FC's first grow,RRF and Onyx AIR POTS!

[FC89]

Hello IC,

So it's been a couple weeks that I've been posting question after question, with these answers and a little cash I decided that I would go with a mini-fridge grow, it took a while for all the hollowing out and all that but its all almost done, in a day or 2 should have pictures of the whole thing complete. Now onto the nutes, I'm gonna be going with a TEA method like ICC, but instead of the POM fruit and flower I'm going to be using Happy frog fruit and flower, I'm low on cash and dont have enough to go with any others right now, so it will have to wait on the next grow, also got some maxicrop plus iron and superthrive. I want to get some molasses but can't find anyone that has good stuff around here, and I'm not too sure what to look for.

Anyways enough ranting and onto some pictures,
here is the picture of the happy frog

here is the picture of the maxicrop not too sure whether to use this or not, opinions?

and the air pots!


Here are 2 of the Onyx and 1, RRF couple days after they popped their heads through the soil. Sadly to say I had another RRF bean but it just didnt make it , starting to germ another in its place however.
this is the RRF
Onyx 1

Onyx 2

Now here are them at a week and a day from planting from seed.
here is the Onyx 1, Im a little concerned for this little guy, the leaves are kind of wilting, here are 2 pictures. I shouldnt say little guy though, since hes the tallest of the bunch! Any suggestions on how to fix the wilting or is it okay to have?


Here is the Onyx 2, Smaller than onyx 1 but the leaves are looking good.


Here is the only RRF, looking the best so far in my opinion.




Sorry for the crappy quality pictures, my cameras that I have all require plugs and I seemed to have lost them all haha. Any advice at all in this thread is encouraged since it is my first grow, Ill try to update as much as I can for everyone to see!

 

[Seedling]

Interesting, will be watching this one. Not many grow reports on the Onyx out there and certainly none using air pots.
Good luck mate.

 

[FC89]

thanks seedling appreciate the response. Can anyone givce me some advice on what to do with onyx 1? should i just wait for him/her to get better?

 

[Zendo]

FC- good Karma on your grow. A few things..

Happy Frog and peace of mind are the exact same thing, different label.Fox Farms decided that Happy Frog sold better, and are ditching the POM line.

I've used Maxicrop, but not the plus iron one..

I would recommend using the superthrive sparingly, if at all, but I'm not a huge fan. With the happy frog and molasses you are totally organic, but after adding superthrive, you are adding synthetics. kelp (maxicrop) contains over 60 minerals (calcium, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, sodium, sulfur, cobalt, copper, iodine, iron, maganese, selenium, etc.); 17 amino acids, including lysine, hystidine, and proline; vitamins A, B1, B6 (Niacin), B12, D, E, and K; carbohydrates; plant growth hormones - auxins, cytokinins, and gibberellins. I would return that superthrive and stick with the kelp (maxicrop)

I would recommend finding Wholesome Sweeteners brand unsulphered blackstrap molasses. One of your local grocery stores , health food stores, whole foods, trader joes, co-op etc.. The cal/mag ratio is right, it has high potassium, and no sodium. You can also order online. Many other brands may work, but have much lower cal/mag/potassium.

Use it 1 tsp gallon, and your golden. Use too much, and you'll get nitrogen toxicity from the bacteria blooms.

Lastly, what soil are you using? As far as that wilting plant goes, it could be under or overwatering? Hard to tell from pictures, but soil looks pretty dry in the wilting picture.

 

[FC89]

oops I forgot the soil! haha my apologies, I'm using Fox Farms Ocean Forrest, Looks like I'm gonna be making a few stops to local groceries for some nice molasses. I'm not sure if its over or under watering, I've been watering each cup pretty much the same when they are dry, and misting water over them every couple hours or so. But I also thought that it could be over/under watering so I gave it a spray last night,but didnt soak it. The soil is pretty damp when I stick my finger into it, but it gets quite dry also. So not sure whether to rule it as over or undre watering

Also since I'm going with a tea method, should I add the maxicrop to the tea, or to the waterings? I know I can mix the molasses in both the tea and for waterings, but I'm not too sure

 

[colslaw]

sorry to interupt im a bit puzzled, i thought when you made a tea that was the watering and not 2 different things?? sorry if ive missed something, good luck growing...
colslaw

 

[Bighill]

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kelp (maxicrop) contains over 60 minerals (calcium, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, sodium, sulfur, cobalt, copper, iodine, iron, maganese, selenium, etc.); 17 amino acids, including lysine, hystidine, and proline; vitamins A, B1, B6 (Niacin), B12, D, E, and K; carbohydrates; plant growth hormones - auxins, cytokinins, and gibberellins. I would return that superthrive and stick with the kelp (maxicrop)

I will 2nd that.. Kelp also has a plant growth hormone in it. It's debatable whether it is available to the plant via the roots. However i swear by kelp... This stuff is like roids..

Edit: i have a powdered kelp that i bubble with my teas, don't know about maxi.. Try it on one, see what happens..

 

[ronbo51]

Hey, I would bubble the molasses also. It will jack up your biological activity in the tea, and yeah, kelp is magical. I had a friend who grew vegetables commercially and he foliar fed kelp to his tomatoes and swore that's what kept them healthy and gave them a taste quality that was superb. Downturned leaves almost always mean too much water. The leaf on a dry soil plant feels dessicated while in wet they just get limp. So far most of the short stuff grows have been pretty good, hope yours turns out well.

 

[FC89]

sorry to interupt im a bit puzzled, i thought when you made a tea that was the watering and not 2 different things?? sorry if ive missed something, good luck growing...
colslaw

Hey col I hear that with the TEA you make it then add it to your plants, but make sure to have a good bit of runoff so that the soil is full of the nutes. then just water with plain water, every couple days. I'm referring to the ICC method of course which is what I'm really trying to follow here

Hey, I would bubble the molasses also. It will jack up your biological activity in the tea, and yeah, kelp is magical. I had a friend who grew vegetables commercially and he foliar fed kelp to his tomatoes and swore that's what kept them healthy and gave them a taste quality that was superb. Downturned leaves almost always mean too much water. The leaf on a dry soil plant feels dessicated while in wet they just get limp. So far most of the short stuff grows have been pretty good, hope yours turns out well.

Thanks for the info ronbo, Im definitely gonna try to go out and look for some good molasses,like blackstrap unsulfured. I'm gonna try to save off on the watering with the onyx 1 like you said its over watering, I'm gonna assume the same, I was planning on using the TEA tomorrow, should I just water it a little or not even water it before I add the tea? 1 last question haha, like your friend said with the maxicrop, I plan on using it but I'm not sure whether to use it in the tea or just add it to the plain waterings? I'm hoping that the fact that it has plus iron isnt gonna be a big deal, if anyone knows please feel free for any input. Gonna be taking some more pictures tonight for an update on the boys/girls.

 

[Zendo]

sorry to interupt im a bit puzzled, i thought when you made a tea that was the watering and not 2 different things?? sorry if ive missed something, good luck growing...
colslaw

col-- In ICC's method, you give tea watering on specific days, and plain waterings inbetween

 

[FC89]

great news everyone, the bean I planted in place for the first one, has popped! Glad to see this little guy made it out without any problems. Onyx 1 seems to be looking better, its 2 near top leaves have seemed to have stopped drooping, I'll get pics up a little later to show. But man just after a day of not looking at these guys and so much has changed already.... tomorrow is gonna be a big day, going to be putting the babies in their final home, the mini-fridge! They're gonna love the 150w HPS I'm thinking, and I think I'm gonna add the CFLs in there to just for more light, also putting in the 2 computer fans I have, gonna be pulling it all through a 4" venting to a S&P 100TDX (gonna thank KB cause I'm pulling alot of stuff from his grow to look like mine). Also they're gonna be getting their first batch of TEA, I think I'm going to add 1 Tablespoon of Happy frog fruit and flower per gallon and a 1/2 tablespoon of maxicrop plus iron. I'm really crossing my fingers on the maxicrop, its either a shoot or miss I think but since I'm using a very small dosage I dont think burning will happen, I'm gonna try to look for some good molasses but if no luck I'm gonna go without. Any suggestions please feel free to post up!

 

[FC89]

here is a little picture update, I watered the RRF1 and Onyx2 with a shot glass and a half of water, and the Onyx1 just 1 shot glass, I didnt want to water to much on the account that I will be feeding them tomorrow.
RRF 1

Onyx 1, Still kinda looking like its overwatered

Onyx 2


I'm not sure if there is enough soil in the cups, it goes up to the lines, but I'm not sure when to transplant, I was thinking a day or two after I give them their nutes? any info would help guys!

 

[FC89]

hey guys, so monday was a good day, got the fridge finished and everything in there. they seem to be liking it. I hit them with their tea, 1 tablespoon of the happy frog per gallon and 1/2 tablespoon of maxicrop per gallon. They seem to be doing good no burns or nothing, but I'm having some really bad drooping problems with the onyx's. I'm not sure if I watered them to much from the nutes, but they are drooping pretty bad. If anyone can tell me what I may be doing wrong please let me know.

Here is the RRF, not to bad on the drooping.


Here is Onyx 1, I think the drooping is getting pretty bad on this one.


And here is Onyx 2, again with the drooping problem, but not as bad as Onyx 1



Okay guys, so any help here would be greatly appreciated, I'm going to be watering them tomorrow. I'm on the boundary of overwatering or underwatering, I think over, but again I'm not too sure. The one's that are drooping pretty bad I'm not going to water too much but the other I'm gonna give about 1 1/2 shot glass worth. The temps stay at bout 79-80 during the day, but at night time they can get to about 70 is this a problem? Which is worse, colder or hotter? I have a fan in there but it gets to be about 70 at night so not sure whether to keep it on or off. Any help would be awesome guys, noob first time grower here so need all the advice I can get haha.

 

[Seedling]

Hey, how much water do you give them each time? To me it looks like they are really dry. Im a firm believer in watering a lot when you do it and them letting them dry out before you repeat, not giving them a little bit all the time. When i water i make sure they are wet all the way through and that a get a proper run off.

 

[FC89]

I'm giving them about a shot glass for today, but before I've been giving them about 2 shot glasses full of water, pour 1 then let it sit for a bit and then pour another. they get a little run of but not too much. I honestly dont know if its overwater underwater

 

[FC89]

Could it possibly be because I didnt put enough soil in the beer cups? The soil level is pretty low, I didnt realize that with the water it would compact so much as I continued to water, They havent even grown out of the cups yet, still inside them. Should I trim the cups so that the soil level is just below where the cup cuts off? Any input is awesome guys. thanks

 

[FC89]

anyone?

 

[Seedling]

Dont think it would help to cut the cups, cant see how that would have any effect. What i would do is water a lot more when you do it, give them a good 500ml or something, make sure they are soaking and then you let them dry out for maybe 4 days depending on when they feel dry. No watering what so ever in between.

When you replant them make sure you use enough perlite so the soil doesnt get to compact, I had a little problem with my grow, leaves curling down, because the roots wernt getting enough oxygen due to compact soil... but to me yours look like underwatering, still something to keep in mind maybe...

Good luck mate.

 

[FC89]

thanks for the info seedling, I got another friends opinion who has a grow or 2 under his belt, he thinks its overwatering haha. So on the fence now between over and under watering. There isnt any perlite in my mix right now, so maybe they arent getting enough oxygen, I'm not to sure. How much is about 500mL of water? I watered them a little bit today so I think I'm gonna wait a bit to water. When I stick my finger into the soil, its damp but not wet

 

[Seedling]

If you dont use perlite then that could and probably is a contributing factor. I say let them dry out, no dampness when you stick your finger down and then give them a good watering. 500ml is same as a pint of beer or a medium sized American soft drink....