F12 Romulan

[Brother_Monk]

So a good friend from way back in the OG days, ran into me here. This friend bestowed a few gifts upon me. Including 5 beans of some Federation Romulan F12's. Which will be the highlight of this thread. I'll get right to the pics. That's what everyone mostly wants anyhow.

The one on the far left is flopped over. This one almost died. Out of the 5 beans, only one did not germinate.

Here they are a week later under the twin 2700K floros.

So, in place of the one that didn't make it.....

And last but not least...this friend sent along some C99 F3's he made. Unfortunately, only one sprouted. The other four cracked...but never sprouted tails. So he promised to send some F4's when he gets around to another batch. Here it is at 3 weeks veg. It started it's life very slowly...being the only survivor of 5.

Here it is a week later

Here are the roms at the present time. 2 weeks from sprout. This first one is the one that almost died. I nursede it back from the brink. For 3 days it was laying on the soil, limp. I kept propping it back up with a toothpick, and lightly misting, until finally it renewed it's will to live.

Hope you enjoy! I'll update weekly, or whenever I dam well feel like it!

Peace
BM

 

[ReeferCat]

just popped 6 fed rom into some coco pods. glad to see that your plants look nice and healthy and do not exhibit any oddities others have.

Look forward to your updates

 

[SensiMilla024]

just a quick question on the F12.

Ok, so if the Romulan was crossed with another strain (IBL) then it would

be considred a hybrid F1, correct?

So all an F12 would be is the homogenous crossed with itself only

to the 12'th generation? Which in turns would mean that there is very

slight variations in plant's phenotypes??


Sorry If I'm completely wrong. . . .Just started doin homework on breeding. . .

 

[Brother_Monk]

just a quick question on the F12.

Ok, so if the Romulan was crossed with another strain (IBL) then it would

be considred a hybrid F1, correct?

So all an F12 would be is the homogenous crossed with itself only

to the 12'th generation? Which in turns would mean that there is very

slight variations in plant's phenotypes??


Sorry If I'm completely wrong. . . .Just started doin homework on breeding. . .

I believe you would be correct. Fed Rom was released as an F11. At least that's what I was told when I was gifted these beans. So it is very stable. If you crossed it with a true IBL, it would be considered an F1 hybrid. I don't think it is considered a landrace yet, as such, it needs to be brought, to I think the F20th generation? I'm not sure about this tho so don't quote me. Perhaps I will dust a little pollen(as long as I get a male) on OGBubs Skunk IBL and make my first F1 hybrid. I have 2 phenos of that.

Peace
BM

 

[SensiMilla024]

I believe you would be correct. Fed Rom was released as an F11. At least that's what I was told when I was gifted these beans. So it is very stable. If you crossed it with a true IBL, it would be considered an F1 hybrid. I don't think it is considered a landrace yet, as such, it needs to be brought, to I think the F20th generation? I'm not sure about this tho so don't quote me. I will be making another bx with this so I can have a buncha beans. Perhaps I will dust a little pollen(as long as I get a male) on OGBubs Skunk IBL and make my first F1 hybrid. I have 2 phenos of that.

Peace
BM

hmm. . . .So Fed RomF11 seeds, during flower 1 male 1 female. Pollinate the

female with the P1(P2 being female) and that would yeild ~~~> Rom F12.

so then would you keep P1 and P2 to cross with the F12 to create F13 or

Take F12 Pp1 +Pp2(p1 male p1 female) to yeild ~~~~~~> F13?


So if you Took the resulting F13 generation seeds, grew them out and had

a nice female with excellent phenotypes. Took a Sturdy Male of the Skunk

IBL and pollinated the female Why wouldn't they give credit for the

RomulanF13 and call it F13RomxSkunkIBL instead of calling it RomxSkunk F1

hybrid??

thanks for helping me understand more clearly.

 

[Brother_Monk]

I will answer this question in open forum. But please...no more breeding questions in this thread. The breeders forum would be the appropriate place for those types of questions.

In all fairness to the original breeders, If I have a P1 and P2 from these beans and crossed them, because I am not the original breeder, technically I am making an F1 homogenous generation. Only because they are from a homogenous gene pool. That is why it is called an inbred line. There are no phenos to discover. They are known. All of the selection process is already past.At the most, there will be 2 or 3 phenos, varying slightly. I am not backcrossing because that is used to isolate a particular trait. There is no need for that here.
I don't have the original parents or siblings used to make this strain. All the work has already been done for me.

This is how I break it down. Federation Romulan was released as an F11 stabilised strain. My buddy grew them out, made his cross, bam! F12. I'm gunna grow these out, spew some pollen and make me some F13. That should clear things up for ya. Any other breeding questions, please post them in the appropriate forum. Thanks again.

Peace
BM

 

[beancounter]

hello folks, I might have been incorrect labeling these as F12s, infact, i think I was..

Infact, Federation backcrossed their Rom line (romulan clone x WW) to the ROmulan clone 11 times/gens.. I thought they jus inbred the line 11 times, but i assumed wrong.

If what i assumed was right, yes, they'd be F12.. But since they did bx instead, this would jus be an F2 of Fed's line.

Sorry about the confusion, and the plants look great BM! They are very stable for me so far, I have 2 in flower, and they're looking pretty nice.. When they're done i'll post some pics..

 

[Brother_Monk]

Well isn't that just dandy! Nice night to trash this thread even before it gets started. Thanks for clearing shit up BC.

 

[beancounter]

sorry brother monk, that wasn't my intent.. I think anybody can tell that it's not your fault, you were just going with the info that you were provided. As was I...


There's nothing wrong with the information regarding 'what' an F12 was/is, that's still correct..

I'm sorry bro, shit happens.. I jus didn't want the mistunderstanding to go on any longer, the misunderstanding that I caused.. I'll take my whips, there's no need to trash this thread, the plants are still romulan...

No body is perfect, and i think most people understand that. i apologize for my mistake.

 

[jaykush]

so your not going to finish them?

 

[Brother_Monk]

No, I am going to finish them. This thread will remain open. If I knew I could change the title of this thread, I would. As these specimens are not what they were professed to be. Anyways, I'm grateful to BC for gifting them to me and I'll do my best to do him justice. Being an official tester can be a hella job sometimes.

BC, your apology is acceptable, as I know you would not intentionally mislead me. And thanks for clearing up the mis-information. You have been a good friend for a while now.:friends:

Ok, so Federation backcrossed their Rom line (romulan clone x WW) to the ROmulan clone 11 times/gens....at least we know it's gunna be a stable specimen. Do we know which breeders version their WW daddy came from, or was it one of their own? I'll do a little digging and see what I can come up with.

So for future reference in this thread....[size=+4]These are NOT F12[/size]

They are technically F2's now, and I'll be making F3's. But I imagine they will still be stable.

Peace
BM

 

[Brother_Monk]

I think I found where you got your info from BC.

Romulan was created by a guy named Romulan Joe once known as Mendocino Joe who was one of the founders of the Trinity grow scene. Romulan is a mostly afghani hybrid not related to Sk#1. The strain is very popular in Canada and Texas. It is very popular with the marijuana medical scene because of it's potency for treating chronic pain. There are a few banks that carry the strain and it's hybrids. Federation had the original clone, and 97% pure seed form. Next Generation has many of Federation's strains including Romulan. Reeferman has Romulan and it's hybrids. Marc Emery used to have a Romulan x White Widow cross that was very popular. I have seen pics of this Rom/WW hybrid, and they are truly amazing with almost purple look, super thick buds, and with crystals all over the entire plant! Another hybrids that was popular was Romberry (Romulan x BlueBerry)with it's exotic taste and awesome purple colors! Subcool seeds has a C99 x Romulan cross called Space Queen.

In the old days whenever someone mentioned Romulan, the talk of California Blue Indicas comes up. I am not sure what Blue Indica means, but they get mentioned. I know Romulan is mostly of Afghan origin, but I would like to know what the other genetics of the plant are. Maybe there is a little Paki/Hindu Kush or Lebanese hashplant mixed in. General concensus says that it is not entirely Afghan, and that it has more sativa in it than a landrace Afghan or Hindu Kush. I am thinking that it is slightly under 15%-10% sativa. Since it has a lot of purple coloring, it may have a little Colombian Green, Red, or Black in it. There is talk of it maybe having a very little amount of mexican genetics in it as well, maybe Oaxacan. People tried to grow these late flowering equatorial sativas outdoors up north with little sucess until Afghan seeds arrived. That's my specualtion. It may have a little haze crossed in, but I think that Northern Lights has the claim on the multiple Afghan x (Afghan x Haze) cross. If anyone else knows what Romulan might be, please chime in.

Federation acquired a strain from Romulan Joe (A Vietnam Vet/East Bay Biker) from California and grew it on Vancouver island. It was given to them in clone form. I guess that Federation crossed it with White Rhino to get seeds. They backcrossed it 11 times backwards to the original clone. They favored backcrossed plants that were the largest & most robust while still finishing within 8 weeks flowering time. Federation's seeds are 97% like the orig clone. Now it has been inbred ever since, and it is good breeding material to cross other plants with.

The overall structure of the plant is short and stocky. They said it can get a very branchy compared to other afghan/indicas, and it isn't the best choice for SOG. The color of the buds and leaves are very dark green with a thick structure. Leaves are wide. The stems on the plant turn purple. I'd imagine that maybe other parts of plant will start to turn purp near the end of harvest time. The plant is pretty frosted in that some stems have crystals on them. The yields mentioned are 30g-60g per plant indoors, up to 250g outside. Since it is almost all indica and an IBL, it doesn't have hybrid vigor and the sativa stretch in flowering that other strains tend to have. I have seen growers get a little more yields out of the plant. Federation says Rom can foster mold near harvest time if you are in a humid environment.

Federation claims Romulan as it's strongest strain potency wise. It was nicknamed Romulan because "the high can put a dent in your head". Most people claim that the high is a little more clearer thinking than most indicas, but still strong enough to put your @ss down. The smells are pretty strong ranging from a pungent piney to an acrid fruity/pepper smell.

The strain is rather rare. Most of Federation's strains are rare. I am not sure if the company is even producing the popular ISS, Mikado, Cele Temple Sativa, Hawaiian Sativa, Romulan, and UBC Chemo. I wish they still had UBC Chemo as it is good for nausea/pain, but I see that JOTI has Chemo. I think that Federation still produces all of them, but not in huge quantities. Everyone says Fed strains are top quality, and are on most people's top ten for strains they's like to have. Other companies have similar seeds, but I am not sure if they are 100% the same. If you like indicas I suggest to pick up some seeds. If you can acquire the original Romulan cutting, PLEASE get it and take real good care of it!

DarkGreen

Seems like I won't be wasting my time with this strain. Iv'e been looking for something with very good pain killing properties. MK is the only thing to come close for me so far.

I'll keep researching this and other sites for more information. I'll keep updating as I dig up more.

Peace
BM

 

[Diego]

nice looking grow will be watching for the final product pics here for sure. I was up in the berkeley area and being from san diego wanted to go to one that I knew always had goods, like sd, og and bubba, but when I got there to my surprise the best nugs there were the romulan nugs, they were cheaper with better flavor and resin content and had a special look to them that I have only seen on Romulan. The trichrome production was comparible to the better trainwrecks, but the flowers themselves were hard crusted and had a pink hue to them that I have only seen on this pheno of Roms.

 

[10k]

moving thread to indoor soil per request from brother monk

 

[Brother_Monk]

Hey there Diego , thanks for stopping by. I can't be absolutely sure if I have ever smoked Romulan. You know how it goes....most dealers never have a name for shit. They just call it really good bud. At least that's how they did it back in the 70's and 80's when I first started smokin'. I do remember, however, a very nice type of bud going around, that we used to call "Christmas Tree". The buds were sticky as all can be, and the smell was overpowering pine. The nugs weren't dense, but they were soft and hairy. The taste was like pine-sol (not that i've ever tasted the shit) and the high was a creeper that kept coming. Once it had you, it really had you. Kinda stupifying is how I could describe it.

But anyways, you mentioned you live in SanDiego.....I lived near there when I was a child. Being a Navy brat, we moved around lots. SanPedro, SanFrancisco, Longbeach. I think we even spent a few months in Fresno. I almost wish I was still there sometimes. Growing up near the ocean was a blast...Good Memories! At least if I lived there, it wouldn't be such a PITA to grow meds. Or I could just go to my local med club and pick up some new cuts whenever I felt like it. That would be the cats meow.

Peace
BM

 

[Brother_Monk]

Thanks again 10K:friends:, I don't know what I was thinking posting this thread in the Hydro forums. Proly cause I'm mostly a hydro kinda guy. But I almost always test out new strains in soil lately. Glad you're around when we need ya bro!

Peace
BM

 

[DarkGreen]

def interested in seeing how those babies turn out. This spring will be the first with Romulan for me, so I am interested in this thread. I hope that Rom measures up to the hype that I've read. Keep it up man.

 

[Brother_Monk]

Hey DarkGreen , glad you could stop by. Interesting read there from that quote I got from you. You seem to know quite a bit about this strain. Can I ask where you got the information from?

Pull up a chair, I'll be bringing these girls as far as I can. By spring you will know how these specimens perform in my garden. I'm sure they will more than double what I can do, once put under the big halide in the sky.

Anyone growing this strain is welcome to post pics or info to this thread. Reefercat, you are more than welcome, once your beans sprout, to put up comparison pics.

Remember, my beans are a couple years old. They may not be from the same stock as recent purchases are. I'm not even sure if these are from a White Widow or a White Rhino 11X backcross.

Peace
BM

 

[DarkGreen]

Hey BM....Most of this info is a compilation from a variety of sources. There was some info on another site UK420 that lists a number of strains from N.America and their characteristics. I also put some info in from the Big Book fo Buds Vol I. And there was a post awhile back in a "What is Skunk?" thread that talks about early breeders and what they made. One topic was about Rom Joe, and his flagship creation "Romulan". And most seed breeders list Rommy as their medicine value strain.

I've never grown this strain, but I plan to do so here coming this spring. The dark green/purple growth had me intrigued, as well as it's powerful stone. Plus it is branchy, and I would like to take this one outside to let it bush out. Fed used to have a Rommy cross with UBC Chemo, and this was the one I would really have loved to get my hands on. I plan to cross the Rom with a number of strains for various reasons.

The Big Book of Buds lists the orig Rom cutting being crossed to the White Rhino, then backcrossed 11 times. So with that, they mention that it is now stable for breeding. I was aiming to get a few Afghani strains to work with, but since they are of low availability, I think that Romulan is not a bad choice at all.

So, I'll be watching this one to see how your flowers develop.

 

[Guest]

I have a few female Fed Rom's just starting flower now.. I thought they were short branchy plants? mine are pretty tall. Taller than all my other indicas..

I have to take a picture 2morrow, 1 of them is like 2 1/2 ft. tall at day 5 of flower and after 1 month of veg no side shoots strange as WW and WR both are very branchy.. anyway I will be checking out your girls for sure.. grow safe Silly..