First grow, running into problems

[Sleight]

Hello all ! this is an awesome forum you have here, long time reader first time poster
Was a little hesitant to post (Paranoia is a bitch) but due to recent happening, i feel it's my responsibility to consult with you

I'll cut to the chase -
I've hypotheticaly grown two Unknows plants for 49 days now.
First 40 days i Veged and they are both 9 days into flowering at 12/12 under a 250w hps, fed them with bio-bizz "Fish-Mix"

There are currently 3 problems i'd like to ask you about.

One, being the most serious :
Yesterday when i checked on them i notice the Hps has somehow fallen 20cm and the top of my babies is totally burned
I'm killing my self over it and hoping it will be ok.
Iv'e cut one plants extremly burnt top and Left a slightly less burnt but equally dead top on the other plant, (which on the same day i found out was female ) - Did i do ok ? I am now watering with pure water no nutes at all.
also, I am not sure if to keep the light on 12/12 or go back to 18/6 seeing as iv'e really shocked both of them - especially the one that i cut the top of.

Second problem Is the extreme smell that is coming out of my room (and it is very likely to get alot worse) does any one has any good methods against that ?

Third problem is that I fear my pot is too small to flower in.
That you will be able to tell from the pictures i'll upload in a few hours, please advice.

I am sorry for the long read, I had those questions running through my head for a really long time !

Thank you very much in advance
and keep that spliff lit

 

[stretchpuppy]

Welcome mang. You're in the right place... don't be paranoid of the search button either.

For the burnt tops, cut em and let them finish. 9 days into flowering is just soon enough. I've had it happen and after trimming the crispy stuff off the plant finished okay.

What sized pots? You don't have a huge footprint with the 250w so keep that into consideration. Again, at 9 days I'd get the transplant done before you're any further into flower. 1.5-2 gal pots should work good here...

What are the details of your grow? Are they in a closet? You need a carbon scrubber venting out of your grow room. Or an electronic thingy like the VaporTek.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11927&highlight=odor+control

 

[Sleight]

Thanks for your reply stretch !
Will do some reading on those odor devices but I guess I forgot to mention I'm on a Very(!) low budget so I was just looking for some home made stuff (sure that's in there too, i'll keep reading ) ..

Also, I guess I forgot to mention that it is a closet grow,
2 plants inside a roughly 40cmx40cm base and tall enough..
they are having wind blown at them by a 4" vent.
Now, I still haven't drilled a round hole in my closet so i keep it 1/4 open so actually the hot air is coming out of the gap.

It's getting very crowded and smelly in there so I'm gonna drill that hole in the next few days;
Closing the door will help with the odor problem ...right?

Not sure how to tell how many galons my pots are, Gonna post more pics of them later with a common item next to them

Here are some bad quality pictures :

 

[Don Chocolate]

They're lookin' good. Just listen to stretchpuppy and you'll be ok. And don't beat yourself up over the burnt tops. Shit happens and there ain't nothing you can do about it now. Everything will turn out fine. After all, no grow is without its problems...

edit... See if you can get a pic or two with the entire pot in the pic.

 

[Guest]

Those look like they'll be just fine. You essentially just topped them in a more painful way

Hopefully they wont be stressed much and stay F.

And if that pot isnt deep (doesnt look it) you are likely rootbound already.

For smell - buy some onagel now, but start planning on cutting and ducting your op.

I can stand 6" from my plants and not smell a THING.

 

[captainfrag]

At most grocery stores they have small fans for about $20 that have a carbon filter attached to them meant to kill odors. I'm using one now and think that it's pretty effective for the cost and size.

 

[sproutco]

Your getting some yellow leaves on the bottom. You will want to keep your soil ph 6 or slightly lower in the soil and your fish mix water. I am not sure what is in your soil but adding some dolomite lime before you pot the plants would supply calcium and magnesium. Unless added to the soil before planting, your fish mix should include nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, sulfur, iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum plus calcium and magnesium if no dol. lime was used. Fish mix may be high in nitrogen and lower in phosphorus and potassium. I would aim for more of a balanced fertilizer with the ratio of nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium being 1:1:1 or 2:1:2. Topping will just cause side buds to form stronger. I don't think your plant is too rootbound but its hard to tell...you will just have to water and fertilize more often in the future if they become rootbound. You don't need to stop fertilizing just because it got burned. I sure you will get something from it.

 

[Sleight]

Thanks for the replies guys ! very happy to be a part of this

jumblyjoe thats very impressive and I'm happy to hear thats doable, i'll check out your setup and do alot more reading so i can seal that closet shut and be stink-free.

captain - i'll make sure to check those out

and sproutco, thanks for the tips - I am planning to get to the plants shop this week-end and pick up some nutes. (I understand the yellow leafs are mag. def and also I guess need blooming nutes so I'm thinkning bio-bloom and another balanced one - like you said.

about them becoming rootbound - telling by these recent pictures, Is it too late ? is it possible to re-plant them in a bigger pot for more yield/quality ?

This is the female next to my fish mix


... And next to a coke bottle



This is her top



... And it's off...


Now the others sex is not showing yet and I think It is very stressed.
I had to tie her extemsions to the middle stick so they dont fall :




And this is her top which I had cut off at the same day of the accident..




Now this is my closet (Getting way to crowded I think) :







Thank you all very much ! I really appritiate it !

Build Bongs not Bombs

 

[yes_i_cannabis]

dude..wouldn't worry too much about the plants..i'd be more worried about how ya light dropping 20cm...if ya read up a bit you'll see that one of the main reasons dudes get busted is accidental fires...fire in ya grow is ya main concern..well it is for me anyway..im fukkin heaps paranoid about it..ihave a plastic tent room setup and i have shit stappled and taped down evrywhere to make sure shit can't fall on the lights...if your light dropped, id be makin sure its stuck to the roof with a backup ..i use 2 screw in hooks where its only needs one..the other is a backup..anyway..ya plants look like they are cool..no problems form the burn...
good luck...be safe man

 

[Sleight]

Point well taken yes i , thanks alot rasta

 

[Sleight]

Bad Bad day...
I am 99% sure I am seeing bananas on #1 who was a cirtain female, will post pics
Right now I'm super bummed..
May be there is a chance #2 will be F though.
question - did i shock them badly enough to not show sex for a long while now ?
Should I change light circle or maybe repot now ?

Thanks

 

[yes_i_cannabis]

nah man...veg em up for a while longer..let em get over the stress..then turn em..a;though they didnt seem to get much of a shock reactipn from the burn..but, vegin is a safe way to relax em again..mabye get a bit more foliage on there too...above all, secure that light..
cheers dude

 

[Sleight]

news news

news news

Update time !

Last night Iv'e noticed my #1 Has gone hermie and there was not one hair but tons of mini bananas and male pre flowers.
Iv'e really fuct her up and I feel bad but I'll just learn from it.

Any way, as I have mentioned It was getting very crowded in thier closet and the high temp and odor problems started to be real.
so..
Last pic, RIP !


err




Those were the bad news,
Good news is that Iv'e found a tiny little hair on #2 !!



A new hope !!
Can you tell me anything judging by the shape of the leaf ? strain or family ?

She is back to 18/6 for a day or two to relax, Thanks yes I
And I'm picking up new nutes In 2 days, some more Fish mix for now.

 

[Sleight]

This is the time to plan,
I need to seal my cabinet shut but still have good air flow inside, I will then take care of the odor using DIY carbon gizmos..

As I see it , I have two ways to have my setup , IE



Sorry for paint skills but it will do I think, I'll explain :

The way the closet is painted, is the way it is, I can't take off those shelves as they are almost one piece glued shut to the rest.

I have one 6" vent ( strong and quiet )
and a couple of small pc fans I picked up at the local radio shack.
Also I have a small fan 6" table fan

Option 1 :
Make a round hole at the lower part of the back of the closet, blowing wind on the stems basiclly. and 2 more small holes with 2 PC fans blowing out.

Option 2 :
Have my regular table fan blow on the HPS and tops of the lovely mrs. #2
While my 6" Vent is blowing out from behind the lamp.


Please advice, what option will be more effective if my goal is too seal it shut?

Also, Check out my pot - If she is rootbound and I can do something about it I would love to know.

Thanks!

one love

 

[sproutco]

You don't put a flowering plant into 18/6 to relax for a few days. It is possible you will cause the female to freak out and go hermie.

 

[Sleight]

sproutco : Your post could not have come at a better time,
exactly 10 minutes before the lights turn on early for the first time.
Thanks alot !!

She is still 12/12 Then.

 

[Getawaymonkey!]

Update time !


She is back to 18/6 for a day or two to relax......

Relax?

Why would it need to relax??

 

[Sleight]

nah man...veg em up for a while longer..let em get over the stress..then turn em..a;though they didnt seem to get much of a shock reactipn from the burn..but, vegin is a safe way to relax em again..

I'm new at this as you can see so I took those words the wrong way.
Anyway no harm done !

I'm worried about my pot size, I am sure my girl is root bound but is it too late to transplant ??

also a reply on the closet idea since I need to get it done with and I don't wanna regret the whole design !

Will keep reading though - I'm sure I am not the only one with those problems..

big thanks
sleight

 

[Sleight]

One more question if I may

Is it possible to take a clone at this stage ? (13 days into flowering while in day 9 they got burnt and shocked)

I am starting to see pestils but not too many.

 

[sproutco]

Closet layout looks good. Don't have a tornado blowing directly on the plants. I don't think I would repot. You will just have to maybe water/fertilize more often. You can take a clone now but it will be slow to return to vegetative growth. Use a rooting hormone and high humidity. I use a 10 gallon fish tank from walmart. $10. Put clones in soil in small pots. Spray clones and walls of the f.tank with water. Cover with clear plastic wrap. Put a 2 bulb 2' shoplight florescent over it. Use 24 hour light so no timer needed.