few questions on strains from ace

[moon tune]

How many seeds of a given landrace sativa strain are recommended to grow to find a really good pheno? 20-30? 50?

Obviously some or many get lucky with a 10 pack but realistically, at least for landrace genetics... I need an average number to give me high probability of some sick sh*t please.

As far as strain... please help me choose:

I'm looking for a creative, psychedelic, motivational high. A good favorite amongst the Ace sativa breeders?

I was thinking african strains (malawi or zamaldica and something thai... but there aren't any thai crosses available at the moment unless it's through a haze it seems.

Does ACE carry any Columbian landrace or plans in the future?

Thank you in advance.

 

[moon tune]

Just to add, I don't mind bag appeal or yield, and it can have all the time it needs to finish.

Simply looking for the best headsmoke for personal use only.


maybe forget the main strains and go with a bunch of tropical mix packs?

 

[Dropped Cat]

I had two keepers from a five pack of freebies, Zamaldelica.

If you plan on crossing to preserve, then start with as many as you can
grow in your situation.

 

[nksv]

I got some keepers from a 5 pack also. Just received a 10 pack the other day. Prob my fav strain to grow and smoke.

 

[moon tune]

Thanks dropped cat and nksv.

I guess F2's are more the thing you grow 50+ from perhaps.

I love the idea of preserving landrace sativa strains so my hats off to Ace breeders. It's really the only smoke that's good/fun and helps with my work. As of right now I can't do such a thing in my present situation, but I am willing to grow 20-30 to find the best if need be. If I can find something really good in a 5-10 that's better.

I get a lot of these Kush varieties and I have to say, it doesn't do anything for me like some old haze smoke I used to get. Kush is what's popular now where I am, but I guess everyone wants to be sedated... it sure isn't "meds" for the majority. But hey, to each their own. As for me, I am never looking to be stoned sitting on a chair not wanting to do anything. Looking for thought provoking smoke that has no ceiling and definitely more psychedelic.

Are you guys recommending the zamaldelica for the kind of smoke I'm after? creative, psychedelic, motivational high?

Love to hear from dubi because I'm pretty sure he's tried the best of them all.

Thanks.

 

[moon tune]

I have heard from people that grew Ace panama and congo and these (from what I'm told) are not the ones for me, although good smoke. Not sure if it was the red pheno on panama though.

 

[moon tune]

I see cannabiogen has the Mangobiche standard Columbian (almost out of stock at ace), and the Punto Rojo - out of stock... these sound perfect, anyone run these?

will they be available in 2016/17?

 

[Baron Greenback]

I would say you'll be able to find at least one plant you want to keep per pack from Ace. the standard is consisitently high, the final product is as good as anything out there.
Malawi will knock you backwards, the Zamaldelica is a little more psychedelic. Even stuff like the Nepal Jam and Orient Express are really nice, quick flowering with a sativa effect.
Kali China is well worth exploring too, albeit not a landrace.
Just go through the catalogue and try a load out, you definitely won't be disappointed.

 

[nksv]

For me it has been. Really wonderful. Bit shroomy. Really euphoric. I'm really wanting to make edibles with her! That will be next level! I enjoyed orient express. I am current doing a seed run: zamaldelica male with OE and a sam skunkman haze that's a mango powerhouse. With the 10 pack i hope to have zamaldelicas for the rest of my life! Hah
Yeah man, preserve the good genes!

 

[moon tune]

I would say you'll be able to find at least one plant you want to keep per pack from Ace. the standard is consisitently high, the final product is as good as anything out there.
Malawi will knock you backwards, the Zamaldelica is a little more psychedelic. Even stuff like the Nepal Jam and Orient Express are really nice, quick flowering with a sativa effect.
Kali China is well worth exploring too, albeit not a landrace.
Just go through the catalogue and try a load out, you definitely won't be disappointed.

Thanks Baron, appreciate it.

Yeah well in the end I'm going to have to run them myself and see of course, but looking through the catalog I want to try them all lol, which is why I ask the good folks here to help narrow it down to a few strains along the lines of what I'm seeking.

Being pure sativa... it will take awhile and that's fine, but I'd rather not be disappointed with something giving me too much of a stoney effect or being too light, because when I say I don't want to get stoned, I don't mean I don't want to get extremely high

I don't have a problem with anything that people call racey or paranoia inducing... that's what I like, an up motivational effect, but something that has a clear mental effect, as in, not foggy or ADD type of thing, but causes the thoughts to flow and feeling real nice and happy.

Yeah, I guess I'm picky...

 

[moon tune]

For me it has been. Really wonderful. Bit shroomy. Really euphoric. I'm really wanting to make edibles with her! That will be next level! I enjoyed orient express. I am current doing a seed run: zamaldelica male with OE and a sam skunkman haze that's a mango powerhouse. With the 10 pack i hope to have zamaldelicas for the rest of my life! Hah
Yeah man, preserve the good genes!

Shroomy really? wow I must try this... I drop LSD occasionally and love shrooms the most so yes that's kind of what I am seeking yet of course a little lighter lol you know... something I can smoke all the time and be active and introspective, definitely euphoric and happy.

something for musicians and active people, but with the psychedelic power if smoking half/full joint or so.

 

[nksv]

yeah man, i had a couple of moments that were shroomy for me. Not as epic as the real deal but there was magic, for sure. Of course state of mind plays a big part...I had had a pretty heavy duty 'shamanic dose' of shrooms fairly recently so I do try to 'tune in', that's if i remember to! I admit that I try to overdo her a bit sometimes as I get caught up in the vibe and end up crashing out! haha but man, the next day I feel like I've had an astral carwash!

I've got a panama to pop to, I look forward to that also.

 

[Baron Greenback]

Definitely try the Old Timer's Haze then, you might also enjoy the Haze x Kali China - Golden Tiger does have some moments of hold on tight sativa terror too
I do have big Ace love, dubi is a good guy and the service there is second to none. I don't think you'll come across anything you won't like.
I would be tempted to do a few of their shorter flowering ones along with the epic length flowering varieties - that way, you'll hve something nice to be smoing while you wait for the absolutely pure varieties to finish.
Happy hunting

 

[moon tune]

haha nice nksv... sounds great it's a definite must have. I have heard great thinks of zamaldelica and malawi so of course they're on the list for sure and you just solidified the spot.

When I take half the common dose of shrooms or acid, THAT's the perfect place to be for me and I was always thinking a great pure sativa done right may be very close to that feeling though of course not as psychedelic but I never had any crazy crazy visuals on them, but very nice faint ones like colors and small movements of trees/grass that kind of thing. My senses especially hearing is always elevated and that I love too.

You're right, frame of mind and location is huge while "tripping" hard on hallucinogenics, but when you take a micro dose to half a normal dose, I feel very euphoric and function above normal doing almost everything, but what I like most is I feel great and my mind is so clear and flowing. I don't do it often anymore, but I'm a fairly heavy smoker, but never getting the chance to get pure sativa strains, so I'm not sure exactly the effects of each or how different they are from one another really. They say it all came from the Hindu Kush mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Not sure how true this is, but it had to initially start somewhere, just like all vegetables came from cabbage.

For instance I've heard some south american sativa strains got there by direct trade lines with Africa back in the day. Here's the quote:

The 'Columbian Black' is a pure Sativa genotype typical of equatorial latitudes, the 'Black' was very likely was brought to Colombia by African slaves. Evidence for this origin is suggested by the presence of a distinctive anise/black licorice flavour detected in the smoke of its blackish green to pure black flowers.

Other similarities to African genotypes include a relatively mild body effect and a more pronounced clear, positive mental stimulation that renders the user extremely happy within the moment.

As an adaptation to an equatorial environment the Black matures its buds in several harvest 'windows' with the earliest from our test grow coming in at 15 weeks, the next coming 5-6 weeks later.

some more interesting facts, one is the common direction of growing long stretchy sativas indoors is to keep them in small pots until after stretch. Something is funny to me about that recommendation as stressing the roots can't be a good thing. Check this quote...

A smaller pot size that 'rootbinds' the plant can help shorten the bloom time but if used the gardener should realize this as a stress vector that could encourage a hermaphroditic response in a proportion of plants. This is a first generation Tropical Sativa and should be grown with sympathy.

They recommend taking the light back to 10/14 instead.

 

[moon tune]

Definitely try the Old Timer's Haze then, you might also enjoy the Haze x Kali China - Golden Tiger does have some moments of hold on tight sativa terror too
I do have big Ace love, dubi is a good guy and the service there is second to none. I don't think you'll come across anything you won't like.
I would be tempted to do a few of their shorter flowering ones along with the epic length flowering varieties - that way, you'll hve something nice to be smoing while you wait for the absolutely pure varieties to finish.
Happy hunting

Yes baron, good call. Definitively going for the oltimer's haze as a freebie For the shorter flowering, slightly stoney effect for late night, I was going to try the Malawi x P.C.K cross and maybe Kali China as well.

Variety is important cause I don't think smoking the same thing all the time is great, take a break try something else after the receptors are burned out on one. That's why I never buy too much of one variety around here either.

Thanks you guys have been great help.

 

[moon tune]

I'd like to add that it's very hard for me to trust any breeders after I know a lot of them are full of sh*t. I do have faith in Ace and dubi seems like a nice guy and he has this forum where people grow out the strains and report back and he asnwers a lot of questions, I'm sure he's a busy guy.

B*dhi for example claims he goes to all these places to get his genetics but a very known fellow in the organic scene has brought to light he is full of shit for sure on some of them, maybe not all. BUT, many people grow out Bodhi's stuff and claim it's great but the prices are high for me. I like how Ace keeps it true to the landraces with great amount of info on each. Still waiting to hear his opinion/recommendation.

 

[nksv]

Interesting you mention Bodhi, I've just started some. I did tons of research before growing. My reason was purely for 'shamanic' uses and ACE won my heart from other peoples experience. I came across Bodhi reviews, they sounded good but recently I was wondering why I was bothering. I was getting caught up in the marketing?

Dubi is great, the seeds are so affordable and top notch - was I falling for all the poetry of the strain descriptions of Bodhi? I have no idea but some of them did sound great and there were a lot of good smoke reports. I pretty new to it all and I just don;t get why seed banks list hermie femmed seeds as being their top sellers. Why the hell aren't Zamaldelica on the top ten at herbies etc? haha

The crew on the ace thread are so awesome to, tons of good advice and lots of folk after 'the magic'.

 

[Baron Greenback]

I really like the Kali China (and crosses), I'd never grown the same variety twice before that and now it's on rotation for me.
The Malawi x PCK is absolutely lethal, not the highest thc count but really strong, really nice weed.
It might be worth just asking dubi or Luis (I assume they're different people ) about some of the hybrids they haven't got listed - Malawi x Panama is nice and there's probably others you could enquire about.
If you can wait, there's some Ethiopian strain being released soon as well as one from Honduras too.

 

[moon tune]

Interesting you mention Bodhi, I've just started some. I did tons of research before growing. My reason was purely for 'shamanic' uses and ACE won my heart from other peoples experience. I came across Bodhi reviews, they sounded good but recently I was wondering why I was bothering. I was getting caught up in the marketing?

Dubi is great, the seeds are so affordable and top notch - was I falling for all the poetry of the strain descriptions of Bodhi? I have no idea but some of them did sound great and there were a lot of good smoke reports. I pretty new to it all and I just don;t get why seed banks list hermie femmed seeds as being their top sellers. Why the hell aren't Zamaldelica on the top ten at herbies etc? haha

The crew on the ace thread are so awesome to, tons of good advice and lots of folk after 'the magic'.

It really easy to buy into the hype, the masses are naive and fall for this easily, especially stoners I'd assume. Bodhi seems like a nice guy (seen the adam dunn show) and I don't mean to sh*t on his name, I'm not trying to do that. From what I know people like the genetics and you'll probably get some nice smoke.

I was using him as an example of these breeders saying they are going to these places to get their landrace genetics when they would probably be killed, especially that guy, just look at him and imagine that... lol. Going to Thailand or Columbia to get your genetics? I don't buy that sh*t for a second, you'd be killed man. Bodhi was talking about getting them from yogis and baba's and all this, highly unlikely man but it's all speculation on my part I must warn.

Yes, Ace's prices are right. $100+ dollars US for a 5-10 pack is absolute rape I feel.

 

[akirabull]

hallo moon tune, i read from dubis's post you can find a thai pheno, with characteristic you are looking for, inside zamadelicia regular pack . now i'm running a feminized pack and i notice a strong influence from malawi in most of them but also i found two taller and fruiter phenos
i can't say from wich part came from. actually i'm running panama and purple haze x malawi and are all interesting beautiful plants. i have also a new fem pack of panama haze and i ask my self several times in this month why i didn't open it too ,looking how grows panamas i think is another great choice. green phenos are usually where to find creative, psychedelic, motivational high..and from a bigger number of plant you can see better the phenotypes expression inside the same family hope helps a little . i think we are walking on the same road