electric bills

[blazeoneup]

As stated above and as I understand, 220 is more efficient than 120. Less energy is lost in the transmition of the 220 than the 120. This efficiency is why 220 will lower your bill. It won't be by much, but 220 will lower your bill. I promise as I have converted just over a year ago and have seen the slight drop.

My job, well I am also an electrical engineer at a coal burning power plant.

Don't tell me that 220 won't do anything. 220 is more efficient than 120 and therefore less energy is used.

The way that works is 220 is only going to be more effecient then 110 if your 110 is running hot or your running over the 80% reccomended safe usage concept, Which then it would be resulting in loss of energy, But if your keeping with the 80% safe usage reccomendations this loss isnt noticable and at worst is nothing but pennies per month. And it goes the same way for 220 if your running over the 80% reccomended safe usage using 220 you will see the same loss in energy. 800watts isnt running over the 80% safe usage concept unless he has a shitload of other stuff running from that same outlet or they have multiple outlets on the same breaker/line. So yeah if he is running over the 80% reccomend safe usage concept then yeah he would save a little by converting otherwise its useless to convert.

Here you guys are telling a 800 watt grower to convert to 220 so he can save some money. LMFAO

What is he going to save? 50cent to a buck per month? At the cost of what? Im sure it would cost him a few $$$ just to convert over to 220 and the small ammount of savings he would get from doing so would take him a long time to make up for just the cost of having the 220 installed.

That little bit of power loss is only going to show difference in a major grow I would say of 5-10k or better. So for you guys to jump in tell a 800 watt grower to convert to 220 so he can save some $$$ is silly really it is! You want him to convert his ballast over to 220 first off, Then have 220 installed into his home as well and its supposed to save him enough to make a difference? Yeah right feed that to someone who doesnt know better.

Don't tell me that 220 will save an 800 watt grower enough $$$ to even be remotely worth while.

 

[outofpublicside]

take a look at your electricity meter. i have had a bad meter a year ago, its just rolled and rolled constantly. even when i shut off all the circuit breakers.
the electric company changed it to a new digital one, now my electric bills are lower then those before the meter fucked up(if i dont count in my grow op. electric consumption). if you have one of those old shit, i would get somehow a new digital meter, iam sure it will count a lot.

 

[gladysvjubb]

Definitely look for ways to cut your consumption. I switched to CFL's in 1990. At that time I calculated a savings of $50 per month. My whole place is CFL's including the outside floods. Do the switch, they even have the daylight ones now, which I enjoy.

 

[PALADIN]

electric rates

electric rates

try checking if your co-op has different rates based on time of use....some do and you can flower from midnite to noon or 10 pm tp 10 am....sometimes afternoon usage rates are much higher your electric company should have this info and this can make a difference.....

 

[gladysvjubb]

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[Guest]

The way I cut my bill is to go from 24/0 during veg to 18/6. Then I only go a maximum of 5-6 weeks in veg, and force flower in 12/12. The best way to save is to cut back on veg time, but you will cut back on yield also.

Holy...cut your veg to 5-6 weeks????

I veg for 10 days and get almost 1.7-1.9 lbs per 1000w.

Try growing more small plants with minimal veg time and cut out at least 4 weeks of your veg.

Your household bulbs will make little difference by growing usage standards. Best to cut down on things like the microwave and electric stove to make a real dif. Go to the laundry mat also.

I cook 4 out of 5 of my meals on a bbq. Mostly because I like to grill all my meat but it makes a large dif. I also don't watch TV unless I rent a dvd. Mostly because TV shows and ads disgust me but that is like running a 1000w bulb or more depending what you have for a TV.

In Canada and Europe our standard is 240 volt unlike the 120v in the US. We can easily run 240v here without splitting the volts.

The more voltage you have available, the less current you need to achieve the same power. Drawing half the amperage does in fact will reduce your e-bill. I doubt you have available 240v tho if you are in the States unfortunately. I don't think splitting will have the same effect.

 

[Guest]

The way that works is 220 is only going to be more effecient then 110 if your 110 is running hot or your running over the 80% reccomended safe usage concept, Which then it would be resulting in loss of energy, But if your keeping with the 80% safe usage reccomendations this loss isnt noticable and at worst is nothing but pennies per month. And it goes the same way for 220 if your running over the 80% reccomended safe usage using 220 you will see the same loss in energy. 800watts isnt running over the 80% safe usage concept unless he has a shitload of other stuff running from that same outlet or they have multiple outlets on the same breaker/line. So yeah if he is running over the 80% reccomend safe usage concept then yeah he would save a little by converting otherwise its useless to convert.

Here you guys are telling a 800 watt grower to convert to 220 so he can save some money. LMFAO

What is he going to save? 50cent to a buck per month? At the cost of what? Im sure it would cost him a few $$$ just to convert over to 220 and the small ammount of savings he would get from doing so would take him a long time to make up for just the cost of having the 220 installed.

That little bit of power loss is only going to show difference in a major grow I would say of 5-10k or better. So for you guys to jump in tell a 800 watt grower to convert to 220 so he can save some $$$ is silly really it is! You want him to convert his ballast over to 220 first off, Then have 220 installed into his home as well and its supposed to save him enough to make a difference? Yeah right feed that to someone who doesnt know better.

Don't tell me that 220 will save an 800 watt grower enough $$$ to even be remotely worth while.

How 800w can use too much is still a mystery to begin with.

If he is looking to cut a small % because he has to then nothing is silly. The % is only silly to you then. If it is about saving pennies then I don't see a problem to begin with. Pay the extra pennies, electricity and pot are not free.

 

[Guest]

Then I just spoke to an advanced electrical engineer, who has built projects that would blow your mind, and he confirmed that electrical companies charge by the Kilowatt, so if you have 2 1000 watt bulbs, 1 on 110-120 and one on 220-240, the same amount of Kilowatts will be consumed, despite the voltage difference.

If the meter was on the bulb instead of outside the house then it would simply be the same Kilowatts. The fact is appliances and equipment all have their own efficiencies including the wiring etc. The bulb is drawing 1kw but how much is a ballast drawing and how much is it putting out? Old equip or cheap poor equip may not put out as advertised and the same can be said for how much it draws.

My point is that the bulbs are drawing 1kw from the ballast on both currents but how much is the ballast drawing from the meter once the amps are dropped? Less.

 

[Guest]

Northern Farmer
You have my attention.

Tell me how you get nearly 2lbs of dried bud from 10 days veg from seed. How many small plants are we talking here. I need more details. I have probably been doing it wrong for decades and I would love to hear your method.

 

[Guest]

Northern Farmer
You may be right about the ballast drawing less, but I look at the electricity bills and it cant be much less. Dont some of these digital ballasts claim some type of savings?

Seriously, I would like to try your shorter veg method if its basic and really worth it.

 

[imnotcrazy]

Northern Farmer: You're talking Voltage Drop affecting you're Meter readings??? That IS NOT possible as the meter outside your home reads KWH. KWH = KW/H and Voltage drop is going to cause a RATED appliance to draw the SAME amount of power due to the fact that P = V*I, therefore if the voltage is low (the standard is plus/minus 10% is allowable) you draw more current and vice versa if the voltage is high.

Either way, THE ONLY WAY you are paying for power you're not using is if there are LOOSE CONNECTIONS in the run getting hot. If you are properly running your appliances/lights (no more than 80% of breaker rated load for continuous (on for 3 or more hours/day)) you ARE NOT paying for electricity you aren't using. If you load the system properly and aren't getting the feeder wires hot (heat and resistance are PROPORTIONAL), the losses due to the resistance in the wire are NEGLIGIBLE.

 

[willbeHigh]

changing the voltage from 120 to 220 will not change the cost of your eletric bill.The eletrical companys all charge by the kilowatt hour,that means watts add up to kilowatts and kilowatt hours.If your light is 400watt it will use 400watts either run on 120 vac or 220 vac.Running on 220 vac will lower the amp draw.But will still use 400 watts. PEACE

 

[gladysvjubb]

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[Guest]

i would not use cfl bulbs to try bring any buds to full flower. you will be very disappointed. cfl are fine for mothers and clones but you need the more powerful spectrum of light to bring them to flower that hps give.

I'm pretty sure they meant swapping fluoro for incandescent bulbs in other rooms and not the flowering room.

 

[gladysvjubb]

The device at work

The device at work

Installed and working. Hope to save about $50 a month or so.

 

[Lemon]

Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that this thread is 1/3 of a decade old?

 

[DeVenT]

Just fyi....1000 watt increase may seem like alot but in reality its not much at all...the average microwave nowadays is like 1500 watts, a stove or range is usually about 7,000-10,000 watts, space heaters typically run 1500watts....not sure on A.C. units and dehumidifiers, but they too also have large electrical demands as well. Changing out your lights around the house to C.F. is smart. I was always told that if you by changing all the bulbs in your house with them you could effectively run a 400 watt light with no addtional increase in electrical consumption. Hope this somewhat puts things into perspective for ya.

 

[pastor420]

That's true DeVent, 1000 Watts isn't much anymore. Many of the computers in folks homes use 400W or better. Or that big screen TV....

 

[gladysvjubb]

It works!

It works!

Installed and working. Hope to save about $50 a month or so.

Just got this months electric bill. I think it speaks for itself! That's 10% more I get to keep each month. http://www.power-savetv.com/product.html

 

[Guest]

gladys how come it ALWAYS seems like you're tring to sell us something?You have to manufacture that frickin mollasses that has irritated many for months now..When I see grandma's jar I usually just move on,but the few times I stop a sales pitch seems to be brewing..Forgive me if I'm wrong,but you seem to be a pusher brr maybe you're just trying to help and I'm a dickwad.Either way,could you can the damn mollasses lol?