM! It might kick them in to flowering,,if not , 12/12 them now before they get out of hand.

Whats up bro.. im brewing tea right now..this is only 1 outta 10 that isnt in full flower. rest have been for about a week.hmmmm guess i could sit her out for a few extra hrs and see if that kicks her into flower..im brewing 1/4 tps ST,1 1/2 tbps POM,1/2 dose of maxicrop, and heavy tps of mild molasses to gal h2o..gunna hit 1 DR tonight and check in the am, if not burned will hit other 9 tomorrow.. im ready to juice em to but dont wanna burn em since i just fed the lite shot of fertilome yesterday..next run i will stick strait to ur method from the gate.. i know now that, my overwatering pushed all the nutes out...thanks bro u tried ur LR #2 yet?

 

[tokerofdakill]

Toker, if you are out of the city, you should start a good compost going. Even indoors in some tubs. You can then add to you soil mix as needed. You must be able to get ahold of some manuer, i've used sheep (still do) in my compost. Powdered kelp mix is also good to add. Some dolomite lime to offset the peat acidity, from re-use. The organics thread is a good read, maybe make your way over.

H3ad's work coached me into composting, i've never been more pleased with end results.

The issues i've had bubbling teas is what The.Rise said, finding a soluble N source. I've had some good results using my own composted soils in teas, as opposed to store bought. Half the hyrdo shops around me mix their own crap and push that stuff, rarely do they have brand name bags of dirt.

It does look like a N deff. Over watering can do this but i've found the leaves just die green and all when it's over watered, the yellowing is what gives away the N. Cal mag tends to leave green veins in the leaves as they yellow/brown, if i remember correctly. Also looks like a PH lockout (N Deff), i'd give the water a good go over to see if anything needs to be adjusted.

At the same time you want them to be using stored energy when they are late in flower, this will make the buds very clean to smoke. If the N deff isn't eating leaves all over the place i'd let er go. Maybe try some manuers but they do look good.

Q: Was this your first run with the BS?

BH

Hey big, thanks for stopping by..nice info u have here..yes i have a pile brewing ..right now its just leaves and table scraps..been going bout 2 months..plan to add potting soil and hay/straw..water it in and mix it till spring..this is my 1st indoor run ever.. im now hooked, playing around inside, cause we cant outside and im running low on meds.. never used compost at all, but i want to.. what method do you use for brewing compost tea? plan to play around with a few diffrent was of teaing and feeding the girl's this yr outdoor..both af's and non...i guess it was very lucky on my part that i got a box of the POM instead of the happy frog..im trying to get some Black Gold fert..but maybe ICC will have his new method out by the time this box is empty, im happy with this one its simple and easy..

 

[Bighill]

Toker. I'll give you a kind of run-down of what i've had success with.

First off i use rain water or melted snow, i use a sand/charcole filter that i run all water through before storage. That takes care of clean water to start with. My tap water is very heavy lots of cal/metals in the water, and i am a renound cheap ass (hence the free water). I have a RO unit for summer, when i get no rain for 3+ weeks, or winter really. Clean PH'd water is first priority.. I am sure you can attest to how well rain water does, as you stated you've grown out-side.

I usually bubble in 4 litre jugs, i have a bag of compost i get locally that works out to "roughly" 5-2-2. I put a hand full of this in, A pinch of kelp mix wich is 1-1-2. This is what i call a more mild tea. Seedlings over 6 inches to about 12/14 inch plants.

When they get bigger or show more demands on N. I will add a pinch/punch of sheep mauer to the tea. I would rather use bat guano but i am having issues getting some, the last probably... 8 months now. Sheep has worked good, but it is strong, i haven't had burn but toxic N. build up on a gal FOR SURE. So i've only used it sparingly or on gals that love the N. (in teas anyway, i ALWAYS put sheep in my dirt)

When i am brewing a tea i also use molassis, it helps make up for the lacking Cal/Mag and other things in my compost and kelp. It's debated whether "MO" helps, in my mind the sugars alone will help feed the microbs. Which gets more to multiply in the tea while brewing, therefore benifitial in my mind. I brew at room temp for at least 24 hours, i have found 48 hours to be ideal, you really "see" a difference.

All that beeing said, i sually have to taylor a tea to a secific pheno or line. I find with autos i can get the soil mix to get them almost all the way through without adding alot of watered nutrients. I use welcome harvest products to help my soil mixes become more "whole". After every grow the root ball and all goes into the compost bins with amendments and after a few turns it's good to go again.

Also on a side note, i also do use GH "Dr. Hornby's big bud" Once, 2 weeks in and another watering 2 weeks before chop. They just seem to kick into bud alot harder with a dose. I know.. I know... General hydroponics.... I can't help but argure the results i've had.

I'm sure it's not everyones desired method, but i have little to zero watse the plants are happy, and MOST important the smoke is CLEAN.. I am talking ZERO black in that ash..

BUT you are running ICC's method so follow his advice, all others aside he designed his system to be a more one size fits all. So his advice will help you taylor your grow better than mine will.

May the buds grow larger.
BH

 

[tokerofdakill]

Big thanks for sharing.. sounds like a nice system..maybe i can try sumthing like that sumtime..only manure that would be around here in bulk, would be chicken.. its hot stuff i know..this is my 1st try at organics as well..i like this method cause its so simple and easy, wanna use it outside as well , it only has to brew 4-6 hrs and ur done..noway i can brew tea in the bush for 24-48 hrs and have to stir it, ya know what i mean? so please if u run across a compost tea method that dont have to brew as long please let me know..thanks big

 

[tokerofdakill]

day 41 group photo.. i know some look ruff, but 1st time so dont be to harsh the ICC method is so simple..but if u use it follow it as directed

 

[GlassHoler]

Hope all is going well with the ladies. They looking healthier? I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to have to water really often. The humidity in our box is so low that even with a humidifier in the bottom of the box running 24/7 only gets it into the mid 20%'s. Are you watering every other day?

 

[tokerofdakill]

Hey glass yea they looking a little better buds are getting bigger, so must not be to bad.. im watering every other day now..made big mistake by overwatering that made a few DR strech out alot..but they have stopped now at 26"..was gunna tell u that some of the DR will have leaves curl down and mite make u think they need water when really they dont..just go by weight of pot and let soil dry out a little..wish my humidity was that low..very humid in my room at around 40% with fans going all the time..but maybe they will make it..do know they are loaded down with seeds.woohoo.so if they make and i get a little smoke ill be happy.stay safe and green.later man

 

[GlassHoler]

Well I'm glad to hear the DR's do that! I was noticing a bit of drooping in the leaves, even after a healthy watering. I did give a first (very light!) feeding last night w/ molasses and Grow Big, and wow what a difference. The plants all looked happy as hell this morning

As for the Humidity, I was reading that 40%'s were actually ideal! In a few of the grow forums it said this, so that is why we have been trying to bump ours up (we couldn't actually get a reading because the monitor didn't go below 20%). It sounds like you may have a perfect setting Sorry to bug ya so much, its just nice to talk with someone who is finishing what I'm just starting

Peace&happiness
GlassH

 

[Mr.Meds]

during flowering a low humidity is said to raise the THC and/or potency. I would have to agree through my observations. 30-60% is good for vegetive growth and higher humidities for sprouts.

 

[tokerofdakill]

Well I'm glad to hear the DR's do that! I was noticing a bit of drooping in the leaves, even after a healthy watering. I did give a first (very light!) feeding last night w/ molasses and Grow Big, and wow what a difference. The plants all looked happy as hell this morning

As for the Humidity, I was reading that 40%'s were actually ideal! In a few of the grow forums it said this, so that is why we have been trying to bump ours up (we couldn't actually get a reading because the monitor didn't go below 20%). It sounds like you may have a perfect setting Sorry to bug ya so much, its just nice to talk with someone who is finishing what I'm just starting

Peace&happiness
GlassH

Bro, u are not buggin me by no means.yes some DR have dropped all the way thru there life..i overwaterd them thinking they were dry..dont do the same. yea they seem to be happy at 40% H.. im not gunna stress it.. i do know that a few plants are still showing a N def. 3 days after tea think ill hit a them with the fertilome.. it seems to keep them happy..also if u can get BACTO potting soil and mix it 50/50 with premium peat moss it will serve u just as well as the fox farm and 1/3 of the cost..its all i use outside and am experimenting with it inside and i can tell any differance then it and the $20+ a bag fox farm...later man

 

[Bighill]

Toker they look happy. few more weeks to go.

 

[tokerofdakill]

Toker they look happy. few more weeks to go.

Hey Big, yea buds are swelling up everyday..im now hooked on indoor..but will keep it on a small scale..dont wanna get to big with it..wont be long as it has been..the 1 Bs that flowered 1st has really got the trich's..looks kinda nasty,but then beautiful as well..cant wait to try it..but im gunna wait till there fully mature..will post pics when i get a chance

 

[happycamper15]

Looking good toker. You should be at day 46 correct? Think the bs will be ready in 10 days as advertised?