Extraterrestials

[Crazy Composer]

I'm not sure of anything, but I'm much closer to believing hundreds of eye witnesses, family of mine, friends of mine, that have no reason in the world (universe) not te believe because they've seen with their own eyes.

I find suspect, any person who is so arrogantly certain about things he has no experience in. Believers have had things happen to them, or to people close to them that they refuse to call idiots, or nuts. Non-believers have no frame of reference at all, just opinions, and everyone's got those.

In my opinion, based on thousands of eye witnesses, some of which are my friends and family, the universe is teaming with life. For some people, finding this out is as terrible as a goldfish realizing, "Hey! I'm in a fucking bowl!" So their first response is to deny it. I understand this completely, as I sometimes wish I was kept ignorant of these things. But if something has come to light for you, there is no longer any doubt that you were meant to know it. If it hasn't come to light for you, you are either not ready, or are not meant to know it. Simple as that.

I have no problem at all with folks who refuse to believe this... I can understand. What I don't like is the type of mentality that makes fun of good people with different ideas or experiences. These types of people are what's wrong with the world, and they know it, which is why they keep getting more and more bitter about the world, and hence become even more wrong for the world. Self-perpetuating cycle, the same process that makes you have a bad day will give you a bad life. Getting off topic now, into karmic mathematics, etcetera.

Believers will not call you crazy, idiots, make fun of you for not believing. However, some non-believers will poke fun, try to discourage, and try to make believers feel like they should stop sharing what they know. This is exactly why the entire world isn't aware of this... too many aggressive folks with opinions based on lack of information. This will always be the case, unfortunately.

 

[Machine Elf]

How do you know the people telling you these things are not all mistaken? YOU are the one who was not there just as much as anyone else to witness the event. Hundreds of thousands of people can be very wrong. This is akin to all the christians and other religious peoples of the world come that to my mind in their mistaken belief in the existence of invisible statue gods.

Do any of these people you know see the aliens off the mother ship and have words of otherworldly insight or are they all stories of late night DMT night terrors of being visited? Or just other objects and lights in the sky?

Lights in the sky is MUCH different from alien visitors. Like I said before, USA gov has every able capability to create the effects of UFOs, among other more rational and provable explanations, such as ball lightning. UFOs are not aliens. I'll know they are aliens when I see aliens, but its 99.99999999999% not aliens.

 

[sirgrassalot]

I see masturbation is on the rise.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Try diverting some of the energy you expend debunking, on learning about the topic. If you did, and you were not already tainted by a pride that prevents you from admitting you might have been wrong, then you may begin to understand something more than what you know right now.

The fact is... those who know something about this have had their lives changed, which is why the only bad, accussatory attitudes tend to be from the debunker side of the argument. Those with enlightnment don't treat others in any way other than respectfully. Making fun of others is high school-like, and is an easily visible sign of ignorance on the topic.

Several hundred years ago, you would have been in the camp that called folks nuts for believing there was no edge of the world, that the world was in fact round. People died for going against the grain on this and other such long-held, erroneous beliefs.

I type without any anger, no hate, no disdain for anyone here, agree or not. I ask that the debunkers slow down to mere non-believers, which is much more respectable than being a debunker. If you had some proof that we were nuts, let's have it... if not, then you have only opinions.

Now, if the believers had only baseless opinions, they'd be a little nuts for bringing this shit up. However, since believers are basing their opinions on facts, experiences, the experiences of people close to them, the believers have MUCH more right to an opinion than those who just IMAGINE there's nothing to these thousands of very real experiences.

They're here, get over it. many people will read this who know this is true, most are smart enough not to get involved in this conversation. I'm just dumb enough to throw my name and experiences in this ring... but I can handle myself against the status quo types, and find this to be fun, constructive conversation.

Respect to all,
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[Crazy Composer]

BTW, in your search for the truth you will run across a great multitude of fake videos. You have to be smart enough to dillineate between what's real and what's not. If you can stick with it long enough, and find the right testimonials and evidence, and if pride isn't stopping you from learning, you will be astonished at what you will find out there.

 

[sirgrassalot]

Now if believers only had proof. I'd be glad to take a look at it. Lets also get something straight I don't think anyone posted they don't believe that other life forms exist in the universe or possibly may exist. It's space aliens that visit earth I have trouble with like most of the others in the know. You know the imaginary part opposed to the educated guess. When I go fishing I have pictures taken.

 

[Tokabowl]

Now if believers only had proof.

There has been proof for a while now, i highly recommend watching "The Disclosure Project":

On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218

PROJECT BACKGROUND

by Steven M. Greer, M.D.
[from the Executive Summary, Important Editorial Notice]

Beginning in 1993, I started an effort that was designed to identify firsthand military and government witnesses to UFO events and projects, as well as other evidence to be used in a public disclosure. From 1993, we spent considerable time and resources briefing the Clinton Administration, including CIA Director James Woolsey, senior military officials at the Pentagon, and select members of Congress, among others. In April of 1997, more than a dozen such government and military witnesses were assembled in Washington DC for briefings with Congressmen, Pentagon officials and others. There, we specifically requested open Congressional Hearings on the subject. None were forthcoming.

In 1998, we set out to "privatize" the disclosure process by raising the funds to videotape, edit, and organize over 100 military and government witnesses to UFO events and projects. We had estimated that between $2 million and $4 million would be needed to do this on a worldwide basis. By August of 2000 only about 5% of this amount had been raised but we decided to proceed since further delay was deemed imprudent given the serious issues involved here. So beginning in August we began creating the Witness Archive Project and we set about the task of traveling all over the world to interview these witnesses in broadcast quality digital video format. Due to the severe limitation of funds, this effort was predominantly prepared by myself and a few other volunteers roughly from August 2000 through December 2000.

Beginning in late December 2000, I began editing over 120 hours of raw digital video testimony at home. I should note that I am a medical doctor and not an editor. Nevertheless, from late December 2000 until late February 2001 the 120 hours were reduced first to 33 hours of select testimony and then 18 hours of super-select testimony. The 33 hours of select testimony were dubbed to audiotape and transcribed resulting in approximately 1200 pages of testimony transcripts. In March and early April, 2001 I edited these transcripts into a readable form, which appear herein.

I must emphasize that this has been done under the most severe time and funding constraints, working 7 days a week and mostly 18 hours a day. And I thought the Emergency Department was tough!

I share this only so the reader will understand that these transcripts and other materials are very likely to contain errors. These include likely errors in proper names arising from the phonetic spelling of such names directly from transcribed audio tapes of testimony. I apologize in advance for these.

The transcripts (that appear in the Briefing Document) have only been altered to correct for a) length and b) grammar and readability. I have assiduously avoided changing the meaning of testimony at all times. Statements in brackets [ ] are for clarification. Statements in italics and brackets [ ] reflect commentary on my part and are followed by my initials, SG.

These materials are, as you can now discern, only the tip of the iceberg of what we have recorded on digital videotape. That is, from over 120 hours of testimony by over 100 witnesses we transcribed only 33 hours and then further edited materials down to a fraction of that amount. Moreover, the full archive represents the testimony of only 100 witnesses of the more than 400 identified to date. The edited testimony will be appearing in book form. A portion of it appears in The Disclosure Project Briefing Document and only small excerpts and summary bios of testimony appear in this Executive summary. We hope in the future to secure funding for a 5-6 part broadcast quality video documentary series to be made from the videotaped testimony we have as the impact of hearing and seeing these witnesses speak is very moving.

As you read this testimony remember that it is indeed only the beginning. The rest is up to you: Call and demand that Congress and the President and the leaders of other countries hold hearings into this subject without delay. These witnesses welcome a subpoena so that they may officially testify under oath to what they have experienced and said here. Indeed, the most revealing testimony waits to be seen since the deepest sources are refusing to come forward until protected through official Congressional hearings.

This then brings me to my last point: The witnesses who have given testimony to date are extraordinarily brave men and women - heroes in my eyes - who have taken great personal risks in coming forward. Some have been threatened and intimidated. All are risking the ever-present ridicule that attends this subject. Not a single one of them has been paid for his or her testimony: It has been given freely and without reservation for the good of humanity. I wish to personally thank them here and extend to them my personal, highest respect and gratitude.

Please, I implore you not to let this effort and their sacrifice be in vain. Help us place this matter in front of the public, the media, and our elected representatives so that the full truth may be disclosed, so that those Earth-saving technologies now classified may be released, and so humanity may enter a new chapter in its evolution as one of many people in the cosmos.

This summary is focusing on the testimony of important first-hand witnesses. We have thousands of government documents, hundreds of photographs, trace landing cases and more, but it is impossible to include them in a summary of this length. These materials will be made available for any serious scientific or Congressional inquiry.

Steven M. Greer, M.D.
April 2001

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

 

[Crazy Composer]

Problem is... some people refuse to find out. Can't do anything about that.

 

[sirgrassalot]

I've seen that, I was looking for proof. We've blown by that in early pages & threads.

 

[ZoSo]

There was a thread about this guy a long time ago, back when I used to actually visit this site.

I remember it was pretty frustrating trying to debate with you nuts. Though I do enjoy the subject of alien races.

I certainly believe there is intelligent life out there. But I think you guys that believe they are here among us don't really comprehend exactly how big the universe is. Or the galaxy rather. The chance of one of them stumbling upon us is incredibly low. But what if I'm wrong, and they did? What would they do? Well, chances are they would do one of three things. They would destroy us(this is the least likely scenario, as warring societies would tend to destroy themselves before reaching interstellar travel, making them a minority among advanced races), try to establish diplomatic contact, or they would subscribe to a hands-off policy. One in which they may observe but they wouldn't let us know of their existence. The encounters and phenomena that UFO believers describe frankly seems amateurish to me. Why in the hell would they show themselves randomly like that? It just doesn't make any sense. To me, anyway.

There are so many things that we don't understand about our own planet and it's atmosphere. To automatically chalk every unexplained phenomena up as aliens is a bit irrational. The fact that people present these things as scientific evidence for the existence of aliens is laughable.


Going back to the "stumbling upon us" point. Our television signals have only been leaking out of Earth's atmosphere for about 70 years. That's a 140 light-year bubble around Earth in which we can be detected (with a big enough radio telescope). Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across. I'd give it a least another couple thousand years before anyone picks us up on their radar. Hopefully they'll come to meet us. I just wish I would be around to see it.

 

[OVERGROWA]

I BELIEVE IT!!!!WE'RE THE ONLY ONES?,THATS WHAT I DONT BELIEVE.

 

[HairlessCaveApe]

I've seen that, I was looking for proof. We've blown by that in early pages & threads.

So waddaya gotta touch one or something?

 

[Machine Elf]

Try diverting some of the energy you expend debunking, on learning about the topic. If you did, and you were not already tainted by a pride that prevents you from admitting you might have been wrong, then you may begin to understand something more than what you know right now.

The fact is... those who know something about this have had their lives changed, which is why the only bad, accussatory attitudes tend to be from the debunker side of the argument. Those with enlightnment don't treat others in any way other than respectfully. Making fun of others is high school-like, and is an easily visible sign of ignorance on the topic.

Several hundred years ago, you would have been in the camp that called folks nuts for believing there was no edge of the world, that the world was in fact round. People died for going against the grain on this and other such long-held, erroneous beliefs.

I type without any anger, no hate, no disdain for anyone here, agree or not. I ask that the debunkers slow down to mere non-believers, which is much more respectable than being a debunker. If you had some proof that we were nuts, let's have it... if not, then you have only opinions.

Now, if the believers had only baseless opinions, they'd be a little nuts for bringing this shit up. However, since believers are basing their opinions on facts, experiences, the experiences of people close to them, the believers have MUCH more right to an opinion than those who just IMAGINE there's nothing to these thousands of very real experiences.

They're here, get over it. many people will read this who know this is true, most are smart enough not to get involved in this conversation. I'm just dumb enough to throw my name and experiences in this ring... but I can handle myself against the status quo types, and find this to be fun, constructive conversation.

Blah blah blah

You didn't read a damn thing I wrote.

I've seen more UFOs than you ever will in you're whole life. I've investigated the "paranormal" for 21 years now. And I am sure I will have many more sightings and you will continue to not.

Problem is, ITS STILL NOT ALIENS CAUSING UFOS!

Until you have actual evidence otherwise, then you have nothing. This isn't debunking, its cold hard fact you can't seem to grasp in your fundamentalist brain. I've seen all the videos, all the pictures, heard all the stores, yeah yeah yeah. So which ones are real and fake like you seem to wish to arbitrarily ascribe? You are the scientific expert on photos and videos and all other things now huh? Because you have had third party people tell you stories about UFOs? Ever play that game *telephone*? Welllll purple monkey dishwasher.

They are not here, get over it. Think you can prove me wrong, show me the body. I have the documents, the blimps are out there, the drones are out there, the black ops are out there. Ball lightning is out there.

I used to think it was aliens too. I wanted to believe so badly. But its not true, its all just another lie and control scheme to keep you focused on more sky gods, just another religion for the gullible masses. No one sees aliens during the day and is abducted during lunch, it's always late at night while in bed and asleep, because whats really happening is a night terror or DMT/other drug induced hallucination or false memory. I do not find it odd at all that hardcore alien/UFO believer junkies are so akin to religious fundys and indeed make their belief in imaginary aliens as dear and important in daily life as false religions, and even use the same bunk "arguments" as religious folk toward rational critically thinking people who question the UFO religion person's belief.

 

[Miss Blunted]

Tom Cruise....can anyone explain that? It's pretty narrow thinking to believe we are all there is.

 

[GMT]

Miss Blunted, we aren't saying they don't exist, put it this way, you exist and I exist, but I've never been to vissit you. If I spent my whole life vissiting other people, the odds of me stumbling accross your house is very slim. And there are far more stars out there than there are houses on earth. Aliens coming here is less likely than me vissiting your house. That's the arguement us sceptics are making. And its perfectly possible for me to vissit your house, we havent even established that aliens exist, its probable that they do, but not proven, its possible that they could travel here, but thats not proven, yet I still haven't been to your house.

 

[Feyd]

so much retardation in this thread

 

[Crazy Composer]

Yeah, some people won't believe it until an alien species knocks on their door and offers a ride on their ship. And some people here still wouldn't believe.

It's not my problem. We offer you insight into something fantastic, but real. Any new idea is fantastic before it's mainstream.
All you have to do is:
#1 look into these things with an open mind.
#2 have even the slightest trust in others.

Over and over again debunkers with ZERO knowledge of the topic (which is the only way a person ends up being a debunker by the way), tell eye witnesses they didn't see what they saw. What RIGHT do you have to tell these thousands of cops, airline pilots, fighter pilots, astronauts, farmers, mill workers, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters that they didn't see what they KNOW they saw? I'm sorry, but you have no right to make these people out to be fools who can't make out what their eyes see. I understand being in a position of not knowing, but some people go beyong not knowing, to being SURE all these eye witnesses are mistaken, or lying. They're seeing flares, hoaxes, anomalies in the sky. Some are for sure anomalies, hoaxes, and such, but many are real, and only one needs to be real to prove the entire thing.

My point here is not to convince anyone that we are being visited, but that if you don't believe it, maybe you should look into it before resorting to amateurish name calling. All you're doing is discouraging people from coming forward with their experiences, perpetuating the silence that keeps the public ignorant of the truth.

Machine Elf, Paranormal researcher huh? That's quite a claim. Especially since anyone in that field for real is usually saying the exact opposite of what you believe. Why would they dedicate 20 years of life to something they don't believe in? And BTW, many abductions are not during sleep, they're right from roadsides, in the woods, and other places that totally discount your hopeful theory that it's all due to night terrors. And also, these people who have these experiences think theories like yours are rediculous. But who are they to have an opinion right? They only experienced it first-hand.

You asssume much in saying you have seen more UFOs than I will ever see, and that I will continue to not see them. DO you know what I've seen? You must be quite a powerful human to be able to know what I've seen and so quickly be able to compare yours and my experiences. Have you seen more than my dog? You must know that too, right? How about my chickens? What have they seen? This skit has gotten silly.

 

[HairlessCaveApe]

I seenem at round 2:30 pm on a nice clear day. Then once again at round the same time of day. It was nice and clear again. It wasnt a "blimp, drone, blak ops, or ball lightning. Do ya believe theres elephants at the zoo? Their WAY fukkin big. And its REALLY unlikley theres one in your city. Check the zoo tho, I think theres one there. Ya might wanna touch it when ya get there. Im tellin ya its there. When ya get there will ya need to touch it so ya know its real?It seems that everybody who needs to touch the elephant is callin ME ignorant. Fukkin HILARIOUS! -It aint everybody so if it dont pertain to You please dont get upset. This is just here for all those who might think me and my mindset is ignorant.

 

[sirgrassalot]

Blah blah blah

Problem is, ITS STILL NOT ALIENS CAUSING UFOS!

Good post Elf.


The Bundy Aliens are proof enough for me.

 

[sirgrassalot]

Do ya believe theres elephants at the zoo?

Yeah but they live there they're not visiting from outer space.