Fertilizers

[Getawaymonkey!]

Do you not have a walmart there?
They would carry pretty much everything for an organic grow

 

[Guest]

@ HempKat........Thanx for spending time to answer my question.......much appreciated.....

@ Gromer......kid my ass...!!....30+ over here.....but no offence , i know u mean well.....thanx bud
one word.....Africa..!.....i suppose i,l find the mentioned brands if i look hard enough.....Yeah......OK , quality doesnt come cheap.......

for me its a balance between being resourcefull , Keeping it simple , and the money i spend shouldnt me more what i would have spent at the dealers
also
I think i got a wider nute/fert intrest.....just curious to understand the science about it....
more like a doctor would recomend vitamin and mineral doses...
ex....500mg vitamin C , (X) mg B12 , (X) mg calsium , zink , iron....ect,ect

btw........i found the BIZZ range close to me......
and i saw loads earhtworm castings on the lawn.......i might just start a worm farm

???......how do u get them (worms)out of the ground..????
the landlord wont be impressed if i dig up the yard....and i wouldn wanna risk chopping them in half....
I think.....loads of water and some kind of buzzer will get them out there..

Thanx for the info...once again

 

[HempKat]

@ HempKat........Thanx for spending time to answer my question.......much appreciated.....

@ Gromer......kid my ass...!!....30+ over here.....but no offence , i know u mean well.....thanx bud
one word.....Africa..!.....i suppose i,l find the mentioned brands if i look hard enough.....Yeah......OK , quality doesnt come cheap.......

for me its a balance between being resourcefull , Keeping it simple , and the money i spend shouldnt me more what i would have spent at the dealers
also
I think i got a wider nute/fert intrest.....just curious to understand the science about it....
more like a doctor would recomend vitamin and mineral doses...
ex....500mg vitamin C , (X) mg B12 , (X) mg calsium , zink , iron....ect,ect

btw........i found the BIZZ range close to me......
and i saw loads earhtworm castings on the lawn.......i might just start a worm farm

???......how do u get them (worms)out of the ground..????
the landlord wont be impressed if i dig up the yard....and i wouldn wanna risk chopping them in half....
I think.....loads of water and some kind of buzzer will get them out there..

Thanx for the info...once again

Water should do it. If you look around after a good rain while everything is still wet you'll see worms come out on to side walks and such. Worms would probably be out more regularly except there is something about their design that they don't survive long in the open when there isn't alot of moisture around. On a real hot day after a rain you might see some worms come out and then you look a few hours later after all the water has dried up and you're liable to find some worms that are drying up too.

Some people cultivate worms intentionally and I believe they use a special container that holds in the soil and the worms. I could be wrong though as I've never looked into the subject much.

As for what gromer said to you, well don't let the messenger spoil the message. Plus some of his facts are wrong. His main point though is right in that AN does formulate their products for use with marijuana and have tested them on marijuana. What he is wrong on though is what he said about Fox Farms. The only way Fox Farms will kill your plants is if you use too much of it, but that's true for any and all ferts. Fox Farms has been used and is still used by 1000's upon 1000's of marijuana growers with great results. I'm sure some have problems just as some have problems with each of the other popular choices. I bet if you examine each case carefully you'll find it was either something else that caused the problem or the grower over did things with the ferts. One of the biggest complaints I've heard against AN is that their directions on dosage and application have not always been the clearest and many new growers using it have problems and become dissatisfied with it. Now if that is true I'd say they've improved that because I've checked some to see if the directions were unclear and it seems fairly clear to me. Of course their other issue is price but they aren't alone on that score, almost all of the popular companies used by marijuana growers overcharge because they make people think you can't grow well without their products and since they charge thru the nose for it. Not just AN either but all of them except for brands like Miracle grow or Peter's and some others that don't depend on the marijuana growing community for their profits. Many folks buy into this crap too but really they are being swindled by companies who take advantage of the fact that marijuana is illegal to grow in most places. The fact of the matter is if you give the plant what it needs, no matter what company it comes from or if it just comes from natural things you can find around the planet then the plant will grow well. If marijuana was so difficult to grow and required the purest of pure ingredients to do well and fluorish then marijuana would not have survived evolution and be around today for us to even think about growing. Further all these great products all they do is take advantage of things that people have observed over time. Someone notices that plants do much better in one area then another, so they analyze the soil and nutrients available and find out why it does better, usually it's something like a particular area is rich in something like humic acids for example. So they start adding humic acid and sell it as something that will make your plants better. Thing is alot of this stuff has been known for decades even centuries by serious growers of things beyond just marijuana. Maybe they don't know it's humic acid that does the trick but they know adding the soil dug up from the ground where there once was a lush tropical rainforest years ago does well. Guess what, most of what we call humates is just the decayed remains of old rain forests. The dinosaurs gave us oil, the plants of that time gave us humates.

The companies that take all this stuff and repackage it as some miracle food for plants is capitalizing on the average marijuana grower's ignorance. Many marijuana growers are young people with little to no background in growing anything. Many of them are older folks with no experience growing anything other then the occasional petunia, lawn or tomato plant. For them these products can and do seem miraculous but if someone would show them the ropes with organics they would also feel a miracle was occurring. There are some growers of marijuana that know all this stuff though and most of them do not use pre-formulated products like the ones mentioned in this thread. They use raw organics such as guano and castings and meals. Now there are likely some experienced growers that use these things because they can afford to and they just got tired of working with raw organics as their are various things you have to do and factor in that aren't required of something you just add to water. They use it because they know it contains the right stuff and it makes their lives easier. If the companies making this stuff would lower their price and make it more available, more folks would use it as the work using raw organics would outweigh the costs of the pre-formulated product more, instead of it being the other way around.

So why don't they do this you may ask? Well mainly because if they were to expand into the general or overall gardening market they would have much greater competition and with companies established for far longer. It's easier and more profitable to stick to a more specific market charging higher prices, make the consumers believe their product is indespensible and attack the little competition they have in that specific market.

So you live in Africa eh? Well I have no clue as to what stores are available to you but if you have big chain stores like we have in the USA, Walmart, K-Mart, Home Depot, Lowes, etc., most of those have garden centers. You'll not find any of the fancy stuff like AN, Fox Farms, B'cuzz, PureBlend Pro, etc. You should however be able to find all the raw organic componants though to have a good grow. If you are new however this can be a difficult way to start. If you have to though then you have to, maybe the area you're in makes ordering via the internet less reliable or practical, maybe you don't own a credit card or have a paypal account? If that's the case then you don't have many choices. If that's not true and I were you then I would go ahead and try to find a decent product you feel comfortable with online to cover your needs for now and then over time learn more about the organic methods if you would rather not buy online, over time so that when you do go that route it'll be easier for you. One thing that was said which is certain, what you have now is not in the right concentrations and may not have all the right ingredients for growing marijuana well.

Another thing that I wanted to address is you point on the cost of growing verses the cost of buying. I don't know what the price of good weed is in Africa, here in the US it goes as high (no pun intended :smile as $600 an ounce in some cities. Most places are at least $300 to $400 per ounce. At those prices the cost for the nutrients used compared to the cost to buy the amount you yield off the streets is still way lower. If the street prices are similar in Africa for quality weed then there is no way even AN (thought by many to be the most expensive) will cost you more to grow weed then to buy it. With nothing special it should be relatively simple to get at least a pound of dried cured bud out of 10 plants grown indoors, I do it all the time. Let's say for the sake of discussion that the cost of one ounce is $300 on the street. A pound is 16 ounces or $300 x 16 = $4800 at most and this is if you bought every kind of AN product you might possibly use for 10 plants, there is no way AN should cost more then $1000. So you would see a return or profit of almost 4 times your investment. Now $1000 for AN products for 10 plants is an over exaggeration just to make the point it would take alot to make it more expensive then buying. More realistically a person growing 10 plants would spend around $300 or less depending on if they went with all the fancy additives on top of their base fertalizers.

 

[Guest]

wow man...what a post..!!

i,m definitly gonna look into the worm farm situation...
actauly.......i dont even have to farm......just scrape the poo of the ground...

about BioCanna, Advanced Nutrients, Bio Bizz, Earth Juice, and Foxfarm. yes shure i understand they tried and tested..
so any good grower would recomend it.......cause it works
I,m a bit of a DIY man myself , so i like to experiment here and there......its fun and intresting

IMO....you can grow weed just using soil , water and light....it,ll grow ,but not to its full potential...
on the other side of the coin(pun) u can spend $$$(time) on fancy ferts and equipment
and grow the best of the best..
its a just a personal choice and balance on how much time and effort you wanna spend at your grow...

basicly.....what u put in ,youll get out..
LOL yes......i cant realy say its more expencive to grow quality than to buy.....
well......in exreme cases yes , i could just drive to the homeland and buy in bulk , but its not the same
Its becoming a very interesting hobby , nothing more satisfying smoking your first grow-your-own .
YES.....no more missioning for weed and spending your hard earned cash

also.....i,m growing other fruit and vegetables aswell.....so the nutrient and fert quesions aint just for weed...
So its the age old question that drives ppl to try new things , learn , discover and understand how things work
Its the simple word......WHY...???

I,m just curios about the 'nutritional values' and how to aply them....

 

[Irie Islander]

Also, even if you get the smallest size of A.N, it will last more than one grow. So you you dont buy a new bottle everytime you gro. (and if you go for the ginormus ones then its basically a lifetime supply of nutes (personal gro, right?)

Im using dynagro w/ great results, but ive seen better w/ A.N. Just needed to suck it up and take the hit on shipping, dont care about the actual bottle price.

*Also someone said some sites offer free shipping, but that is only within the continent. Once you step outside, on the water shipping is all up to you*

 

[gromer]

Were all KIDS

Were all KIDS

Thirty plus as welland all kid here you shoulda taken it as a compliment.And I never said that FF will kill a plant my house plants love that garbage. I said i personally wouldnt use it to grow weed and then xpect somone to smoke it after but thats me Im the guy who smokes the top of the bowl and throws the rest away cus after the green is gone its useless.And AN IS THE SHIT plain and simple no hype no crappy ads got to me I used EVERY brand on the shelf and AN got me more yield flavor and most importantly THC for the money invested.Sure I spend 550 a run on nutes but a single plant from the garden covers that one more covers the light bill and the rest are mine.I guess if it was just me, my worm farm and some guano and Id be fine pulling down a lb a light but if you want 2+ well you know the rest...

 

[Guest]

yeah mon.........must say...i still feel like 21...

cool mate.....
I,ll take your advice and go the organic route.....just makes sence

I found the Bio-bizz range close to me......but i wouldnt mins to get my hands on the AN.....

Oh....i got a grow in my sig.....come have look sometime