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Feds reply to Cali Prop 19

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Attorney General Eric Holder played nice cop last year when he indicated the feds would go easy on medical marijuana use.

[/B] Rejecting Prop. 19 will likely mean a return to the present-day balancing act where clinics cater to the medically needy. That was what voters favored nearly 15 years ago, and it still makes sense.




Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/26/EDJ91G286A.DTL#ixzz13ikrhZma


Really? Looks like the feds have played Nice with us? As if this is just a tease of what they really can do? There isn't much they can do, except continue constant raids like this.
http://www.canorml.org/news/fedmmjcases.html#prison


Defendants in Federal Prison

Pending cases:

July 9, 2010 - Federal agents arrested 12 people in San Diego county who they said were connected to a large-scale pot dealer. That suspect, Joshua Hester, was arrested in West Hollywood. In court papers, agents said Hester, 29, distributed 3,000 pounds of marijuana he purchased from a major Los Angeles dealer in 2007 and 2008 and was the silent owner of the Downtown Kush Lounge in downtown San Diego and the Green Kross Collective in Mission Beach, co-owned by Joseph Nunes (see below). The other 11 people arrested in the case had varying involvement with Hester. Some are accused of being runners for him, one was a real estate agent accused of helping him buy property fraudulently, and others worked in the collectives. Source.

April 27, 2010 - Five gardens allegedly connected to the B&C Natural Things collective in Ridgecrest were raided by NCIS, CHP, Kern county sheriffs, Inyo and Cal City SWAT teams. Taken into custody were Erik Christopher Stacy (27), Robert Davis Dodson, Jr, Charles Lee Kisor, Charles Edward Klaus, and Geoffrey Edward Bliss. All are reportedly charged with cultivation of more than 1000 plants, the aggregate of the gardens. Each plant was labeled with a patient's name; the collective had 450 patients.

February 12, 2010 - Denver resident Chris Bartkowicz's medical marijuana garden was raided by the DEA the day after he was interviewed on a local television station. Bartkowicz, who allegedly had 120-224 plants, was charged in federal court on Feb. 16. Read more. UPDATE: Bartkowicz pleaded guilty on 10/20/2010 and is scheduled to be sentenced on January 28. The plea agreement called for a five-year prison sentence. Read more.

September 11, 2009 - James Stacy and Joseph Nunes faced federal charges after 30 people were arrested during a DEA-assisted raid of medical-marijuana collectives in the San Diego area. Stacy, 45, operated Movement in Action in Vista when an undercover San Diego County sheriff's detective posed as a patient and went to the cooperative in June. The warrant said Stacy was not following state law because he did not fit the definition of a caregiver who can provide medical marijuana to patients. Nunes operated the Green Kross Collective in San Diego, where police also made undercover purchases. Court records claim Nunes seemed to be profiting from the collective, which by state guidelines must be nonprofit. Nunes pleaded guilty in May 2010 and was sentenced to 1 year in prison and 3 years probation. Stacy's medical marijuana defense was denied in July 2010, causing a storm of protest by advocates.

Upper Lake, August 24, 2009 - Scott Feil and his wife Diane, along with Steven Swanson and Thomas Carter were raided and arrested by the DEA in a case stemming from Feil's former involvement with the UMCC medical cannabis dispensary in Los Angeles. Feil has been fighting a federal forfeiture case for several years and is facing a 5-10 year sentence. On September 1, 2010 Carter, 59, was arrested by agents with the Drug Enforcement Administration and taken into custody. The case has been continued to Jan. 27, 2011.

• Los Angeles, August 7, 2008. Charles Lynch was convicted on five counts of distributing marijuana and faced a minimum sentence of five years. Lynch operated Central Coast Compassionate Caregivers in Morro Bay in accord with local regulations and approval by city council. Lynch was convicted of selling to minors under 21, but all were either over 18, the legal age for medical marijuana in California, or else accompanied by parents. On March 23, 2009, U.S. District Court Judge George H. Wu postponed sentencing and asked prosecutors from the Justice Department for a written position on medical marijuana prosecutions in light of recent comments from AG Holder. On April 17, 2009, the US DOJ responded in a letter claiming the prosecution was consistent with DOJ policy. On June 11, 2009 Lynch was sentenced to one year plus one day in federal prison and four years' probation. More on Charles Lynch trial.

• Santa Barbara, August 26, 2008. A federal grand jury indicted John Seidenberg, 41, of Santa Ynez for growing two medical marijuana gardens for the Hortipharm collective. Seidenberg, who was originally arrested on state charges, had been preparing a Prop. 215 defense in state court, but he was turned over for federal prosecution by a Santa Barbara sheriff's deputy. Read more. UPDATE: In July 2010, Seidenberg was sentenced to 4 years of probation plus 18 months of GPS monitoring. His co-defendants all got probation in state cases.

• Orange County, Nov 1, 2007. DEA arrests Steele Smith, director of C-3 medical cannabis caregiver service. Indicted along with Theresa Smith, Alexander Valentine, and Dennis Lalonde on charges of cultivating 1,289 plants at various addresses. All but Theresa, who served five months, were in federal prison for nearly a year, including Valentine, a 21 year-old-patient with Elephant-man’s syndrome. All defendants face 10-year sentences. Trial has been continued to September 28, 2010 at the Ronald Reagan Bldg., Santa Ana Federal Courthouse. For the first time, a medical marijuana defense of sorts may be raised this federal case. Read more.

• Alameda County, Oct 30, 2007. DEA raids Compassionate Collective of Alameda County, arresting Abraham & Winslow Norton, on 23-count indictment. CCAC was one of three licensed clubs in Alameda County and operated as a legal non-profit coop. Government charges CCAC made $21.5 million in revenues in 2006; does not mention millions in payroll and sales taxes paid. Nortons charged with conpiracy to distribute over 100 kilos and numerous money-laundering offenses. UPDATE Feb. 27, 2009 - As A.G. Eric Holder announced his office would not be prosecuting medical marijuana providers, the Norton brothers were being arraigned along with two new defendants -- their father and the manager of the dispensary, Brian Everett. All are facing a mandatory minimum penalty of 15 - 20 years.

• Nevada County, Sept 11, 2007. Michael Lombardo, 49, arrested by DEA for growing medical marijuana for five patients at his home in Smartville. Lombardo, who has no prior record, charged with growing over 100 plants, but claims fewer were on his property. The government has also moved to forfeit Lombardo's home. (One of three marijuana busts referred to the DEA by the Nevada County Sheriff.)

• Chico, Oct 3, 2007. Federal prosecutors take over cultivation case of Gordon Rasmussen, 23, accused of growing 210 plants at home. Rasmussen says they were part of a lawful 8-person patient collective.

• Riverside County, July 17, 2007: Ronald Naulls arrested for operating Healing Nations Collective in Corona. The city had filed suit to have the store closed. Naulls' wife also arrested on state charges and their children put in protective custody on grounds that marijuana in their home posed a danger to them. On August 30, 2010 Naulls was sentenced to six month's home confinement and almost $15,000 restitution for tax evasion.

• Kern County, July 16, 2007. DEA raids Nature's Medicinal cannabis dispensary near Bakersfield, arresting two owners, David Chavez, Sr., 48 and David Chavez, Jr, 28, plus six employees: John Wyatt, 29, John Shanks, 59, Israel Cavazos, 34, Jonathon Chaptman, 28, Timothy Doolittle, 39, and Jennifer Brown, 34. Records indicated the facility made over $9.6 million in sales over a 9-month period. The facility had been operating in compliance with local regulations and was paying taxes. On 2/17/2009 Doolittle was sentenced to 30 months as a "minor player." He once faced 20 years.

• Hayward, Dec 12, 2006 - DEA & IRS raid Local Patients' Group, arrest owner Shon Squier, 34 and manager Valerie Herschel, 23, seize $2 million in assets. LPG had already agreed to shut its doors at the end of the month after having violated the city's limit on quantity of product on premises. Squier and Herschel charged with distribution, maintaining drug premises, and money laundering. In August 2010, Squier received a sentence of 30 months in prison.

• Sacramento - July 7, 2005. Louis Wayne Fowler, director of Alternative Specialities dispensary, charged by feds following raid by Sacramento County Sheriff that uncovered two indoor gardens with an alleged 800 plants. Sheriffs say Fowler had a criminal record for embezzlement and failed to file for a business license. Charged for manufacture of marijuana and illegal possession of weapons. Jumped bail - at large Sep. 2008.

• San Francisco - June 22, 2005. Feds raid 3 dispensaries and indict 21, mostly Asian-Americans, in what is described as a major organized crime operation. Three defendants, Enrique Chan, Richard Wong, and Thy Quang Nguyen, charged with sales of ecstasy; Wong and Phat Van Vuong charged with money laundering. Others include Phung Van Nguyen, director of first Asian-American medical cannabis dispensary; plus Bartholomew Alexis, Sergio Alvarez, Asa Barnla, Jay Chen, Minho Cho, Faisal Gowani, Chi Duc Hac, Darrick Hom, David Lee, Genaro Lopez, Brian Ly, Roselia Mendoza, Edward Park, Iris Tam, Edwin Toy, Vince Ming Wan. More details.

• El Dorado Co: Dr Mollie Fry & Dale Schafer. Operated medical marijuana clinic in Cool, California with 6000 patients; DEA raided Sep. 28, 2001; seized patient records. Indicted Jun 22, 2005 for marijuana found on premises. Convicted and sentenced to 5 years mandatory minimum for growing 100+ plants over three years (March 2008). On bail pending appeal.

In Prison :

• Los Angeles, May 27, 2008. DEA arrests Virgil Grant, owner of six LA-area dispensaries. Grant indicted on charges of drug conspiracy, money laundering, and operating a drug-related premises within 1,000 feet from a school. Also indicted: Grant's wife Pshyra plus Stanley Jerome Cole, an employee accused of selling marijuana to an undercover agent. DEA began investigating Grant following an accident in which a truck driven by Jeremy White killed a driver and paralyzed a CHP officer. White had a quantity of edibles obtained from Grant's facility in Compton and confessed to being DUI on marijuana. He was sentenced to six years in prison on March 22, 2010. Read more.

• Chico. - Bryan Epis convicted by federal jury July 2002 cultivating 457 plants for Chico cannabis collective; arrested August 1997; sentenced to 10-year mandatory minimum Oct. 7, 2002. Released on bail August 9, 2004. In May 2009, in an unpublished opinion, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals reaffirmed Epis's 10-year mandatory minimum without holding a hearing. The panel included Judge Jay Bybee, recently indicted as an international war criminal by Spain for having authored the DOJ's notorious torture memos. See a MoveOn.org petition to impeach Judge Bybee. UPDATE: On February 22, 2010 Judge Damrell ordered Epis back to prison to serve the remainder of his 10-year mandatory minimum sentence. Download a petition to release Bryan.

• Lake Co. - DEA raids Eddy Lepp's medicinal gardens Aug. 18th, 2004. Over 32,000 plants grown in public view along highway. Lepp says plants belonged to 2,000 - 3,000 patient shareholders. Lepp arrested and released on bail pending trial on marijuana charges with possible sentence of 12 years to life. 13 others arrested with Lepp but not charged. Feb 16, 2005: Lepp re-arrested along with Daniel Barnes after allegedly selling one pound of marijuana to DEA agents, who claim they did not mention medical purposes. Several hundred clones taken. Sept 2, 2008: Lepp found guilty by a federal jury on one count of conspiracy to distribute or to possess with the intent to distribute, and another count for manufacture or possession with the intent to distribute. With regard to both counts, jurors made the finding that the offenses involved at least a thousand marijuana plants, punishable by 10-year mandatory minimum. Court rejected Lepp's claim of constitutional protection for religious and medical use. On May 18, 2009 Lepp was sentenced to 10 years and surrendered July 6 for incarceration. Write Eddy at:

Charles Edward Lepp #90157-011
Federal Correctional Institution
3600 Guard Road
Lompoc, CA. 93436

• Modesto, Sep 27th 2006 - DEA raids California Healthcare Collective, a medical marijuana dispensary which had been operating and paying taxes for more than a year. Proprietors Ricardo Montes, 26, and Luke Scarmazzo, 26, found guilty of operating a continuing criminal enterprise.(May 08). On learning that the offense had a mandatory 20-year minimum sentence, two jurors filed declarations with U.S. District Court in Fresno recanting their verdict, and lawyers are seeking a retrial (Sept. 08). Scarmazzo sentenced to 21 years and 10 months and Montes to 20 years (Nov 08). Two other defendants, Bradley Wickliffe, 28, and Brad Heinmiller, 32, pled guilty and sentenced to 100 hours community service plus two years probation. Charges against Stephen J. DeMattos, 24, were dropped (Sep 07). Four other defendants, Jose Malagon, 33; Antonio Malagon, 28; Monica Valencia, 25, and Lucky Jamal Boissiere, 26 pled guilty April, 2008. Valencia was sentenced to 366 days on August 20.

• LA, July 17, 2007. Larry Kristich and James Carberry indicted for having operated a chain of medical marijuana dispensaries known as "Compassionate Caregivers." The chain had outlets in Oakland, West Hollywood, Ukiah, Bakersfield, San Francisco San Diego and Alameda County, before being forced to close following a bust of their West Hollywood "Yellow House" in 2005. The indictment charges that Compassionate Caregivers made over $95 million in sales. Also indicted: James Ealy on money laundering charges. Ealy pled guilty to misdemeanor possession and sentenced to 1,000 hours community service (April 28, 2008). Carberry sentenced to 5 years probation 4/30/08. Kristich sentenced on 2/3/09 to 5 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.

• Tehama Co. - David Dean Davidson, 52, and Cynthia Barcelo Blake, 53, indicted by federal grand jury on Jan 8, 2004 after trying to assert medical marijuana defense in state court. Arrested with 100s of small seedlings, 33 mature plants, and a few pounds of processed marijuana in Red Bluff and Oakland. Defendants say they were for personal use. The Tehama DA turned the case over to the feds while pretending to negotiate a deal with their attorneys. Blake sentenced to 18 months, September 2006. Davidson jumped bail and re-arrested, sentenced to 41 months.

• Humboldt County, May 4, 2006 - Timothy Dellas was convicted of one count of “manufacture” of marijuana and of one count of possession with intent to distribute marijuana involving more than 1,000 plants. The Humboldt County Sheriff turned the case over to federal law enforcement after executing a search warrant in June 2003 based on information from an informant. At a pretrial hearing Dellas testified that he was growing for dispensaries, and a dispensary operator appeared in court and attempted to testify for him. At the sentencing hearing in January 2007, Tim again testified that he was growing for dispensaries, and later reiterated this in his statement before the judge. Nonetheless, the court sentenced him to a mandatory minimum sentence of ten years in prison and five years supervised release.

• Roseville - DEA raids Capitol Compassionate Care Center in Roseville and the Newcastle home of its proprietor, Richard Marino, on Sept 3, 2004, seizing 250 plants, 20 pounds of processed marijuana, and $105,000 cash. Goverment files for forfeiture of Marino's home and for his rented storefront premises owned by landlord Richard Ryan. Marino indicted Jan 2006 on 19 counts for distribution, manufacture, and money laundering, sentenced to 51 months + 48 mo. supervised release. Jul 22, 2008.

• Trinity County - Vernon Rylee, 61, was snatched out of state court in Trinity County on 10/18/05 and arrested on federal cultivation charges. Rylee and his wife had been arrested in 2003 for a sizable outdoors grow; they were re-arrested the next year after deliberately replanting another garden in public view. While awaiting trial, they were arrested once again, this time for a personal use garden of approximately ten plants. The Trinity County DA dismissed Janet, but turned Vernon, who is seriously ill, over to the feds. After being held 4 months in Sacramento Jail, where his condition worsened, he has been transfered to the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center. Sentenced to 71 months, August 2006. UPDATE 12/09 - Rylee is in federal prison camp in North Carolina. His family asks supporters to write asking him to be transferred home to Trinity county. Write to: General Counsel, Federal Bureau of Prisons, 320 First St, NW, Wash DC 20534; and Warden Tracy Johns, Federal Buerau of Prisons, PO Box 999 Butner NC 27509. RE: Vernon Rylee #16059-097

• Merced - Aug 10th, 2005. Patient activist Dustin "DC" Costa arrested on federal charges. The charges stemmed from a raid in February 2004, when some 900 plants were seized from Costa's greenhouse. Costa had maintained that the plants were all for legal Prop. 215 patients. After 18 months of court continuances, state officials turned DC's case over for federal prosecution. Convicted & Sentenced to 15 Years in prison under federal mandatory minimums Jan 2007.

• Oakland, March 16, 2006. DEA raids cannabis candy manufacturer, "Beyond Bomb," at three different East Bay sites, seizing over 5,000 plants, $150K cash, and the company's stash of cannabis candies & soda pop. Arrested are alleged ringleader Kenneth "Kena" Affolter, 39, and 11 other employees. DEA says products were packaged in eye-catching candy wrappers that might pose danger to kids. Supporters say that products were distributed for use by medical marijuana patients. Affolter sentenced to 70 months; co-defendants Amy Teresa Arata and Jesse Monko sentenced to 18 months; Jaime Alvarez-Lopez and Elizabeth Ramirez sentenced to 1 year Sept. 26-06.

• LA, July 17, 2007. John Moreaux of Valencia, a former associate of Compassionate Caregivers, was indicted for operating a second cannabis club in West Hollywood. Moreaux had a prior marijuana conviction and was also charged with illegal possession of a shotgun. Sentenced to 18 mo. + 3 yrs supervised release, April 29, 2008.

• San Diego, July 6th 2006 - DEA and San Diego county narcotics agents shut down the city's dispensaries; half of the city's 19 dispensaries raided, others pressured to close. Six arrested on federal charges: John Sullivan, owner of the Purple Bud Room, who had other run-ins with the law; plus five defendants charged with cultivation in association with Co-Op San Diego: Wayne Hudson, Chris Larkin, Ross McManus, Scott Wright, and Michael Ragin. John Sullivan sentenced to 5 years (+ 5 yrs. sup. release), Aug. 31, 2007. Wayne Hudson sentenced to 1 year (+ 4 yrs sup. release); Larkin, McManus, Wright and Ragin sentenced to 5 yrs. probation (Feb 26, 2007).

• July 13, 2007 - Dr. Armond Tollette of Los Angeles indicted for allegedly writing faulty recommendations, offering referral kickbacks to patients, and sharing marijuana with them. Arrested in connection with Central Coast Compassionate Caregivers investigation in SLO County. Tollete, of Culver City, California, had previously pled guilty on September 19, 2007 to conspiring with four owners and operators of ultrasound testing companies to commit health care fraud. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison, followed by three years of supervised release, and ordered to pay restitution to Medicare amounting to $909,000.

Sentenced or Case Terminated :

• San Francisco - Stephanie Landa, Kevin Gage, Thomas Kikuchi arrested July 15th 2002 for 3000 square ft. medical marijuana garden in San Francisco. SF police had told the defendants beforehand that medical cultivation was OK, but then arrested them and turned their case over to the feds. Pled guilty to maintaining a place for manufacture. Landa and Gage sentenced Aug 2003 to 41 months; Kikuchi was sentenced to 37 months and released 06/19/2009. On September 29, 2008, Landa was put into solitary confinement and her sentence extended for 6 months for testing positive for THC, even though she has a Marinol prescription. She was released October 15, 2009 after serving nearly 3 years.

• SF Bay Area - Ken Hayes and Rick Watts indicted along with Ed Rosenthal following DEA raid on S.F. Sixth Street Harm Reduction Center Feb. 12, 2002. Charges against Watts dismissed 2007. On September 9, 2009 Hayes was given credit for time served and sentenced to three years supervised release with 6 months' home detention by US District Court Judge Charles Breyer. Ken's many friends and supporters look forward to his return to the community . Defense attorney Bill Panzer commended Judge Breyer's ruling as "fair and just."

• Plumas County, Sep 5, 2006 – Caregiver Jeff Sanderson and wife Alice Wiegand charged federally pursuant to August 14, 2006 raid by a local-federal task force that allegedly found 260+ plants. Child protective services also took custody of Sandersons' 10-month old son. Sanderson sentenced to two years, Wiegand to six months April 2008. Sanderson was released on 6/25/2009.

• Oakland - Five arrested by DEA following a CHP raid on a warehouse where 4,000 plants were found (Jun 30, 04). Defendants say the plants were for a licensed dispensary. Police gave conflicting accounts of the incident; the CHP says it called on the DEA after Oakland police declined to help. Two defendants pled and received misdemeanor probation: Jacek Mroz, 27, of San Leandro, and Jesse Nieblas, 31, of Alameda. Also arrested were Mario Pacetti, 33, of Alameda, Heleno Araujo, 32, of Concord, and Celeste Angello, 28, of Santa Clara. Angello sentenced to 2 years probation 10/6/4; Araujo pled guilty to misdemeanor for maintaining a place for manufacture of marijuana. Pacetti pled guilty 2/16/05. Two more indicted Feb 11, 2005: Thomas Grossi,60, owner of the property, and Roy Lewis, 52, an alleged grower. Lewis convicted and sentenced to probation due to ill health (April 2007). Pacetti sentenced to 1 year and 1 day (May 9, 2007). Grossi sentenced to 30 months, May 2007. Other defendants given probation. (2/16/09) Grossi was sent back to prison after a positive drug test due to eating a poppy seed cake and was later released.

• Oakland, Sept. 3, 2008 - Michael Martin was sentenced Michael Martin was sentenced to 5 years' probation with 2 years community service/home detention after a Sept. 27, 2007 DEA raid of Tainted, Inc., manufacturer of cannabis candies, seizing hundreds of products and 460 plants. DEA claimed Tainted supplied candies to cannabis clubs in the Bay Area, Seattle, Vancouver and Amsterdam. Defendants pled guilty. Martin's assistant Jessica Sanders was sentenced to 3 years' probation with 6 months home detention. Michael Anderson, 42 of Oakland, and Diallo McLinn, 35 of Oakland were sentenced to 2 years misdemeanor probation. See: www.freetainted.com

• San Francisco, Oct 4th, 2006 - DEA raids New Remedies Cooperative, a spinoff of the former Compassionate Caregivers dispensary group, which had been closed by federal investigators following a raid on their LA branch. Fifteen persons arrested, including director Sparky Rose, 36; plus James Daley, 56, Sean Anderson, 22; Johnny Seto, 32; Mark Miller, 53; Tracy Smith, 32; Kevin Ellis, 28; Jason Matthewson, 29; Alfaro Munoz-Bebullida, 33; Steven Navarro, 35; Mistalee Chiame Wang, 25; Jaime Perreira, 26; Ben Blair, 31; Irene Matsuoka, 27; and Amber Froines, 26. Sparky Rose sentenced to 37 months on 14 MJ-related counts, Mar 24, 2008. Charges against other defendants dismissed. Rose was released to a Los Angeles area halfway house in August 2009.

• El Dorado County - June 30, 2006. DEA & sheriffs arrest patient grower David Harde and wife Toby Landis on federal charges of sales of (medical) marijuana. Harde had been arrested Sept 1, 2005, by local sheriffs in connection with a five-patient collective. Facing difficult prosecution, county turned case over to feds. Harde sentenced to 30 months, December 2006. Charges against Landis dropped.

• Sonoma Co. - Keith Alden - arrested May 9, 2001 while growing for himself and other patients; convicted by a jury of cultivating more than 100 plants on Feb 11, 2002; sentenced to 5 yrs probation; re-arrested July 31, 2002 for cultivating while on probation. Convicted for growing 920 plants Dec 19, 2002. Sentenced to 44 months, July 1, 2006. Released 02-07-2008

• Bakerfield, Jul 10, 2007 - Feds indict Bill Connelly, proprietor of Seven Seas medical marijuana dispensary, pursuant to a wider investigation involving a drug dealing ring. Connelly pleads guilty and sentenced to six months in prison (Apr 28, 2008).

• Modesto - July 18th, 2005. DEA arrests Thunder Rector and two others on charges stemming from a raid on his property by Stanislaus Co sheriffs, who reported discovering 49 plants and 235 pounds of marijuana there. Rector and his wife Rayleen Edson had been providing medical marijuana for partients at a San Francisco dispensary. Thunder sentenced to 24 months plus 60 months supervised release, Oct. 2007.

• SF/Oakland - Marijuana author/advocate Ed Rosenthal re-indicted Oct 12th, 2006, after conviction had been overturned by appeals court. Originallly convicted Jan 31, 2003 for cultivating and maintaining a place in Oakland and conspiring to cultivate over 100 plants for the Harm Reduction Center in San Francisco. Jurors renounced their verdict after the first trial upon finding out that important evidence that Rosenthal had been deputized by the city of Oakland had been withheld. Rosenthal sentenced to 1 day time served and 3 years probation and $1300 fine Jun 4, 2003. Money laundering charges (for four checks totaling $1855) added on re-indictment, but dismissed by judge for vindictive prosecution. Judge announced before second trial that he would not change his original sentence. Rosenthal re-convicted in May, 2007 on three of five counts; acquitted on one count and jury hung on remaining count. Seven witnesses refused to testify for the state despite threat of contempt of court. Full ccount of Rosenthal trial.

• Kern Co - July 20, 2005. Joe Fortt, 42, director of American Kenpo Kungfu School of Public Health, arrested for cultivating over 2,000 plants at three different locations. Charged with conspiracy to distribute and possess more than 1,000 plants (10 year mandatory minimum). Sentenced to 21 months, released in April 2007 and deported to Canada. Also charged: Dau Venh Lieng.

• Bakersfield - Sep 8th, 2005. DEA arrests James Holland and two associates in raid on the Free and Easy cannabis dispensary. Kern County sheriffs summoned the DEA after being called to investigate a robbery at the facility. Police found plants growing at Holland's home plus 20 lbs of marijuana, and illegally possessed firearms. Holland, who had prior drug convictions, sentenced to 9 years in prison Feb 2007.

• Sonoma Co. - Aiko Compassion Center (Santa Rosa) raided by DEA May 29, 2002. Ed Bierling and Dan Nelson arrested separately each with plant #s beneath Sonoma Co. guidelines. Bierling not charged; Nelson given probation May 2006.

• San Bernardino Co. - Anna & Gary Barret arrested May 22, 2003 on federal grand jury indictment for marijuana cultivation after charges dismissed in state court. Gary & Anna sentenced to 2 years probation Jan 30, 2006.

• Sonoma Co. - Robert Schmidt, proprietor of Genesis 1:29 club in Petaluma, arrested Sept 13, 2002. Agents uproot 3,454 plants at the club's garden in Sebastopol. Pled guilty Jul 2003; sentenced to 41 months, July 2005.

• Orange Co. - Michael Teague - arrested May 2002 growing 102 small seedlings in garage in Tustin. Charges dismissed under Prop. 215; re-arrested by BATF on federal charges of being "unlawful user" in possession of a (legal) handgun. Gun charges dropped; pled guilty to cultivation with right to appeal. Sentenced to 18 months Aug. 2003.

• Sacramento - Robert and Shawna Whiteaker - patient couple involved in Prop. 215 cultivation case that was turned over to the US attorney by the Sacramento DA's office after they charged that search warrants were falsified by a sheriff's deputy. Attorneys allege US prosecutors improperly withheld information to force the case into federal court. Shawna got misdemeanor probation; Robert sentenced to 18 months, Nov 2004.

• Humboldt Co. - Chris Giauque - arrested in Humboldt County Aug 01, 2001 growing 204 plants for the Salmon Creek patients' collective; case turned over to the feds, pled guilty Dec 6; sentenced to 15 months for possession. Released from prison May 2003. Meanwhile, in a separate case, Giauque won a landmark federal lawsuit for return of one ounce of pot seized by the DEA at the request of the Humboldt sheriff after the latter was ordered to return it to Giauque under Prop. 215. Giauque missing and presumed dead since Aug 2003; police suspect foul play.

• Oakland. - Jimmy Halloran arrested in Feb 12th, 2002 DEA raid for sizeable indoor medical marijuana grow ( 3,500 plants). Halloran, 60 years old, facing a 10 year sentence and ill with Hepatitis C, agreed to plead guilty and cooperate with the government by testifying against Rosenthal. Sentenced May 22, 2003 to 6 months house arrest and $10,000 fine.

• Placer Co. - Bill & Peggy Riddick (aged 68, 69) sentenced 4/5/02 to 30 months beginning 5/13; home forfeited; arrested by Placer Co. sheriffs in 1997 growing 400-680 plants for a San Francisco cannabis club. Released from prison Jan 2004.

• El Dorado Co. - Roy Lee Sharpnack, 55 patient sentenced to 57 months on Mar 4, 2002 for growing 957 plants for an El Dorado patients' dispensary. Other defendants in the case: Jacob Sink released from prison in 2002; Traci Coggins, released from prison Nov. 02: Paul Maggi, released after agreeing to inform.

• Sonoma Co - Mark Whitney arrested March 2002 for 660 plant caregiver garden. Pled guilty Jul 2003, sentenced to 1 year prison, 3 years supervised release; out pending appeal.

• West Hollywood - Los Angeles Cannabis Resource Center - Raided and closed by DEA Oct. 25th on orders of US Justice Dept against wishes of local authorities. Served 960 seriously ill patients In Hollywood. Forfeiture charges filed against the LACRC's building Jun 2002. LACRC director Scott Imler, Jeff Yablan and Jeff Farrington pled guilty to avoid a potential 30-year sentence. Sentenced to 1 year's probation plus community service in November 2003 by Judge Howard Matz, who praised the defendants and excoriated the government for bringing the case in the first place.

• Ventura Co. - Lynn and Judy Osburn raided Sept 28, 2001 for cultivating for the LACRC. Forfeiture filed against Osburns' property, including home they built for themselves, in July 02. Raided again and arrested for personal use garden of 35 plants in Aug 02; charged with cultivation. Pled guilty Sep 03. Lynn sentenced to 1 year. Ninth Circuit denied appeal March 2006.

• Mendocino Co. - David Arnett and David Kephart charged federally Jun 02 with growing 27 plants on BLM land after case was dismissed in state court. Arnett sentenced to 3 years probation and $1,000 fine Jun 20, 03.

• Sonoma Co - Patient Mike Foley arrested with a home garden by FBI in the course of an unrelated investigation of his housemate, Jun 2002. Pled guilty to cultivation of 95 plants. Foley had previously been acquitted by a Sonoma jury for cultivating marijuana with Ken Hayes for the CHAMP patients' group in San Francisco. Sentenced to 6 months home detention plus 3 years probation Mar 31, 2004.

• Los Angeles - Childhood cancer survivor Todd McCormick served nearly four years of a five-year sentence in federal prison for a post-215 grow. McCormick and fellow defendant Peter McWilliams pled guilty in November 1999 after the trial judge denied them the right to use a medical marijuana defense against federal cultivation and trafficking conspiracy charges. McWilliams, who had AIDS and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, died on June 14, 2000. McCormick was freed on December 10, 2003. Co-defendant Renee Boje fought extradition from Canada to stand trial in the case. In September 2006, she received one year's probation without supervision if she remains in Canada.

• San Francisco - Vietnam veteran B.E. Smith was convicted on May 21, 1999 and sentenced to 27 months in Federal prison for growing marijuana for medical patients on federal land in Trinity county. His trial was marked by a decision by U.S. District Court Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. to ban all defenses relating to medical marijuana, caregiving, or Proposition 215. Read more

Forfeiture Cases

• Calaveras County, Jan. 2005. Federal government files forfeiture suit against Wesley Crosiar, 52, after local sheriff finds 134 marijuana plants on his property. Government seeks to forfeit Crosiar's home and five acres of land inherited from father. Crosiar, who was living on the property with his wife and sons, says he was growing for half a dozen friends and family members and had checked with local authorities to make sure he was within legal guidelines. Case settled for $25,000.

• El Dorado County, Feb. 2007 - Disabled veteran Don Kearney's 20-acre ranch and home was seized by federal authorities after county officials discovered a collective medical garden. Update March 2009: Govt refused to drop the case, because of too many plants. Trial is set for August 2009.

• Chico, Jun 28th 2007- Feds file for forfeiture of house of James Robertson. Robertson had been growing ~200 indoor plants for four patient collective. State charges dismissed.

• Butte Co , Summer 2007 - Feds forfeit home of Patricia Hatton, charged with indoor collective grow.

• Mt Shasta, Nov 2006 - Siskiyou sheriffs raid home of Ron Hennig, find 44-plant indoor garden for four patients. Henning indicted by state grand jury, while feds file for forfeiture of his 40-acre property that he has owned for 30 years.

• Amador Co - Bill Lockyer & Bill Olson, fighting federal forfeiture of their home for growing 300 plants; Lockyer a patient; seizure order dated Dec 2001.

Died Pending Prosecution :

• Madera, July 27, 2007. Donato Canceleno, a 63-year-old disabled patient, turned over to federal government for prosecution by Madera prosecutor . Donato was facing trial in state court after being granted a Prop. 215 defense following his arrest on March 7, 2005 for cultivating 216 small indoor plants for three patients. Madera prosecutor Michael Keitz announced in court that he was dropping state charges and turning Canceleno over to federal agents, who dragged him off to jail. Died of heart attack, Oct. 10, 2008.

• San Diego - Steve McWilliams, co-partner of Shelter from the Storm medical marijuana collective, arrested by DEA Oct. 11, 2002 for cultivating a small sideyard garden for a half dozen patients. Pled guilty to cultivation of 25 plants, with right to appeal. Sentenced to 6 months Apr 28th, 2003; released on bail pending appeal but denied access to marijuana. Suffering intense pain and depression, McWilliams committed suicide July 11, 2005.

• Los Angeles - Peter McWilliams, co-defendant w/ Todd McCormick, had AIDS and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, found dead on June 14, 2000. Had pled guilty, been denied use of marijuana, and was awaiting sentencing.

Raided by DEA, no charges filed (partial list - scores of DEA raids have been reported as of 2008):

• Los Angeles and Alameda, October 8, 2008 - DEA raids the long-standing We Are Hemp in Alameda county plus two Long Beach coops (Long Beach Holistic; Holistic Health and Aromatherapy).

• Los Angeles, August 1, 2008. On the same day an appellate court in San Diego ruled that federal law does not preempt the state’s law allowing the use of medical marijuana, DEA agents raided the Organica Collective in Culver City. Agents removed computers, medicine and money, and using a steel cylinder battering ram to get into the upstairs bedrooms, according to an MS patient who was present at the time of the raid. The LA Times website briefly published a picture of a man handing a box marked "DEA" while wearing a Blackwater T-shirt at the raid. The paper removed the photo after the DEA asked them to obscure the man's face because they said he is an undercover agent.

• Los Angeles, Jan. 17, 2007. DEA agents raid eleven LA-area cannabis dispensaries, including 5 in West Hollywood, which were operating in accordance with a local dispensary ordinance. Products and cash seized, no arrests. Local governments surprised by the raid, which was denounced by West Hollywood officials.

• Sky Valley (Riverside Co.) March 15, 2006. DEA bangs down door of medical marijuana patient Garry Silva, 53, flooring him, dislocating his shoulder and breaking a bone in the process. Silva found growing 70 small indoor plants, half of them unrooted, for 9 legal patients affiliated with a Palm Desert collective. No charges filed.

• San Francisco, Dec. 20, 2005 - DEA raids HopeNet Cooperative after first raiding home of HopeNet directors Steve and Catherine Smith. No arrests. Agents seize cash, medicine, a few hundred small indoor plants, mostly cuttings and clones.

• San Diego, Dec 12, 2005 - Interagency task force raids 13 of 19 San Diego dispensaries. Task force led by DEA with state police. Raids conducted under state, not federal search warrant. No arrests, investigation ongoing.

• Los Angeles - DEA raids home garden of sickle-cell patients' advocate Sister Somayah on Oct. 8, 2003, destroying 12 plants. Somayah, who has been repeatedly harassed by the LA police department, was acquitted of cultivation in a jury trial in 2002. No charges filed.

•Lebanon, Oregon - DEA raids garden of Travis Paulsen, seizing 48 mature and 56 immature plants, Oct. 2, 2003. No charges filed.

• Santa Cruz - Wo/men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, a collective of 250 seriously ill patients, raided by DEA Sept. 5, 2002; armed agents destroy 167 plants. Directors Valerie and Mike Corral handcuffed and arrested, then released. WAMM files suit for return of property. WAMM granted preliminary injunction against further DEA raids under Raich decision April 2004.

• Butte Co. - Diane Monson - 6 plant personal use garden destroyed by DEA in defiance of pleas by local D.A. Aug 15, 2002. Monson files patient lawsuit with Angel Raich asking for a federal injunction to protect them against further DEA aids. Injunction granted by 9th Circuit, overturned under Supreme Court Raich deciscion.

• Linn Co., OREGON - Leroy Stubblefield, a quadriplegic, and two other patients are robbed of a 12-plant caregiver garden, legally registered under state law, by DEA on Sept. 23, 2002. They plan to sue the federal government.

• Sonoma Co. - Alan MacFarlane - 128 plant, 10 patient cooperative garden destroyed by DEA Aug 2002. Had been acquitted for personal medical use cultivation of 100 plants by jury in 2001.

• Bremerton, WASH. - Monte Levine and Marc Derenzy raided by the DEA and threatened with arrest by U.S. attorney in August 2002 for openly growing medical marijuana (42 plants) for themselves and two other patients under Washington state law.

• Steamboat Springs, CO - Don Nord, 57-year-old patient with serious chronic illness, raided Nov 2003 for 3-plant medical garden. Charges dismissed under Colorado medical marijuana law, but Nord's medicine turned over to DEA. Nord is suing federal government for return of medicine.

• Aurora, Co - Dana May raided by DEA April 2004 for personal use garden. Colorado D.A. declines to press charges. May plans to file suit against feds for $3,000 in cultivation equipment and lost medicine.
 
The ACLU released a letter they sent to the DOJ addressing their newest threats as illegal, fundamentally unconstitutional, and beyond that, a stupid idea. They cite chapter and verse to prove just how backwards the DOJ's perspective on this is, in light of Federal law, specifically the Controlled Substances Act. Way to go, pot smoking lawyers!

October 25, 2010

Attorney General Eric Holder
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

Gil Kerlikowske
Director, Office of National Drug Control Policy
Drug Policy Information Clearinghouse
P.O. Box 6000
Rockville, MD 20849-6000

Dear Attorney General Holder and Director Kerlikowske,

The American Civil Liberties Union is a national non-partisan advocacy
organization having over half a million members, countless additional
activists and supporters, and 53 affiliates nationwide dedicated to the
protection and advancement of civil liberties and individual rights under the
U. S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The three ACLU affiliates in
California, the ACLU of Northern California, ACLU of Southern California,
and ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties, collectively have 96,500
members. Recent comments issuing from your respective agencies have
threatened costly litigation and the deployment of federal drug police to
arrest individuals who might use marijuana if Proposition 19 is enacted by
the voters of California. Such comments are unnecessarily alarmist and do
little to help foster a balanced discussion of a legitimate policy issue. We
write to encourage you to refrain from such rhetoric in the days leading up to
the November 2 vote on this issue in order to encourage a reasoned vote on
the issues. Further, in the event Californians adopt the measure, we urge you
not to bring a facial challenge to the new law and to make no change to
established administration priorities focusing on major criminal activity in
favor of new enforcement activities against California marijuana users.

Proposition 19 will let Californians decide whether to change the failed
policy of using scarce state law enforcement resources to prohibit, under
state law, the adult consumption and possession of small amounts of
marijuana. The ACLU took heart from Director Kerlikowske’s
acknowledgement that the ‘war on drugs’ has failed. But instead of scaling
back the rhetoric associated with that ineffective and out-of-date campaign,
it appears the administration would resist California’s modest attempt to
begin dismantling one of the defining injustices of our failed drug policies:
that the war on drugs has become a war on minorities. African-Americans
and Latinos are disproportionately arrested for low-level marijuana
possession in California and across the nation even though usage rates are
the same as or lower than those of whites. The historical and racially disparate enforcement of marijuana laws is a primary reason the California ACLU affiliates have endorsed Proposition 19.
This also no doubt explains why the California NAACP, the League of United Latin American
Citizens (LULAC) of California, the National Black Police Association and the Latino Voters
League, among so many others, have also endorsed the initiative.

While the federal government can continue to enforce its own laws, even if California removes state criminal sanctions from some adult marijuana use, recent DOJ statements appear to threaten a new regime of targeting minor marijuana offenses that have never been a federal enforcement priority. For example, in an October 13, 2010 letter to former administrators of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Attorney General Holder threatened to vigorously enforce the CSA against individuals possessing or cultivating marijuana in California even if they are permitted to do so under state law. But it has long been DOJ policy to focus its enforcement efforts only on large scale cultivation or sale of marijuana, and federal law enforcement has never targeted the small-scale personal possession and cultivation that Proposition 19 would allow under state law. Such comments do nothing to advance the policy debate and, instead, contribute to a climate of fear that detracts from allowing voters to consider the policy arguments for and against the law in a reasoned fashion.

We commend DOJ’s instruction last year to U.S. Attorneys that prosecuting medical marijuana patients who comply with state laws should not be a federal law enforcement priority. The very same standards should apply if Proposition 19 is enacted. Regardless of the federal government’s disagreement with California’s choice to amend state criminal law, it makes no more sense for the federal government to waste scarce resources policing low-level, non-violent marijuana offenses after Proposition 19 passes, than before.

Threats of federal interference, however, go beyond just poor policy; suggestions of a facial challenge to Proposition 19 misconstrue the preemptive reach of the Controlled Substances Act (“CSA”) and ignore constitutionally-imposed limitations on the federal government’s authority to dictate state criminal laws. Politics should not confuse the legal analysis here. The express anti-preemption provision of the CSA and the anti-commandeering principles embodied in the 10th Amendment plainly foreclose any claim that Proposition 19, if enacted, would be void under the Supremacy Clause because preempted by federal law.

Congress included an express anti-preemption clause in the CSA, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 903. Preemption of state drug laws is explicitly limited to the narrow set of circumstances where there is a “positive conflict” between state and federal law “so that the two cannot consistently stand together.” Proposition 19 would remove state criminal penalties for certain adult marijuana use. The new law would not require anyone to do anything in violation of federal law. There would be no positive conflict. The most obvious analogy is to state medical marijuana laws, now in place in 14 states and the District of Columbia, allowing regulated possession, cultivation and distribution of marijuana for medical purposes without state law penalties. It is telling that in the 14 years since the inception of these laws, neither the Obama administration nor any of its predecessors has challenged any state medical marijuana laws as preempted by the CSA under the Supremacy Clause. California appellate courts have considered, and soundly rejected, similar arguments raised by local government and law enforcement officials opposed to medical marijuana laws. See City of Garden Grove v. Superior Court, 157 Cal.App.4th 355, 68 Cal.Rptr.3d 656 (2007) and County of San Diego v. San Diego NORML, 165 Cal.App.4th 798, 81 Cal.Rptr.3d 461 (2008). In both cases, the California Supreme Court denied review and the U.S. Supreme Court denied certiorari.

Those who urge a facial challenge to Proposition 19 under the Supremacy Clause also fail to
acknowledge the restrictions imposed by the 10thAmendment upon the federal government’s power to force states to maintain or enact state criminal laws. The Supreme Court made clear in Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997) and New York v. United States, 505 U.S. 144 (1992) that the federal government cannot compel states to enact particular laws or enforce federal laws or regulatory schemes. This is a fundamental tenet of our federalist system of government.

The so-called war on drugs has been an abysmal failure; a recent study from the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University reported that teens today find it easier to obtain marijuana than alcohol or cigarettes. And yet this war has wasted vast public resources and incurred incalculable cost in human lives. Over 850,000 people were arrested in the U.S. last year for marijuana offenses, the vast majority of which were for simple possession of small amounts. In California alone, over 850,000 people have been arrested over the past 20 years for possession of small amounts of marijuana; half a million of those arrests were in the last ten years. Those arrested were disproportionately young African-American and Latino men, despite study after study establishing that whites use marijuana at the same or greater rates. Additionally, every dollar spent policing low-level adult marijuana offenses diverts scarce resources from preventing and solving serious and violent crime. Since 1990, in fact, arrests for nearly every serious crime have declined in California, while arrests for marijuana possession have tripled.

Californians have every right to enact Proposition 19 to stop this incredible waste of criminal justice resources and to dismantle one of the most shameful legacies of the war on drugs, the selective enforcement of these laws. This is about priorities. Given the state of the economy, record unemployment and foreclosure rates, and thousands of troops deployed abroad, should voters enact Proposition 19, we hope that the federal government will re-evaluate its priorities and use scarce federal enforcement resources wisely. For these reasons, we urge you to direct your agencies to refrain from polarizing rhetoric in the California referendum, to refrain from a facial challenge to any successfully enacted law, and to reconfirm your commitment to investigating and prosecuting serious offenses and not to the victimless and non-violent use of marijuana by Californians contemplated under Proposition 19.

We would welcome the opportunity to discuss these issues with you again in the weeks ahead, as we have in the past, regardless of the outcome of the California referendum.

Respectfully,

Laura W. Murphy
Director, Washington Legislative Office

Jennifer Bellamy
Criminal Justice Legislative Counsel

Jay Rorty
Director, ACLU Criminal Law Reform Project

Allen Hopper
Police Practices Director
ACLU of Northern California
 

Tony Aroma

Let's Go - Two Smokes!
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Russia Says No on Prop 19

Russia Says No on Prop 19

I love it that the Russian Drug Czar (very appropriate title in this case) didn't know about medical cannabis in the U.S. Yet he's sure if Prop 19 passes, the "consequences will be catastrophic." I guess that means something like cats and dogs living together, or worse. At least our two governments can find something on which they "completely agree."

Russia's top drug official warned in an interview with Foreign Policy on Friday of what he called the "catastrophic" consequences of marijuana legalization measures like California's upcoming ballot initiative, saying darkly that widespread legal drug use would produce "psychiatric deviations" and will only encourage drug addiction.

Viktor Ivanov, a former KGB officer and prominent member of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's inner circle, even took the unusual step of going to Los Angeles earlier this week to "conduct a campaign against legalizing marijuana in California," as he said in the interview. He also came to Washington this week to meet with U.S. drug czar Gil Kerlikowske and U.S. Afghan envoy Richard Holbrooke to discuss anti-poppy measures in Afghanistan and call for an intensified program of aerial eradication.

The United States has largely abandoned eradicating the poppy crop in favor of a narrower strategy focusing on cutting off funding to the Taliban and cracking down on traffickers. Ivanov says that isn't enough to counter the flow of heroin into Russia, which kills tens of thousands of users every year.

But California's laxity, it seems, was particularly startling to him. "I hadn't known about it before and I was absolutely shocked when I was in the city and saw these posters saying that you can get marijuana for medical purposes," he said. He met with Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Sheriff Leroy Baca to voice Russia's opposition to the measure. Noting that U.S. President Barack Obama has also expressed his opposition to legalization, Ivanov described it as "one of the cases where Russia and the U.S. agree completely."

He continued: "I'm afraid that the consequences of [legalization] will be catastrophic. Even the Netherlands, where they sell marijuana legally in coffee shops, they are now reversing on this. Because there, and everywhere, drug addiction is becoming stronger and the people who are addicted develop psychiatric deviations. They say, 'What does God do when he wants to punish a person? He deprives him of his mind.'"

Full article.
 

Runner

Member
At the same time Russia recently decriminalized growing less than 20 plants (not storing the proceeds though)

Note that being Drug Czar he was apparently unaware California has medical pot, competent guy
 
B

Ben Tokin

The Russian intelligencia knows exactly what the federal and state policies are in the US. They exploit the knowledge of legislative and societal trends here to further their worldwide political and financial ambitions.

Think about the influence and control they are exerting in Central and South America. Russia is all about political destabilization and exploitation of third world countries that can negatively impact the US. The US is their main objective. Remember it was the US that was the main contributor to the downfall of the USSR. They will never forget that.

The drug cartels of the world have a single common denominator. Covert Russian influence.
 

statusquo

Member
SCF said:
Serious flaws with Proposition 19 include:

SCF said:
-- Workplace: One clause in the measure prevents employers from disciplining workers who smoke pot unless it can be shown work performance was impaired. Pre-employment testing would be prohibited - a direct conflict with federal rules that require drug screening for operators of planes, trains, trucks and buses.
11304. Effect of Act and Definitions
(a) This act shall not be construed to affect, limit, or amend any statute that forbids impairment while engaging in dangerous activies such as driving...
(c) No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging any conduct permitted by this act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 (Commercial Regulations and Controls). Provided, however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.


C. Intent
2. This act is not intended to affect the application of enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: [lists a bunch of H&S Sections]...; or any law prohibiting use of controlled substances in the workplace or by specific persons whose jobs involve public safety.

These are the 3 segments I could find in regards to employment. It seems that drug testing before you get a job and even once you have that job would still be legal ya? At a minimum drug testing employers would be legit

SCF said:
-- Neighborhoods: Any property owner would have the right to grow pot on a 5-by-5 plot - even in counties that did not allow the sale of marijuana.
I was hoping you could elaborate on this a little more. What does this entail for the neighborhoods in your opinion?

SCF said:
-- Tax and regulation: No state controls over quality or purity, or revenue for the state, are included. Counties that allowed the sale of marijuana could collect taxes.
11302. Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees
(b) Any licensed premises shall be responsible for paying all federal, state, and local taxes, fees, fines, penalties or other financial responsibility imposed on all or similarly situated businesses, facilities, or premises, including without limitation income taxes, business taxes, license fees, and property taxes, without regard to or identification of the business or items or services sold

It doesn't mandate taxes at any level but as you point out the act leaves it to the counties and they are often at the whim of the state government via golden hand cuffs, grants etc. Also, many things are done at the local level and many counties are debt just as badly as the state haha. I wonder if the clause "without regard to or identification of the business or items or services sold" means that the State couldn't impose taxes. If it doesn't mean that, could someone please clarify? I do agree that not having some framework from the get go was a bad idea, however...

In regards to regulation, this is also left to the counties IIRC (too tired of typing out all these sections from the GE pamphlet lol). This aside, government regulation is not the answer. Let the private sector handle it; if a company or corporation produces poor quality or low-purity bud then go somewhere else. I foresee something like the alcohol system where they tell you THC levels, and hopefully even other cannabinoid levels. The clause that says it won't interfere with the H&S code would already cover producing bud that is not only poor but unhealthy.

There is a carefully balancing act in any system that incorporates case law and precedent. This, like 215, was purposely written vaguely as to not piss off either side so that the act could pass and then people can fight over the specifics in court later via amendments/additions.

SCF said:
-- Highway safety: Drivers can't smoke pot but passengers could, according to the crafters of the initiative.
C. Intent
2. This act is not intended to affect the application of enforement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or ptection of children and others: [lists a bunch of H&S Sections]...; Section 23152 of the Vehicle Code (relating to driving while under the influence);....

Section 11301
(c) "Personal consumption" shall include, and nothing in this act shall permit. cannabis:
(1)...
(2) Consumption in public or in a public place


In addition to this segment, it also says that you can only smoke in a private residence or authorized establishment. What I think is more relevant to highway safety is the fact that you can smoke in your house, leave baked as fuck and then get behind the wheel. As long as the cop can't prove you were smoking in the car or have evidence to suggest it, he has no authority to do anything as I understand things.

Also I'm sure ordinances or laws like the open container ones would pop up quickly if what you said is true.
 

David762

Member
How about this for a work-around?

How about this for a work-around?

Im not against prop 19 but I do not understand how they are gonna stop marijuana from being exported out of the legal area into other states, thats like having mexico in the middle of the us, I hope it will become legal in whole US or they are gonna spend crazy money on "war on drugs"

Preface:
The Federal government isn't likely to audit, then eliminate, the Federal Reserve any time soon. Many States are running record deficits these days, and none IIRC in any worse financial shape than California. The Federal government is also unlikely to end Prohibition 2.0 or the War on Drugs any time soon, let alone re-legalize cannabis/hemp.

Prop 19 is likely to pass in California, offering some unique economic opportunities for this State. Subsequent to Prop 19 passing, there will be a direct conflict between the Federal government and California regarding tax revenues, including business and personal income taxes. The Feds cannot accept any California revenues based upon the new cannabis/hemp industries without either violating their Prohibition | Drug War policies, or violating Californians' 5th Amendment rights.

Solution:
California needs to create their own publicly owned not-for-profit State Bank, in a manner similar to North Dakota's State Bank. All revenues to the State or Localities derived from the cannabis/hemp industries should be deposited in this State Bank. Included in this revenue stream should be all business and individual income taxes due to the Federal government, held in escrow accounts. This would shield Californians from Federal government intrusion, including the IRS, until such time that Federal Prohibition | Drug War policies change. This State Bank of California would be used for all State financial business, including all business taxes, fees, unemployment insurance escrow accounts, real estate escrow accounts, etcetera. The Bank charter would limit their fractional reserve ratio to no more than 4-to-1 or 5-to-1 maximum. That charter would also limit State Bank investments only to in-state or "community" projects, something regional and national banks have proven unwilling to do. This would be a Win-Win for the State, with a far greater control over California's future, as well as setting an example for other States to follow -- something must be available to replace the Federal Reserve, and nothing could be better than some measure of State autonomy from foreign or Federal economic entanglements.
 

statusquo

Member
Interesting ideas on a State bank. I am usually opposed to government intervetion except at a most basic level to insure fundamental rights, however given our current situation State banks seem like a good pragmatic solution.

Also if you could clarify for me, david, that that bill or w.e didn't pass to audit the fed (the one Ron Paul was/is always pressing). I thought I recalled hearing it was or did pass but I guess not =/ I eagerly await the day we shut down the feds and IRS...
 

David762

Member
Obama regime acting stupidly, just before mid-terms.

Obama regime acting stupidly, just before mid-terms.

If voters have been paying attention, this issue should help Libertarians, Tea Party, and Green Party at the voting booth, to the detriment of the staid Corporatist politicians of both the Democratic AND Republican Parties.

yeah no shit :) I knew it was coming and now...I feel way better. Besides, he had to create extra drama by making this announcement right before the election, rather than 6 months ago when everyone forgets.

So...he is basically saying, business as usual for the Feds. No one expected them to say "Have fun Cali, smoke it up" so I figure this response is a little more positive then what most expected. That being an all out legal fight, like Arizona. They still might take it to court...who knows...they might not. It's going to get real interesting.
 

David762

Member
There are about 85 or so co-sponsors ...

There are about 85 or so co-sponsors ...

but as far as I know, it has been held up in committee -- big surprise there, huh? Both "mainstream" parties have many politicians looking out for Their constituents' best interests -- the Fed & Wall Street Mobsters.

Interesting ideas on a State bank. I am usually opposed to government intervetion except at a most basic level to insure fundamental rights, however given our current situation State banks seem like a good pragmatic solution.

Also if you could clarify for me, david, that that bill or w.e didn't pass to audit the fed (the one Ron Paul was/is always pressing). I thought I recalled hearing it was or did pass but I guess not =/ I eagerly await the day we shut down the feds and IRS...
 

SCF

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Interesting ideas on a State bank. I am usually opposed to government intervetion except at a most basic level to insure fundamental rights, however given our current situation State banks seem like a good pragmatic solution.

Also if you could clarify for me, david, that that bill or w.e didn't pass to audit the fed (the one Ron Paul was/is always pressing). I thought I recalled hearing it was or did pass but I guess not =/ I eagerly await the day we shut down the feds and IRS...

Feds i can see getting shut down. IRS. Never LOL. sad part is, those are the only two organizations in our government, that can freeze your bank accounts ;)

regarding your quotes. I didnt write that. So take it for what it is.

What do i think neighborhoods will become? I think the marijuana plant may be grown just for looks at some point. Being such a beautifully soiled plant, i hope to only see that day. Point of this bill is to stop violence, and unnecessary black market crap. And in hopes people take the step we did, and come to a website like this. And learn to grow!

Overgrow the world,
SCF
 

Hash Zeppelin

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California needs to pass prop 19 now just to spite the federal government for giving them an ultimatum. dont let them trample your state rights. if you guys dont pass this then all medical bills in the whole country are at risk of being over turned. give them an inch and they will take everything!
 

statusquo

Member
California needs to pass prop 19 now just to spite the federal government for giving them an ultimatum. dont let them trample your state rights. if you guys dont pass this then all medical bills in the whole country are at risk of being over turned. give them an inch and they will take everything!
Hm...I might be able to work with this. Although I am currently against 19, I might have to vote yes for this reason alone being a libertarian. Screw the Feds and citizens should do whatever they can to retain/increase their power over the government. The feds have been consistently gaining more and more power all the way back to the earliest years of the birth of America.

A quick aside: an argument many people give is people are needlessly going to jail etc etc etc. If the proper precautions are taken even right now with the current set of laws, one can retain their freedom @ the state level - which is what 19 deals with. Do I agree that one should have to fake an ailment to get a rec to smoke pot? No. Do I want to settle so that Lee can make out like a bandit? No.
 

igrowone

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Hm...I might be able to work with this. Although I am currently against 19, I might have to vote yes for this reason alone being a libertarian. Screw the Feds and citizens should do whatever they can to retain/increase their power over the government. The feds have been consistently gaining more and more power all the way back to the earliest years of the birth of America.

this is the most compelling argument from my perspective, not that i will have the opportunity to vote on this very important proposition
if the federal government wants to increase DEA enforcement by a factor of 10 to pick up the slack from the reduction in state and local LE, well, good luck with that
or more likely throw a hissy fit, and talk about how bad they are and what ass they will kick
 
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Ugh! More fears....Tobacco AAAAAAAAGAIN.
They are going to put their stockholders money on the line for Big Cannabis? Are you sure about that or is it just something that might scare someone? It's one thing to think about something. It's another to let that thought scare you for no reason.

Can you explain how prop 19 could possibly discredit the medical movement and legal patients?
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BigBud,
I'm just basing my opinion off of a statement made by Allen St. Pierre. I'm not certain that this would happen, but I wouldn't discredit the thought as an unwarranted fear. Mj is "illegal" because the fed says it isn't safe. We know cigarettes aren't safe, but lobbies keep tobacco legal because of the money generated. If there is all this money to be made, then why would it get to stay in the hands of the people. If its federally regulated and taxed, who grows the stuff and who gets paid? Certainly not you or I. It will end up corporatized and run by "big canna." Perhaps, the big tobacco players won't be involved, but the same evil will. Now that the feds have deemed multi-billion dollar corporations as "a single private entity," how can private individuals get their smoke from anywhere else? Let alone compete in a "free" capitalist marketplace.

As for discrediting the movement, how does full legalization not discredit mmj? If vicodin was okay for everyone, it wouldn't be medicine. How could OTC smoke be seperated from medical? And, if medical buds get pushed into pharmacies then mmj is in the same broken healthcare system thats plaguing this country and our politics. I've fought long and hard for mmj and i've fought the VA even harder to allow patients their constitutional right. In the end, this is a "state's rights" issue and federalization will not be good for anyone.
 
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