Famous Strains in Seed Form

[LumberJackJay]

Good Morning Guys (well its morning here )

I would like to ask for some information regarding a few strains that are available in the States. I know you guys have clones for the well known strains, but I do not have that luxury.

So what I would like to know is, which seedbanks offer the best versions of the following strains:

OG Kush
PRe-98 Bubba Kush
Sour Diesel
Girl Scout Cookies
Gorilla Glue #4
Afghan Landrace Kush or IBL Line
Hindu Kush
Master Kush
Northern Lights
Mendocino Purps
Cali-Orange (But I may just get Tangie to Suffice for this.)

And Please mark your suggestions with the following:

CP - Close As Possible to the Orignal Strain
SH - Stable Hybrid of the strain that you believe is a good Hybrid

I will be using these for breeding purposes, so if possible I'd like only regular seed suggestions. If regular is not available, Feminized is my only option so suggest them too but please state which it is.
If you have any other Indica strain suggestions feel free to add them to your post.

I know there are sub forums for a few of these strains, but I would like the info for all of them on a single thread for future reference.

Thanks in Advance for the help guys

One Love

 

[bigbadbiddy]

Ho boy....

long story short: You won't get around doing some research yourself mate.

OG Kush:
As it rose to prominence, so did those offering it. This literally cannot be answered as there is too much out there.
I personally narrowed it down to:
- Karma Genetics
- Bohdi
- Rare Dankness (although this seems debatable)
- Connoisseur Genetics
- Archive

I am also forgetting one or two I am sure.
These banks also should allow you to find Sour Diesel, GSC and such. Basically everything based on Chemdawg.
Fore "purer" versions, there seems to be only Reservoir Seeds which are laden with bad karma and old as fuck.


I think pre98 Bubba Kush I saw somewhere in the ACE/Cannabiogen collective (both are very reputable breeders). They also should be able to afford you with any landrace strains you desire and "pure" stuff (i.e. not very crossed/hybridized strains).

Kush and NL I would suggest Mr. Nice. But there should be many good offerings out there in that direction.

GG#4 is still clone only as far as I know. At least I think none of the seed lines out there have been verified yet to be the real deal.


Anyway, this is just my personal impression and after my research.

Just take OG Kush for example:
Wait for it and you will hear the suggestions for Kosher Kush and other DNA, Dinafem and that sort of offerings.

"Breeders" I wouldn't touch with a seven foot pole.

But that is all personal preferences and opinions etc.

 

[Backwash]

For pure afghans go for tom hill's x18 or Deep Chunk both IBL's.
I dont know if this seeds are in stock somewhere,but few years back sboutique had them.

 

[Stumpytaco]

Might want to look into Relentess. They have a forum here and offer a lot of what you are asking about. Can also find them instagram with an easy search.

 

[LumberJackJay]

Ho boy....

long story short: You won't get around doing some research yourself mate.

OG Kush:
As it rose to prominence, so did those offering it. This literally cannot be answered as there is too much out there.
I personally narrowed it down to:
- Karma Genetics
- Bohdi
- Rare Dankness (although this seems debatable)
- Connoisseur Genetics
- Archive

I am also forgetting one or two I am sure.
These banks also should allow you to find Sour Diesel, GSC and such. Basically everything based on Chemdawg.
Fore "purer" versions, there seems to be only Reservoir Seeds which are laden with bad karma and old as fuck.


I think pre98 Bubba Kush I saw somewhere in the ACE/Cannabiogen collective (both are very reputable breeders). They also should be able to afford you with any landrace strains you desire and "pure" stuff (i.e. not very crossed/hybridized strains).

Kush and NL I would suggest Mr. Nice. But there should be many good offerings out there in that direction.

GG#4 is still clone only as far as I know. At least I think none of the seed lines out there have been verified yet to be the real deal.


Anyway, this is just my personal impression and after my research.

Just take OG Kush for example:
Wait for it and you will hear the suggestions for Kosher Kush and other DNA, Dinafem and that sort of offerings.

"Breeders" I wouldn't touch with a seven foot pole.

But that is all personal preferences and opinions etc.

Thanks for the suggestions bigbad

I do actually follow all of the above mentioned companies on IG, but I prefer personal experience from a few growers who can verify what i've been researching.

I already know most of the seedbanks to avoid from personal experience as well as reading up on here. I just wanted to get a general consensus on which banks to trust. As I said in my first post, I wanted to have a single thread for these specific strains so I have somewhere to refer to when purchasing seeds in the future

For pure afghans go for tom hill's x18 or Deep Chunk both IBL's.
I dont know if this seeds are in stock somewhere,but few years back sboutique had them.

Deep Chunk has been on the wishlist for a while now, even a hybrid with DC would suffice.

Might want to look into Relentess. They have a forum here and offer a lot of what you are asking about. Can also find them instagram with an easy search.

I follow Relentless already and really enjoy the feed, do you know which OG cut he used as a base or not?

Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys keep em coming

One Love

 

[need4weed]

2 posts and you want to breed wth all the big names. Seems to me you just want make hacks of other people's work which has already been done a gazillion times. Try researching yourself rather than everyone doing the leg work for you and of you are going to breed to distribute seeds then try making some new unreleased hybrids.
I take it you are not new around here. Whats your old handle ?

 

[baduy]

Alpine seeds got OG Kush Lemon Larry and Sweet chunk, not tested myself but it's a good seedbank with a very small catalogue which is good( To me it goes just like with restaurants the more limited the menu the best wll be your dinner,Given the legal situation I don't believe a seedbank can work with 20+ strains without any shortcut)
The real seed company has Mazar I Sharif Afghan Landrace S1

 

[Grojak]

Well if it's breeding you're into I'd stick with the true breeders, the geniuses who have cultivated the era we're in now. Try some TGA and some Riot gear can't go wrong with Greenhouse or Sensi Seeds either!!

 

[bigbadbiddy]

Well if it's breeding you're into I'd stick with the true breeders, the geniuses who have cultivated the era we're in now. Try some TGA and some Riot gear can't go wrong with Greenhouse or Sensi Seeds either!!

Here we go ...

 

[mr.brunch]

 

[Dankwolf]

I have 10 year old sour d f5s and some 10 -15 year old cali-o f? seeds . cant help past that i have not purchased seeds in a long time .

 

[Easy7]

People have moved on to bigger and better. There are some classic varieties that have made their way into crosses. Go for those. If I knew I could grow out the seeds, I could spend 1k domestically easily. Green crack x fruity pebble OG F2 sound like a classic?

So may great genetics out there.

 

[LumberJackJay]

2 posts and you want to breed wth all the big names. Seems to me you just want make hacks of other people's work which has already been done a gazillion times. Try researching yourself rather than everyone doing the leg work for you and of you are going to breed to distribute seeds then try making some new unreleased hybrids.
I take it you are not new around here. Whats your old handle ?

I have been breeding landrace Sativa's for the past 5 years, I would like to cross these into well known strains for future medical purposes and to see how well my own genetics transfer. It has nothing to do with the work or effort as you assumed, it actually has to do with the documentation of the strains I've mentioned, these have a huge database of grow reports that I will look up to compare traits with my own hybrids. They also have tests and documentation on medical purposes too, which will come in handy for me when I become a provider.

If we are going to throw stones in a glass house pretty much every strain made today has in some way used another breeders work from the past. So don't assume I'm one of those gazillion bench breeders you mentioned who just steal genetics and other peoples work to rehash as their own, I have a pretty good idea of what I'm trying to achieve.

I have 10 year old sour d f5s and some 10 -15 year old cali-o f? seeds . cant help past that i have not purchased seeds in a long time .

Before you can talk dirty too me like that you have to buy me dinner

People have moved on to bigger and better. There are some classic varieties that have made their way into crosses. Go for those. If I knew I could grow out the seeds, I could spend 1k domestically easily. Green crack x fruity pebble OG F2 sound like a classic?

So may great genetics out there.

As I said above, its got nothing to do with popularity. There are other strains to look at, the one's I've mentioned are just to sift through the thousand variations of these strains available to find the close as possible pheno to the original cuts OR suitable hybrids that have been suggested.

My end game is to find these varieties to use in test breeding with my own strains to see how well they transfer. Each has a purpose, Like OG Kush has been said to be Dominant when breeding, I want to see how well it mixes with my strains to test the dominance or recessiveness of my own. Some Are for terps, some are for potency, Etc. and to test these theories I need good base seeds to start with.

 

[Dankwolf]

People just dont understand breeding this day in age . every one is just crossing best elite with best elite trying to make the next best elite this is not breeding in my opinion . i for one belive it takes atleast 5 years of working a project to even be considered breeding . i have a hawian x blueberry x sour d project i have been working for 10 + years ( on the back burner at moment) and am still not satisfied to call it my own . i am working on strain preservation because i am scared of all this breeding and where it will lead to . if evry one just keeps crosssing everything we are going to end up with all the same stuff going and that would suck . sorry for the rant

 

[need4weed]

People just dont understand breeding this day in age . every one is just crossing best elite with best elite trying to make the next best elite this is not breeding in my opinion . i for one belive it takes atleast 5 years of working a project to even be considered breeding . i have a hawian x blueberry x sour d project i have been working for 10 + years ( on the back burner at moment) and am still not satisfied to call it my own . i am working on strain preservation because i am scared of all this breeding and where it will lead to . if evry one just keeps crosssing everything we are going to end up with all the same stuff going and that would suck . sorry for the rant

I think most people can agree with this. The way I look at the scene is that the dutch were the pioneers, they actually worked landrace genes to ibl and did a lot of testing and selecting in those early hybrids. But then they just rehashed the same old strains and it became a melting pot of genetics. That was the beginning of the end for that golden era of dutch cannabis. Now the tables have turned and northern America are now in the same position as the dutch were in the 80's and 90's. They have some top notch stuff but if you look at all these elites they are actually old school strains and now every man and his dog are trying to cash in on them by hybridising fucking everything. My belief is if you want to create elites you need to go back to the drawing board. There are plenty of landraces about just not commercial as the market demands glitter weed

 

[LumberJackJay]

People just dont understand breeding this day in age . every one is just crossing best elite with best elite trying to make the next best elite this is not breeding in my opinion . i for one belive it takes atleast 5 years of working a project to even be considered breeding . i have a hawian x blueberry x sour d project i have been working for 10 + years ( on the back burner at moment) and am still not satisfied to call it my own . i am working on strain preservation because i am scared of all this breeding and where it will lead to . if every one just keeps crossing everything we are going to end up with all the same stuff going and that would suck . sorry for the rant

I agree 110% with this post. Let's get back to basics with genetics and how we use them. Put in 5-10-15-20 years of back-crossing, out-crossing and inbreeding to get our OWN desired traits. Then label the strains as our own. Let's breed traits and possible genetic influences, not just on a name to name basis. I believe there is a place in breeding for a lot of over hyped strains, however there has to be clear purpose and ingenuity in doing so. Bring in something of your own, but don't plan on these hybrids being your bread and butter when everyone else has half your genetics too. Create your own hybrids with your own sourced strains, then see how they could blend with the vendors variety too.

I want you guys to understand that whilst this is a bit contradictory to some of you, what you think I plan to do with these strains is incorrect. For a quick example:

OG Kush X Swaziland Haze F2 (AKA Midnight Haze)

OG - Molds easily
Midnight H - Doesn't mold even when growing through frosty mornings

OG - Gas, Lemon
Midnight H - Mint, Pine

OG - Big Calyxes
Midnight H - Small Calyxes

OG - 8 Weeks Flowering
Midnight H - up to 11 Weeks Flowering

OG - Dense Flowers
Midnight H - Airy Flowers

Some of these traits might be incorrect for the OG, but this is just as an example. I have documented my own strains traits, and have matched or went for opposite in certain traits. These will then be pheno hunted for the best possible expressions of my desired traits and locked in with a few years of line breeding.

I do not plan to commercialize any time soon, and any releases before then will be on a private basis. Just so we get this clear, I am not a fly by grower. I plan to be around for many years to come, and to showcase my own desires with this magnificent plant.

One Love

 

[Dankwolf]

I think most people can agree with this. The way I look at the scene is that the dutch were the pioneers, they actually worked landrace genes to ibl and did a lot of testing and selecting in those early hybrids. But then they just rehashed the same old strains and it became a melting pot of genetics. That was the beginning of the end for that golden era of dutch cannabis. Now the tables have turned and northern America are now in the same position as the dutch were in the 80's and 90's. They have some top notch stuff but if you look at all these elites they are actually old school strains and now every man and his dog are trying to cash in on them by hybridising fucking everything. My belief is if you want to create elites you need to go back to the drawing board. There are plenty of landraces about just not commercial as the market demands glitter weed

I am doing my part . so far i got 70s red string Thai stick seeds 1 in 10 viable, #21 haze i belive from late 70s maybe early 80s, some old not sure on viability but stored same as 70s Thai,(dj short?) blueberry sativa from oregon coast teste like vinila chocalate and white pepper, black burmmese x crown royel ,the older cali-o and many other late 80s to early 90s elites in seed form not crossed out pure like they were ment to be . i plant to do a open pollination with the older genetics to create pure stock . also am doing my best to locate many other land race strains . i am still looking for

afircan ( i have cotton candy at the least)(black sativa. From afircan desiered if it exeist),

congo (life long search for a pure black congo sativa ),

afgani ibl (i have afgooye at the least) .

i have no interest in presurving kush any thing or hemp lol

 

[810FireFarm]

OG - Archive, Karma, Dare Dankness
Bubba- Cali Connection, Bodhi
Sour Diesel - Karmas ' Headbanger'
Purps- Kens GDP
hindu/masster - Mr. Nice
Orange- Crocektt Tangie

GG and Cookies hybrids are around but i havent seen them personally, i keep clones of orig. GG4 and Forum Cookies however

 

[Grojak]

I am doing my part . so far i got 70s red string Thai stick seeds 1 in 10 viable, #21 haze i belive from late 70s maybe early 80s, some old not sure on viability but stored same as 70s Thai,(dj short?) blueberry sativa from oregon coast teste like vinila chocalate and white pepper, black burmmese x crown royel ,the older cali-o and many other late 80s to early 90s elites in seed form not crossed out pure like they were ment to be . i plant to do a open pollination with the older genetics to create pure stock . also am doing my best to locate many other land race strains . i am still looking for

afircan ( i have cotton candy at the least)(black sativa. From afircan desiered if it exeist),

congo (life long search for a pure black congo sativa ),

afgani ibl (i have afgooye at the least) .

i have no interest in presurving kush any thing or hemp lol

Yes... I am into preservation and creation but I tend to favor old school, been working Dynamite x Bubblegum for 4 years now, Chem x BG also. I'd love a peak into your garden and seed vault I'll bring my snips and some baggies for seeds lol. It's funny I've not made anything using GSC or GG#4 just not a bandwagon type, of course I've grown them had to see what all the hype was but I've bred with ATF and old school sativa Blueberry, Apollo 11, Double Purp Doja, Gods Gift old(er) school stuff I consider great building blocks. Working a Straw Cough project now. Got that old school turpentine Sensi Star dying to get dusted think I've found the mail that'll hit her

 

[Dankwolf]

Og would complement your swazy well ? Pine lemon mint gas ) sounds good

Og would complement your swazy well ? Pine lemon mint gas ) sounds good

Fire og regon cut
Pm prone , lemon pinesol taste and smell a little skunky wile growing , slow in veg ,hard to clone , 10+ week flowering , small dens nugs inDoor and outdoor .tempermental with nutes and over /under watering, did not like to be trained , woody round stems lanky growth . will not grow again.would not use for any breeding .