Extinct Red Angola?
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Snow's Angola Red is simply a repro from LMN's Angolese, either via Brazilian Seed Co or someone else, so not as legit as some may expect like Tamalero pointed above.
LMN was renowned in the community because he used to gift seeds away to anyone with the condition his work will be never sold, only gifted. This is also why ACE didn't have permission to sell the Angolese x Thai seeds.
BSC obtained seeds from LMN and sold them without his permission as the scammer he also is.
I don't know about the pure Red Angola, but I've got a cut selected from that Red Angola x Thai released years ago and I've been working with it. It needs 14 weeks and looks and feels like a pure sativa. Its flowers are quite little and the trichomes are minuscule.
I'm still enjoying it. I'm going to make crosses with this cut
Drunken Buddha
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I'll let you all know in the next months. I have some Angola Red and Angola Poison seeds from 2015 that a member of the forum I was on at that time, SeedShare, sent me from Namibia, the country just south of Angola.
OHITS, his online handle, which is short for Out Here In The Sun, was a cool kid; half German and half Namibian. He worked in the computer world there and had a good grasp of weed genetics. His Angolan friends, probably nerds like him, sourced these varieties. I am planting both strains tomorrow here in Arizona where it is already 90F in my area at 3,000 ft elevation, a few weeks earlier than last year, 2023, the warmest on record. Oops....
I will definitely cross the bunch, as individual strains, and will have seeds to share for all you building blocks growers. Better yet, I am testing some 1984 Zacatecas Mexican strain seeds that the woman grower who had them last year succesfully germinated 5 females and one male. Unfortunately, because she thought that only female flowers (sinsemilla) were worthwhile, she tossed the male! I have some of the sfemale flower smoke and its mild and mellow. I had it tested and its 6% THC which is typical for seeded Mexican weed in the early 1980's.
If I can get even one male and one female, a new genetic building block will come to pass that could, well, you know, revolutionize a whole lot of new strains (varieties technically). Soon come.......
OHITS, his online handle, which is short for Out Here In The Sun, was a cool kid; half German and half Namibian. He worked in the computer world there and had a good grasp of weed genetics. His Angolan friends, probably nerds like him, sourced these varieties. I am planting both strains tomorrow here in Arizona where it is already 90F in my area at 3,000 ft elevation, a few weeks earlier than last year, 2023, the warmest on record. Oops....
I will definitely cross the bunch, as individual strains, and will have seeds to share for all you building blocks growers. Better yet, I am testing some 1984 Zacatecas Mexican strain seeds that the woman grower who had them last year succesfully germinated 5 females and one male. Unfortunately, because she thought that only female flowers (sinsemilla) were worthwhile, she tossed the male! I have some of the sfemale flower smoke and its mild and mellow. I had it tested and its 6% THC which is typical for seeded Mexican weed in the early 1980's.
If I can get even one male and one female, a new genetic building block will come to pass that could, well, you know, revolutionize a whole lot of new strains (varieties technically). Soon come.......
Drunken Buddha
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Bryce Canyon?
Nope - Angola......
Nope - Angola......
Verdant Whisperer
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Are you still looking for Angola Red?
Persianfarmer
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Howdy M!The Liamba imports have been always present among Portuguese growers. I got to know one through a forum who sent me seeds years ago.
LMN was actually calling one of his lines Angola Roja because of the red hair the plants were presenting, as opposed to the “verde aka green” phenotypes, so it should be the same genetics:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=24192
The compact, rounded and beefy plants shown at that thread must be 2nd generation plants or NLDxBLD hybrids of some sort like you've noted. Anyone who has grown any sativas before will notice that. LMN mentions they finish anywhere from 10 to 14 weeks, which doesn't match with the common flowering time for equatorial Africans.
Later he posted Angola Roja x Bangi plants that presented strong purple colored buds resembling his other Blueberry hybrids like JoTaKe or La Iguana (Nepal x Blueberry) and even faster finishing times were reported.
Here LMN posts a picture of Bangi here as well, but obviously an NLD x Pakistan Chitral F2 hybrid by the looks, so IMHO he's not the best reference to research on African genetics. I have the feeling he hibridized the old Africans very early in order to make them more appealing, since all his strains share this similar structure:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=528511&postcount=8
All this plants possibly derive from older African imports hybridized with some of the indicas he was using like Blueberry or Pakistan Chitral. Notice that LMN originally came from Galician area, in NW Coastal Spain, where one of the biggest comercial ports and common marijuana, hashish and cocaine smuggling hotspots for the whole Europe can be still found nowadays. African imports were very common until the 90s, when people started growing Dutch and hybrid seeds and never looked back into the longer flowering and less productive import sativas (same happened in California back then). This was also how I first encountered African weed and how I got interested on it, because of the regional heritage and legends around those. Many older people like Raco and even my father were often speaking about them and that certainly sparked an interest on me.
LMN shared a Green Angolese clone with Charlie Garcia when all were part of ACE. Charlie produced S1 seeds with it in order to preserve it (since the strain was lost after LMNs police bust) and this seeds made its way to Canada via Rainha Ginga. This along with BSC’s release was the only available source to LMN’s Angola.
It’s LMN himself on that same thread who speculated if Angola Roja originated the Punto Rojo, but we know that Panama, Venezuela and Colombian Cannabis were probably introduced from the Caribbean islands during the Panama channel or even before (there are records on Trinidad farmers growing seeds to be smuggled back to Trinidad to avoid British taxes during the colonies). What the Angolese Cannabis could have originate indeed is the Manga Rosa and other traditional Brazilian cultivars.
As for other Angolese strains, they used to be fairly common in NW Spain and Portugal coastal villages but became pretty rare lately, despite it’s one of the oldest Cannabis smoking cultures worlwide. I’ve been sourcing personally a bunch of them, after my dissapointment with the Angolese LMN that used to be sold by BSC. Alex sent a bunch of seeds to Luiz and they ended being sold, despite LMN always opposed himself to get his gear released by other seed companies.
One of the Angolese breeds is the Malanje Red and was collected by a friend who stayed there for some time and used to smoke with locals and save the bagseeds, I often call her a red line but because of the stalk and petiole color. Flowers get subtle colors in late flowering as well and after a few generations it has reached an impressive potency for an imported landrace, hitting 15% THC easily:
Another comes from Luanda and won’t turn purple or red on the stems, full green but very wispy as well and flowers for 16+ weeks just like the other, not just as potent but very similar anyway. Here grown indoors by a friend:
I have a third Angolese that came from bagseeds a portuguese friend saved, but I haven’t the chance to get through this one yet.
On the other hand, they all look and behave pretty much like other central african landraces I’ve grown before, like Ghana, Central African Republic, Ethiopian or Congo. Classic discreet terpenes, sesquiterpene dominating (piney, woody, pepper, spicy), foxtail open flower structure, stretchy and pretty long flowering.
When I have the chance I'll go through those and try to release some seeds, but I'm currently pretty busy testing Malawi Gold hybrids for a collaboration with Green Hornet's former breeder, since he has been planning a possible comeback.
Vibes.
Just wanted to thank you and show my appreciation for you taking the time to provide such detailed info and further expand my cannabis knowledge. Thanks again
Verdant Whisperer
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Angola Red the original cut may be extinct but there are plenty of anthocyanin rich landraces in angola still, i have a line i reproduced from EAG.
Hello yall and I hope I’m not late here, this will be my first reply to a thread on this forum. I see there’s some interest in liamba seeds. I just happen to live in Luanda and these come across everywhere. Here attached are some photos of my first plant I manage to get to flowering. My previous attempts ended up in disasters and dead plants caused by my poultry, my cat, my mother, an employee, and by strong winds, you name it.
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Verdant Whisperer
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Nice plant was there a male nearby it looks seeded, regardless the seeded buds have a special effect within themselves gratz on success.
Hi I had a hermaphrodite but I removed it before it could do damage. This actual plant went through some stress and gave one single seed last month. These pods don’t have any seeds in them, I collected a specimen for dissection.
Verdant Whisperer
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I have around 300 or 400 f2 angolas made from 2 males and 4 females when I make f3s eventually ide be down for trades ect but atm want those so I can do nice selection for f2 line had 10 seeds and 6 sprouted creamy mandarin smell is common with that line it's a dreamy clean citrus floral smell that gets sharper with age. I really love the line very unique thin and long yet elegant
Hi again, an update, YES it is seeded, I cut another specimen and opened those pods. I guess it was pólen that came with the wind, since people grow liamba in every yard as an ornamental plant. I guess I’m going to harvest early and leave a bud or two mature completely to get some seeds and bring new plants to life,
