First Grow "Slow grow"

[Rinweed]

Hey all,

been lurking here for a while, picking up some knowledge before I tried starting my own forest of awesomeness. Too bad I'm already having issues that even my old man cant help me figure out.

Heres the info:

SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
Random Bagseed
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
Seed
What is the age of your plants?
3 weeks for the big planter, 2 weeks for the cupped ones.
How Tall are the plants?
big ones:
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
Vegetative.
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
None so far.
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
Around a 10" diameter x7" deep planter for the two taller ones.
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
Not a clue. I'm using some river rock at the last inch or so for drainage. Soil is some Miracle Grow Pottery crap (I know it blows, I'm going to buy some soil before I transplant in a week.)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
I put a bit of Superthrive in the first gallon I fed the big plants (half a cap to gallon)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
Shouldn't be needing nutrients this early
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
6.5-6.8-ish
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
PH Meter (3-way)
How often are you watering?
once a day when the soil is a bit dry
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
Not feeding anything as far as I know.
What size bulb are you using?
100W high effic. Fluorescent
What is the distance to the canopy?
5 inches or so.
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
N/A
What is the canopy temperature?
75-80 constant (seedling mat with some foam insulation)
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
See above.
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
"enough" (not sure exactly but its not the issue)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
No.
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
It dries relatively fast (6-8 hours).
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Hard. I let it sit for a bit and check the PH before I use.
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Yes, but I removed the bottom leaves because they got pretty much yellow, then dried like popcorn
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
None.
Are plant's infected with pest's?
No.

Pictures: (removed for security)

I'm thinking about pulling this one, as I think it's doomed already.



MY two eldest ones, they're growing very slow and always looking very unhealthy, for no apparent reason



Looks like chemical burn on the center leaf, maybe from me dropping the water PH from 7.2 to 6.5? I had to adjust the water PH because I was getting very close to 8. Not too worried about this guy since I'm sure I caused the spot.



This one is fine though.

If anyone can think of why my elders aren't growing very fast, I'd love to hear some advice, as I've grown tired searching for answers for so long.

P.S.: going to get some soil today. Supersoil any good? Really my only choice.

-Rinweed

 

[stinkyattic]

A couple things stuck out as potentially problematic.
SuperThrive dosage is one drop per gallon; half a cap is about 1mL and approximately 40 times the recommended dose. Damage to worst-affected seedling is consistent with SuperThrive overdose.
MiracleGrow soil has fertilizers added at the factory and is too chemically 'hot' for a small seedling. Use a completely unfertilized soil at first. IF you can't find any, peat-pucks are acceptable to start your plants in until they are showing roots and a few sets of adult leaves.
Those pots are quite large for a small plant. It's actually better to start in small pots and transplant a couple times during the course of your grow, for a number of reasons- better control over soil content and freshness, no risk of stagnant wet yucky water in parts of the pot a tiny plant's roots can't access, better use of light, and better use of space.

You'll also want a bit more light. Those are stretched. REmember, no ferts at all until your plants have 4 sets of adult leaves on them.

 

[MynameStitch]

Ok, there are many things wrong here... first never put more than one seed to a pot.

2nd like stinky has said super thrive is very strong; let alone should NEVER be used on seedlings; plants that are at least a foot high and bigger and 1 drop per gallon of water is all that needs to be used......
Miracle grow is very very bad for seedliongs; the ONLY miracle grow that is good is seed starter mixture; you won't go wrong if you use that.

Your pots are way to big for the plants and they are over watered badly, seedlings are not supossed to be watered every day; you should be using dixie cups and when you water use a little bit and only water where the stem is so you get the root zone wet and nothing much else. You have pretty much killed your plants by over watering them, they are yellowing from soggy soil/ nitrogen is what is causing the yellowing' it's not able to absorb it from the soil due to the moist soil.

You should nEVER have to water seedlings everyday;

the plants are also very stretchy which means your lighting was way to high for them and the intensity of the light was not strong enough which caused them to stretch towards the light.

So this is what you need to do.

Get them out of the soil if you can...... you may not be able too; get a fan and help the soil dry out a bit if they still yellow after soil dries up a bit, you will have to start feeding them slightly.... like 1/4 teaspoon per gallon... do not use superthrive anymore for now.

The seedling is toast so pitch that; you killed off the amount of oxygen the plant needed by over waterng; your whole problem is caused by how uch you water them; cannabis does not like soggy roots; they like a water and then they like to dry out a bit, but never completely dry......
I recommend you reading this thread on about how to when and when not to water......

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=47761

If you can, remove one of the plants that is in the pot that has 2 to a pot; they all need there own pot; otherwise one WILL take over the other and they compete for root space and food; the one that grows the fastest will take over and the other one will be stunted; it's a race that someone will loose and eventually both will lose.

The bigger ones that are yellowing once they recover and perk up you can feed them; so next time you water you can feed them, but you will need to find a good kind of nutrient to feed them, a grow kind of nutrient; but never listen to the back of the bottle for feeding directions.... always use 1/4 teaspoon per gallon for first feeding to get them used to the nutrients.....

after that feed every 7 days and depending on the nutrients you are going to use is the amount..... canna GH and advanced nutrients you can listen to the directions on the bottle; those are the ONLY exception.....

 

[Rinweed]

Ok, there are many things wrong here... first never put more than one seed to a pot.

2nd like stinky has said super thrive is very strong; let alone should NEVER be used on seedlings; plants that are at least a foot high and bigger and 1 drop per gallon of water is all that needs to be used......
Miracle grow is very very bad for seedliongs; the ONLY miracle grow that is good is seed starter mixture; you won't go wrong if you use that.

Your pots are way to big for the plants and they are over watered badly, seedlings are not supossed to be watered every day; you should be using dixie cups and when you water use a little bit and only water where the stem is so you get the root zone wet and nothing much else. You have pretty much killed your plants by over watering them, they are yellowing from soggy soil/ nitrogen is what is causing the yellowing' it's not able to absorb it from the soil due to the moist soil.

You should nEVER have to water seedlings everyday;

the plants are also very stretchy which means your lighting was way to high for them and the intensity of the light was not strong enough which caused them to stretch towards the light.

So this is what you need to do.

Get them out of the soil if you can...... you may not be able too; get a fan and help the soil dry out a bit if they still yellow after soil dries up a bit, you will have to start feeding them slightly.... like 1/4 teaspoon per gallon... do not use superthrive anymore for now.

The seedling is toast so pitch that; you killed off the amount of oxygen the plant needed by over waterng; your whole problem is caused by how uch you water them; cannabis does not like soggy roots; they like a water and then they like to dry out a bit, but never completely dry......
I recommend you reading this thread on about how to when and when not to water......

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=47761

If you can, remove one of the plants that is in the pot that has 2 to a pot; they all need there own pot; otherwise one WILL take over the other and they compete for root space and food; the one that grows the fastest will take over and the other one will be stunted; it's a race that someone will loose and eventually both will lose.

The bigger ones that are yellowing once they recover and perk up you can feed them; so next time you water you can feed them, but you will need to find a good kind of nutrient to feed them, a grow kind of nutrient; but never listen to the back of the bottle for feeding directions.... always use 1/4 teaspoon per gallon for first feeding to get them used to the nutrients.....

after that feed every 7 days and depending on the nutrients you are going to use is the amount..... canna GH and advanced nutrients you can listen to the directions on the bottle; those are the ONLY exception.....

They may look overwatered because I flushed them yesterday. They had a ph of 7.8 which is now down to around 7.0 after 2-3 days. I'm probably off about my watering hours, but I'm almost positive I don't overwater considering the soil is dry every time I water, barely moist root level. I just bought some supersoil potting mix that I'm going to transplant these guys into, since this miracle grow is waaaay unstable (ph from 6.3 to 7.8 in like a week, with the water coming in at PH 6.8). I can easily see your point on the sharing, as It's happening slowly as I can see. I'm going tonight to a family party, so I'll picture update tomorrow after I transplant them. Thanks stitch and skunky for the awesome advice.

 

[MynameStitch]

You said you have been watering every day though; thats bad; you should not be watering everyday period.
How do you know it's dry? Just because the top soil is dry does not mean the middle to bottom part of the soil is dry; the top part of the soil drys out the quickest.

Who makes your mixture? Be careful if it has a lot of nutrients added, do not use it on the younger plants.... thats why I said seed starter mixture for the smaller ones......
the bigger ones may not be able to handly the stronger soil if it's a rich mixture......

 

[dontlockmeup]

yo man listen to stitch. You can't be watering everyday. plants just don't look over watered from one good flush, it takes a couple of weeks of over watering before you see the damage.It is hard to believe that your soil is drying up in 6-8 hours under a florescent light. If this is happening your temps have to be extremely high but I doubt your soil is really drying up every 6-8 hours. When I start seedlings I use floro's,dixie cups too, and I only have to water once every 7-10 days for the first month or so, until the plants have a few nodes and are ready for some real lighting. Once I have to water every other day it's time for bigger pots.

Hey guys he has also said that he is watering at 6.8 ph. isn't that high? I water 6.0-6.2 everytime. It's obvious that over watering is the main problem here but once he figures that out he needs to fix his ph too. He has said that his run off has gone from 6.3-7.8 in a week. I was under the impression that most nutrients are absorbed from 6.2ph to 6.8ph and that the ph of your medium slowly raises from the time you water till the time the pots are dry. If he is starting with a ph of 6.8 and it raises from there his plants will never absorb any nutrients.

I'm by no means an expert, I'm still learning things myself. Stitch can have that title as he has been doing this a lot longer than me.

 

[MynameStitch]

lockme up; you are right dude; your post is perfect; so don't think you are giving out bad info in that post

As for his pH; his pH is fine; he is not using a soiless mixture; soiless meaning his mixture does not have more "earth" the soil would have more peat moss, coco type stuff and other non earth type mediums... perlite.. vermiculite.

Since his is soil his pH is in range.

soil pH range needs to be 6.5 to 7.0
soiless pH range needs to be 5.5 to 6.4

Good range to keep the pH for most strains for soiless is 5.5 to 5.8

 

[Rinweed]

I'd picture update but my good camera is hiding. About 2 days ago I transplanted them all into separate containers using Supersoil potting mix. I let them sit for a bit to get a response and it seems like not much has changed. I'm 100% sure there is NO over watering issue, I know this for sure. The PH is fine, it was the miracle grow causing all the issues of PH for sure, definitely. wasn't mixed right, or was just too old.

I still for the life of me CAN'T figure out why the two elders are getting lighter in color. I figure I would give it some time to react but I have seen nothing so far, just more stunted growth I don't think it's the light, considering I have a 100W Energy efficient fluorescent bulb hanging 2-3" away.

I'll try and sneak an update in tomorrow or the day after, until then, Merry Christmas all!

 

[MynameStitch]

Make sure your soil is not too rich for seedlings or has any continous feeding in there or they will end up getting burned.

Well; I have been doing this for a long time now; you can't ever water your plants everyday when you have that pot size and the plant the size it is... you can't.

The ones that are lighter in color the bigger ones they are hungry; they need nitrogen......

Overwatering causes lack of ntirogen and o2 and causes stunting.... so trust me on this you are over watering your plants; they don't need water everyday and if so they are rootbound and your plants are not rootbound.

 

[Rinweed]

Make sure your soil is not too rich for seedlings or has any continous feeding in there or they will end up getting burned.

Been using rapid rooters now, which seem to work fine.

Well; I have been doing this for a long time now; you can't ever water your plants everyday when you have that pot size and the plant the size it is... you can't.

Well, they used to dry out fast because I think the soil got a bit washed away while sitting for 2 years or so. Right now, there is no possible away that they're being over watered CURRENTLY because I'm being extremely careful and basically letting the experienced people (pops) handle watering since "I'm doing it wrong". If he's over watering it then I'd be surprised. This isn't his first time either.

The ones that are lighter in color the bigger ones they are hungry; they need nitrogen......
Overwatering causes lack of nitrogen and o2 and causes stunting.... so trust me on this you are over watering your plants; they don't need water everyday and if so they are rootbound and your plants are not rootbound.

That might of been the original issue, which I'm almost positive it was that mixed with shitty soil, but right now thats NOT the issue, as they've been actually transplanted for almost 4-5 days now (had to check calendar) into soil with decent amount of nitrogen in it. They absorb the water and hold it for like 2 days until it dries on the top. Hence the reason I didn't post an update earlier, since its going to take some time to react.

I'll try and get images up tomorrow, even if they are low-medium quality. In the meantime I might go buy some nitrogen. Any good options before I spend 30 minutes at Home Depot wandering tomorrow?

P.S. thanks stitch for the major help, any other advice feel free to comment.

-Rinweed

 

[green_grow]

i am no "old pro" but, like the others, i dont see how you can water plants THAT small everyday and not be drowning them .
aslo, when you say you have a 100W "energy efficient flourescent bulb" are you talking about the "equivalent to 100w incandescent" figure that most manufacturers use, or are you talking nominal wattage, which would likely be somewhere around 23w or so ?

 

[Rinweed]

Manufactures use wattage, (100w, 23W actually) with another actually 23W fluor bar for the smaller ones. I'm almost positive in Veg the light doesnt need to be more than one bulb.The first pictures I think led people to the wrong conclusion. I had JUST flushed the plants prior 1 hours because the PH was almost at 8. They were NEVER that wet other than that one time. I usually give around less than a 1/4 cup of water to the elders in the back, which has always worked for so long.The mini's get around a shot glass, but my issue isn't with them.

I think it might be nitrogen, as I thought in the beginning, considering it started at the bottom. I am no "old pro" either. I just know I'm not over watering because it was completely over time. The bottom got yellow, but everything else was perky. Then after the first leaves came off they got paler and paler. I still haven't ruled out rootlock though, as during transplanting I saw minimal root growth. That and other experienced people who have actually handled the plant even agreed with me on watering.

 

[MynameStitch]

Overwatered does start over time; it does not happen with one shot of water when you drench them; when you saturate your pots; nitrogen is poorly absorbed in wet soil; this is another clue you are over watering them; you don't have to take my advice dude; but I know I am right in this situation; because plants that small are not supossed to have the slightest bit of yellowing nor deficiencies whatso ever; as long as the plant has it's cotyldons the plant should not be showing problems; you are suffocating your plants; but this is my last post as you are just not understanding that watering your plants everyday will kill your plants and cause the problem you are seeing now; you won't ever be able to learn how to fix mistakes when you are being stubborn. Have those other people grew cannabis who told you can water plants everyday?
Dude; go ahead and post another thread in soil growers fourm and ask if watering your plant everyday is ok and show the same pics you show just now; everyone will say you are overwatering them. I have been doing this for a very long time; when I see an over watered plant I know when I see one.
But thats cool; they are your plants; you take care of them how you see fit; I will say one more thing; your problem will never get fixed; because you refuse to beleive the problem I am telling you; and if the person who is experienced knows you are not over watering; why did you not go to him in the first place? You are just going to kill your plants if you listen to that guy.
Good luck with your grows.

 

[Rinweed]

That's fine, it may be exactly what your saying, and I agree. I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. I know that they're probably rootbound from overwatering, and I'm sure the flushing didn't help at all,but that issue was solved 6 days ago. They're transplanted, and If you think less than 1/4 a cup every 2-3 is too much then say an amount. Do you just want me to let them dry out or what? I don't see how you could get them any drier without killing the plants as the soil is thoroughly dry even at the bottom. And just for the record, you come off a bit harsh considering I never was being "stubborn". I don't over water now, almost a week after transplanting them. Once again, if you haven't caught it, I do NOT water every day. OK?

 

[dontlockmeup]

Dude you came here to us for help. we are trying to help you by using the info that you gaves us. In your first post you said you were watering every 6-8 hours because the medium was drying up that fast. So if you wonder why we think you are watering everyday look in your own post. If Stitch came off a little rude in his last thread it's because it gets a little old telling someone what their problem is and they just keep refusing to accept the answer they are getting.

Stitch wasn't trying to say that your plants are rootbound from overwatering. overwatering doesn't cause your plants to become root bound by any means. If anything overwatering makes your roots puny. Roots grow in search of water. If roots are just saturated then they have no need to grow to look for more water. that is why you need to let them dry up a little to intice them to grow. Stitch was trying to say that we could understand you needing to water so much if the plants were rootbound. but your plants by no means appear to be rootbound. they appear to be overwatered.

I'm not bashing your experienced grower/helper but experience doesn't always make the best growers. I know several people that have been growing for 20+ years and they just don't have a clue. These people like to give all kinds of advice(most of it bad advice) because they think their years of experience makes them experts. Most people like this are impossible to talk to and have grow debates with because they know-it-all from the years of experience. Thats why their weed sucks and will never get any better. I've learned more in 4 years from wading through all the info here than they have learned in 20+ years of experience. I'm by no means claiming to be an expert, as a matter of fact I'm still trying to dial in my own garden. I've tried explaining to some of these guys that they are from the old school(pre-medical days) and now a days there is a lot more info out there and people doing things in a scientific mannern and recording the data. If you have smoked product from these experienced growers and were completely satisfied with it then go ahead and listen to them. If they have showed you nothing to proove their skills then there is probably a reason why. Just my two cents from my experience with "experienced" growers.

Just remember, you came here for help. We didn't go into your garden and just try to tell you what to do. show a little respect when a real experienced grower(Stitch) takes time outta his day to try and help you(the noob). Also try not to be a know-it-all and you will have better success in anything you do. when you get multiple replies telling you the same thing, maybe there is something to what people are trying to tell you.

Good Luck and peace be with you.

 

[Rinweed]

Originally Posted by dontlockmeup:
Dude you came here to us for help. we are trying to help you by using the info that you gaves us. In your first post you said you were watering every 6-8 hours because the medium was drying up that fast. So if you wonder why we think you are watering everyday look in your own post. If Stitch came off a little rude in his last thread it's because it gets a little old telling someone what their problem is and they just keep refusing to accept the answer they are getting.

Originally Posted by Rinaun:
They may look overwatered because I flushed them yesterday. They had a ph of 7.8 which is now down to around 7.0 after 2-3 days. I'm probably off about my watering hours, but I'm almost positive I don't overwater considering the soil is dry every time I water, barely moist root level.

This was the first response. I'm pretty sure I made it clear that my original watering hours were off. I water every 2-3 days when the soil at the bottom is completelydry. I COULDN'T of made it much clearer but apparently I'm not listening. Also, if you get annoyed of talking to someone after what, 3 posts, take a Midol.

Originally Posted by dontlockmeup:
Stitch wasn't trying to say that your plants are rootbound from overwatering. overwatering doesn't cause your plants to become root bound by any means. If anything overwatering makes your roots puny. Roots grow in search of water. If roots are just saturated then they have no need to grow to look for more water. that is why you need to let them dry up a little to intice them to grow. Stitch was trying to say that we could understand you needing to water so much if the plants were rootbound. but your plants by no means appear to be rootbound. they appear to be overwatered.

We generally call that a clear answer right there. Thanks. I found stitch's explanation a bit confusing since it was in a bit of slang.

Originally posted by dontlockmeup:
I'm not bashing your experienced grower/helper but experience doesn't always make the best growers. I know several people that have been growing for 20+ years and they just don't have a clue. These people like to give all kinds of advice(most of it bad advice) because they think their years of experience makes them experts. Most people like this are impossible to talk to and have grow debates with because they know-it-all from the years of experience. Thats why their weed sucks and will never get any better. I've learned more in 4 years from wading through all the info here than they have learned in 20+ years of experience. I'm by no means claiming to be an expert, as a matter of fact I'm still trying to dial in my own garden. I've tried explaining to some of these guys that they are from the old school(pre-medical days) and now a days there is a lot more info out there and people doing things in a scientific mannern and recording the data. If you have smoked product from these experienced growers and were completely satisfied with it then go ahead and listen to them. If they have showed you nothing to prove their skills then there is probably a reason why. Just my two cents from my experience with "experienced" growers.

I think this basically sums up another issue right here as well. My first conclusion was a nitrogen deficiency, but I was told by my source it was heat related, at 75 degrees, which I knew is bs.

Originally Posted by dontlockmeup:
Just remember, you came here for help. We didn't go into your garden and just try to tell you what to do. show a little respect when a real experienced grower(Stitch) takes time outta his day to try and help you(the noob). Also try not to be a know-it-all and you will have better success in anything you do. when you get multiple replies telling you the same thing, maybe there is something to what people are trying to tell you.

I'm sure stitch knows what he's talking about 100% and he could and probably is right, but by just saying its wrong and NOT exactly being clear on a solution, he has done me little to no use other than guessing on a cause. Simple "not watering" them is not a long term solution I was looking for. The soil is dry, THOROUGHLY, and the plants are still pale (taking some time to react). Stitch gave me advice based on the original pictures (20-21st), and since then the scenario has changed. Hence the reason I figured an pic update would clear all this mess up. The respect is another thing. I gave plenty of respect. If you want respect, act mature.

I realize in my first post after the transplant I should of told you guys I stopped watering every day by recommendation by stitch, so maybe that also caused some confusion. None the less, thanks for the answers to the question, peace all.

-Rinweed

 

[MynameStitch]

Alright calm down rin, dontlockmeup sees what a lot of newer growers do around here, they ask for help and then tend to be bullheaded about it; he means well, please don't go after him; if you have been on here for some time you will notice what he is trying to say is very true, please don't go back and flame him, because he means very well; he is not being mean, just trying to get you to see the point, which now you have.

Ya, if you post updated pics that would help clear up a lot of confusion; depending on the pot size they are in and the amount of water 2-3 days could still be a little too much watering, BUT since you said the bottom's were dry.... that is a different story; what where they in for you to test the bottom soil or feel it enough to where you could tell it was dry?

 

[Rinweed]

Alright calm down rin, dontlockmeup sees what a lot of newer growers do around here, they ask for help and then tend to be bullheaded about it; he means well, please don't go after him; if you have been on here for some time you will notice what he is trying to say is very true, please don't go back and flame him, because he means very well; he is not being mean, just trying to get you to see the point, which now you have.

Ya, if you post updated pics that would help clear up a lot of confusion; depending on the pot size they are in and the amount of water 2-3 days could still be a little too much watering, BUT since you said the bottom's were dry.... that is a different story; what where they in for you to test the bottom soil or feel it enough to where you could tell it was dry?

I was never mad or trying to flame dontlockmeup, he helped a bunch. You helped, I just didn't understand it in the form you put it in .
Dixie cups for the small ones. I first used a moist meter which came up 2 on scale, but I don't trust those things. So then I just poked around on the bottom via the metal rod on moistmeter and you can easily tell the soil is barely moist below. Just enough to keep the soil from falling apart. I have a heatmat under it with foam now to try to evap some water, and help my seedlings start. I'd love to update the pics but I need a camera and to install some programs, no one likes huge images

Semi-crappy camcorder shots later tonight hopefully.

 

[dontlockmeup]

Sorry if I came off like a dick man. I don't see how my post was immature though. I just broke it down for you. I didn't get that annoyed after three post but I'm sure that Stitch goes through this all the time though and if I were him I would get tired of it. P.S. if I was really annoyed I wouldn't take a midol. I've got a better product called homegrown marijuana that I would resort to.

Every 2-3 days is still too much water if you just transplanted into larger pots. Like I said earlier, when I have to water every two to three days it means my roots have grown enough and it's time for a transplant. It takes my plants 7-10 days to soak up all the water after a transplant, the time between waterings gets shorter every watering after that. I might have to water 5-7 days after my second watering. then 2-3 days. once I'm back to 2-3 days it's time to transplant and the cycle starts all over. Sorry we can't just give you an easy answer like water 2 cups per gallon of soil every 4 days. It just doesn't work that way. You can use what I'm telling you as a generic guide but don't stick to it word for word you just have to observe what is going on in your garden and react at the right time.

You are worried about them drying out too much and dying. Don't be. I let my dixie cups dry up so much that it feels like there is nothing in them at all when I pick them up. If it helps you to tell when the soil is dry wait for your plants to droop. I personally think it is a lot better to have them droop a little before watering than to keep them soaked by overwatering them. after a while you will be able to notice how your plants are responding to there soil and you will be able to ditect the slightest signs of drooping and be able to water them before they actually droop. I have been so busy before that I neglected some of my smaller cuttings, by the time I got to them some of the tops were laying in the soil. I mean they looked soft and limp and practicaly dead. I gave em some water and with in an hour they popped back up. I'm sure it wasn't the best thing for them but I just want you to understand that your plants wont die right away from their soil drying up. They will however die if you continuesly water them when they are not ready for more water.

By the way you are not the first noob to overwater their plants. I was the stupid noob killing my plants with too much water at one time too. Don't feel bad about it. just accept what you've been doing and you'll be able to fix the problem. You'll get through this with the help available on this site, and soon enough you'll be the guy that your "experienced" buddies will be asking "how did you grow such great pot?".

 

[Rinweed]

You didn't come off as a dick in either posts, I was referring to ANYONE who can't take 3 posts on the internet. You helped me understand stitch's concept, I don't know where everyone got the idea I was mad at you lol. and I was never bullheaded on the water, I just had someone else telling me otherwise and I figured experience would help. First he told me it was heat related, then light related, and now he says the Supersoil is bad, which I know it isn't. Two sets of advices is not always the best especially when you're new