Eerste Buitenkweek

[Verger OG]

Gisteren begonnen met ontkiemen. Ik gebruik altijd de 2 borden en nat keukenpapier manier. Dit is mijn eerste buiten kweek 'ever'!

De twee zaden komen van Green Ambassador en zijn Purple Peace. Lokatie: balkonia.

Mijn binnenkweek duurt nog 5 dagen. Camouflage is al opgesteld in de vorm van een klimplant. Dan lijkt het niet zo vreemd als er nog wat ander groens te zien valt.

Nu maar hopen dat het paarse dames zijn. En anders pech gehad. Volgend jaar nieuwe ronde nieuwe kanzen.

 

[Verger OG]

Ach ja, ik was in de war.

Ze zijn beide uitgekomen. Dat ging sneller dan ik verwacht had. De vorige planten, Durban Poison en Orange Bud duurder langer.

Die ga ik vandaag oogsten...of morgen.
Ik moet zo weg dus morgen.

Alle indoor groei-rommel is al weer opgeruimd. Alles is weer netjes en annoniem. Niets meer te zien.

Nu bereid ik me voor op balkonia.

Ik wil ook wat kruiden op het balkon hebben. Wilde ik vandaag halen maar dat kan ja niet! Hemelvaart!

 

[Verger OG]

Lengte van de zaailingen is 3,5 en 4 cm. En dat is na ze nog wat dieper gepoot te hebben omdat ze nogal snel lang werden. Ik las ooit dat je de stam niet nat moet maken door de stam dieper in de modder te brengen dor de modder op te hogen. Stengelrot. Maar in dit stadium doe ik dat eigenlijk altijd tegenwoordig.

Vandaag staan ze voor het eerst buiten.

 

[Verger OG]

Dag 28. Dames in de zon.

Groei 1 cm per dag.

 

[Verger OG]

Dag 57. 21-06-08

Photographs will follow. The upload thing is broken.


Edit: Upload works again.

 

[Verger OG]

Day 86 on 19-07-2008







I need to feed them something but I don't know what. The plant in the back shows signs of some deficiency. I added nitrogen some time ago. I think now it needs something else since the leafs around the edges are getting light or the insides dark.

 

[Verger OG]

In the meantime I bought EcoStyle Beendermeel (bone meal?) the phospor fertilizer and the Vinassekali, the K fertilizer. I alo got me some Magnesium fertilizer or bitterzout (epsom salt).

I will use these to make bombs. err. I mean, enhance my soil mix next grow. I'll copy this to my own thread, event hough no one bothers to reply.

I'll see if I can repair the disability of my plants.

 

[Verger OG]

Day 90-2008, 24-07-08





Warm and sunny.

Added epsom salts, one plant 5 gram and the other 7,5 gram. Used 1 liter of water.

 

[Verger OG]

Here are some details I took of the problems:






I think the 2nd shows a calcium problem. Right?

And the first...not sure yet, can it be Mg? Or Sulphur? I don't think it looks like a K deficiency.

 

[Guest]

Verger, Come on man, lets be civil & polite to each other & try to work out problems, hey?
The first picture looks like too much nitrogen has been put on too acid a soil, (too low a ph) lets start by checking ph of soil in those pots. I was also wondering whether there is a root problem going on in those pots, are they getting too hot? Can you gently pull plant out of pot (damp it first & do it in the evening) & take a picture of the rootball. Looking at roots can tell me more than looking at leaves.
Then we can take it from there, alright?

 

[Verger OG]

Thanks,
Well, According to my water companies'reports on water quality, the pH of water in my pumping station has been over the last years:

2003 7,9 average
2004 7,7 average
2006 7,6 average
2007 7.6 average

I let my water stand a few days but this water should increase pH rather than make it acidic.

It could be that my roots get hot...they are in black pots outside and the sun can shine of them.

I watered the plants so I can't drag them out now but I will try that.

I watered with NPK gifts today in a lot of water. NPK 4-5-5 in grams.

 

[Guest]

Alright few Q's
How long have they been reppotted for?
How big are the pots they are in?
Where did you get the soil from?
How much fert have you given them?
Have you ever let them go without water so that they wilted down?

Dont take them out of pots if they have recently been repotted.

Lets see if we cant get those plants singing, it usually starts with the soil. Dont give em any more nutes for the time being, lets find out first whats going on.
Ps the tops of the plants dont look too bad, might just be ok!

 

[Verger OG]

They been repotted since day 58. Today is day 94. I noticed some yellowing before that so I thought I should repot them, get them some fresh soil with nutrients.

On day 74 I added 2 spoons of blood meal mixing it in the top of the soil and adding water.

I let them dry out.

The soil mix comes straight from the grow shop. Usually I have problems with my plants from the start. Perhaps the soil mix is too rich. It is loose, contains perlite but not overly much. It says on the bag it contains bacteria and fungi and worm manure. And humus.

I gave Magnesium on day 90, 7,5 gram in 1 liter of water.
A day later water 2 liters of water and pH- 12 ml.

Yesterday I gave NPK 4-5-5 gram of NPK.
That is plant 1. The one closest to the table in the back.

Plant 2: I gave it 5g of Magnesium in 1 liter of water on day 90.

The next day in 0,5 liter some pH- 12 ml in 2 liter water. Yesterday the NPK 4-5-5- in grams in 2 liters.


No idea if that will bring the pH down enough.

12 ml is just over a bottle cap.

2 liter is a lot of water and it all flushed through it mostly and got out of the bottom.

And yesterday both plants got water 1,5 liter and those grams of NPK like I described.

How long would it take for plants to realize they have been given nutes and show signs of improvement?

Am I overfeeding of underfeeding. I don't know.
Normally, would the soil be dry of nutrients just 58 days in 4 liter pots? And then they get 7l pots and then they would have eaten it up by day 90?

 

[Guest]

Next time you water just try turning plant upside down, squeezing round the pot to free the soil up & slide the pot off the rootball. The soil & roots should hold together, it will tell you if the plant is rootbound or not. Do this in the evening not in the heat of the sun.
For feed there are a multitude of products out there, but imo you simply cannot go wrong with miracle grow. I think it comes with a scoop. 1 scoop/5litres if I remember. Every other feed or once twice a week. This is a complete feed, do not overdo the recoomendations. You may want to think about repotting them into bigger pots, the rootmass will tell you.
Dont worry too much about old leaves changing colour, but new growth definately wants to be a nice green.
Hope that helps. I think you will find G.A's genetics to be top smoke in the autumn. He gave freely to you, so come on man show him some respect.

 

[Karma Genetics]

Hi verger

I am sure the fertz in the soil are all eaten. 7l pot with the standard growshop soil(which is not that good) for a plant that age is not enouf. My advice is to try and keep it simple for yourself. Repot in somthing like 20l pot that should be enouf for the flowering cycle that is about to come. Buy one of these soils Plagron batmix ore Plagron Royalti mix. These soils are good and have a nice balanced fertz and micro organishm. I also suggest buying a simple one botle bio flowering fert. Best tip i can give you on that would be Plagron bloom ore Canna Bio Flores. I personly use the last.

I think its best to do the repoting fast as the flowering period is coming, and you want them to be setteld in there new bigger pot.

 

[Verger OG]

Thanks for the tips.
I am reluctant to use bigger pots because that means the plant can grow even bigger. Already they are sticking out for all to see. I topped them regularly to get them bushy but they are still gonna get bigger, now they are around 60 cm.

But perhaps I will have to anyway. The soil is still wet so I'll wait till it gets drier.

We don't have miracle grow in NL.

I have Plagron soil. Growmix + Perlite is what it says on the bag. So it must be perhaps a more generic kind.

Not too fond of this type. I think the pH of this soil is not suited at all. Perhaps those you mention are more pH neutral. My seedlings tend to show trouble from a while after coming out.

I think they are recovering. The problem seems to have stabilized now. The affected leafs aren't getting better but the new growth is okay. Hope that lasts.

I may be able to repot tomorrow evening.

I am worried about the first week of September. I'll be gone for a week. Hope for a day of rain.

 

[Verger OG]

Yesterday I felt sick so I didn't do anything.

Today I transplanted both plants. They were rootbound. Watered them plenty and I used the last remaining bag of the grow mix I have used from the start. Have half a bag left now and won't buy it again. I'll try another soil mix next time.







The roots of PP1 and PP2.

I'll post new pics of day 100.

 

[Verger OG]

So this is day 100. The left plant seems to grow male flowers...and fast. It is way too early for them to srat flowering, unless it is an Asian variety. I think this variety is part Asian. So that could mean they flower early.
And allt he while I worry about the darkness. Streetliughts, light from the staircase of the apartment building. Light leakage during flowring is not good.

I guess I'll have to chop this plant now and use it for compost.

If anyone knows why a plant can start flowering end of July, begin August, let me know?

 

[Oli4]

Waarom zet je ze niet binnen in een of andere berging ofzo dan heb je alvast geen last meer van straatverlichting en dergelijke .... .

Grtz

 

[Verger OG]

Dag 106:

Dat is een beetje lastig dan moet ik die plant aldoor voor het oog van de verslavingskliniek naar binnen en buiten zetten. En dan moet ik een lichtkamer bouwen. Nu ja dat zal toch wel moeten op termijn.

De andere plant is wel vrouwelijk. Ook die begint nu te bloeien.

IN ENGLISH:

The other plant is starting to flower, it is a she.

Also very early I think. It is day 106.