thats right there is a way for everyone to get access to elites and not only that but seeds that are 100% genetically identical to there mother (the elite). drum roll..... http://www.sp.edu.sg/schools/cls/bioline_08.htm
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They are not seeds JDOG, It's called micropropagation and has been around for a while with other plants. Breeder Steve got the ball rolling and I believe accomplished his goal. In reality, with the right people and sterile equiptment it's not that hard with mj from what I hear but it's very labor intensive. The big problem and the main reason Steve didn't distribute was because their considered live plants and that's a big no no with some governments like the USA and European countries which alow sale of seeds but not live plants which these technically are. This would be a very easy way to distribute elite clones genetically identical to the mother if it was legal. It's like a clone smaller than a seed.
micropropogation is cloning on a cellular level and its nothing new. ive seen it discused here before, not only that its relativly easy to do with some experience and practice. hell its done at thousands of jr colleges all over the US lol. what is really cool is that you can encapsulate a nonzygotic embryo that will grow into an entire plant identical to its mother. then you can realtivly easily ship it around the world. just imagine how much of a benefit this is for breeders. say they create a seed that has unique traits instead of spending years to create an IBL and hopefully stabalize 90% of the traits (a good quality IBL) you can simply take a centimeter clipping of your mother steralize it, place it in a sterile growing medium, grow out plantlets (that little slice of plant can produce 1000 upon 1000 of articfical seeds) and encapsulate them in an artificial seed. they can last up to a year like this. dont get me wrong its not a super simple proces but anyone should be able to do it. and just imagine the profit for breeders that can produce seeds anytime, in massive numbers, and that promise 100% gauruntee that the plants genetics are 100% that of the mothers (hopefully and elite). you oculd easily charge a couple hundred dollars for a few seeds and it would be worth it cause you would know exactly what you were growing.
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I hope this catches on and becomes big. God only knows how much a pack of seeds would cost, but if I'm absolutely getting a representation of the mother, I'll pay (almost) whatever they ask.
thats why im suprised someone hasnt jumped on this a person could cruze around cali collecting elites then sell artificial seeds for whatever he wanted and people would pay. lets say he/she charges 200 for a pack of 5 seeds and from a 1cm clipping he can creat 1000 artificial seeds (extremly low you could probably make 10,000 artificial seeds from on 1cm clipping of the mother plant as with this technique you only need one cell to clone from). thats 40k from a 1cm cut of your plant.Lune TNS said:
besides that think about how it would benefit the community if we were able to go on a breeding site and trade our best genetics.
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grchmayday said:
I could be wrong but I thought the law stated that its only considered a plant if its got roots?
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schrooomy420
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It's tissue culture. Plain and simple. If anyone is really interested in the subject I would suggest getting a copy of Experiments in plant tissue culture second edition by John H. Dodds and Lorin W. Roberts ISBN 0-521-30478-4 Yes Breeder Steve was trying to work on this subject. However it was Chimera whom came up with it and pitched the idea to Steve. Chimera as most of us knows is a doctor of genetics and just does the cannabis breeding on the side. Yes legally a plant is not a plant without roots. What that link shows is artificial embryos suspended in a helix matrix. Now the problem that the folks who were working on doing this with cannabis ran into was that the undifferentiated gene in cannabis is in the cotyledon. That would be all fine and good if growing from seed, but elite clones have no cotyledon. It would be like cloning a leaf, you can do it and the leaf with grow roots, but it will never be able to grow a stem or floral formations. So, sorry to burst everyone bubbles, but this technology relating to cannabis is still not possible. Peace
It's no different than sending clones around...Both are illegal so I don't see the purpose of something "labor intensive" since clones are easy to take and also easy to ship...I would imagine both can be kept in the dark for about the same amount of time before dyeing....And if we get world-wide legalization then we could just send legal clones instead of something that is harder to do...
I still think the process is really cool,just not that many applications at present with the current leagality problems..
Take care and grow safe................................................CC
I still think the process is really cool,just not that many applications at present with the current leagality problems..
Take care and grow safe................................................CC
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How can sending clones be illegal when a clone has no roots and therefore its not legally a plant? Unless they try to get you on the tiny levels of THC within the plant matter and charge you with possession but that would be the epitome of retardedness
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GhostToker said:
epitome of retardedness > i'm laughing my ass off at that one.
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The same way sending MJ seeds is illegal. Theres specific laws regarding the postal mailing of any plant material. Especially when it comes to labeling [ with scientific name ] and indentification/introduction into foreign ecosystems.
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schrooomy420 said:
thats not true. explants can be take from various areas on a fully grown cannabis plant as seen here in a lab report of a succesful cannabis tissue culture. http://www.ib.uj.edu.pl/abc/pdf/47_2/145-151.pdf
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GhostToker said:
Well they do it everyday all across america, possesion of any plant matter is illegal as it contains thc period. In my state cultivation is no different than possesion therefore a single mj leaf is enough to press charges of possesion.
well considering that you can purchase artificial seeds of other types of plants and have them mailed to you i dont see that it would be a problem with cannabis. this technology isnt new. orchid breeders and breeders in general have been using artificial seeds for a long time. the technology just hasnt been applied to cannabis.JDOG6000 said:
