ecsd...

[Ligyron]

heres the only def. I saw on my 3 deez' ...added some calmag the other day, maybe they will snap out of it soon. under the light it looks yellow but when the lights are off its still nice and green, just a spec of lightening around the edges of the leaves, not burn. thanks for any info fellas!

Dude, when you first mentioned this I'm like, "Yes . . . finally! This is the same thing I have . . .", only my "def." then becomes more pronounced -- with the lightening leaf edges, and the tips especially, rapidly turning yellow to reddish purple in places and then real crispy brown; all bordered by yellow/orange going toward center leaf with tiny yellow and brown spots and general interveinal clorosis -- all starting mainly near the top of the plant. I'd really love to post pictures of this problem but my security is for shit just now.

It's actually kinda purty once it gets fairly advanced -- like Fall colors for weed.

Anyway, this little surprize just puzzled the hell out of me as I was using the same GN nutes 3-2-1 gro formula (minus any x-tra mag , by way of Epsom Salts), a mix which had always worked more than fine for me on other strains. So, . . . I studied the excellent def. & problem type sticky here at IC which, by and large, indicated this to be a Mg or maybe cal. def . . . or that perhaps it might be an OD of another nute or mico leading to such. It indicated this could also be root-rot or a pest of some sort. Hmmmm . . .

Oh well, as I was growing in a soiless Perl/Verm mix for transfer to hydro later, I added the recommended amount, 1/2tsp Ep.salts per gal., to the 3-2-1 mix, and I made sure the media drained well and dried out good between doses. I also sprayed the grow area and soiless soil surface (but not the plants themselves)for pests, as I had seen some of those little piss-ants running 'round, plus maybe a fungus gnat or two.

Long story short: things improved generally and most of the plants, all are clones of 2 ECSD pheno's, BTW, never had the problem to begin with. Still, those beautiful but crazy-colored leaves would start up here and there, quite inconsistantly. This led me to believe it might be some pest, those damn piss-ants for instance, could be spreading a disease or fungus around. Still, I hate to imagine spraying the plants themselves -- even with Neem or Safer.

There again, I never did add any Cal. -- as all I have is in the form of hydrated and dol. lime and I wasn't sure what either of these might do to the Ph. Anybody know?

I guess I really need to go check out this Cal Mg formula and see if it's compatable with hydro. I sure want to try adding Cal before actually spraying the plants with some goo.

Great thread! Major kudo's to Chaco for starting a discussion on ECSD, a plant that has to be in everyone's top 5, if they have it.

 

[toasted1]

nice plant MP

stay safe
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[guest121295]

Found a jar of diesel stuffed in an old box of used bulbs, I remember putting that box there last April so this buds been in there 10 months more or less....I was real surprised to find it, I thought I'd burned out my cured out stashes....needless to say the jar still reeks and the bud burned like a Marlboro...

 

[PistilPete]

I miss my ecsd. I need to find her again.
10 month old deez must be a nice smoke, CHACO.
MeltingPot, that girl is outta control. Very nice.
toasted1, your wasp shot has to be POTM.

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

4SD

4SD

4SD..........what a stinky frosty sour girl.

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RMS

 

[Ligyron]

Right, nice plant for real. The leaf in the lower right hand corner of MP' pic is a good example of the advanced stages of what I was trying to describe above. But, in MP's case it's more to be expected as the plant draws mobile nutes in the later stages of flower, no? All my fans always look much the same at that point, I do believe.

However, it is not normal at all in early veg, which was my and other's issue, if I'm not mistaken.

As for hash: besides keif and bubble later - - anybody else forced to scrape off gobs of stinky scissor goo every minute or two while manicuring? I had to stop and scrap clean the blades about every foot and a half of cola, no shit -- and that was just from the sugar leaf I couldn't pluck off cleanly by hand (which I could for the most part).

The smell during harvest and manicure was both overwhelming and frightening. I thought that Homeland Security would come busting in any minute for sure.

Anyway, ended up with a couple marble-sized balls of black silly puty which was just great for picking up all the loose trics in the holding tray. Very different smell and taste from just deezl keif in the bowl too . . .

 

[mrheadie]

Right, nice plant for real. The leaf in the lower right hand corner of MP' pic is a good example of the advanced stages of what I was trying to describe above. But, in MP's case it's more to be expected as the plant draws mobile nutes in the later stages of flower, no? All my fans always look much the same at that point, I do believe.

However, it is not normal at all in early veg, which was my and other's issue, if I'm not mistaken.

As for hash: besides keif and bubble later - - anybody else forced to scrape off gobs of stinky scissor goo every minute or two while manicuring? I had to stop and scrap clean the blades about every foot and a half of cola, no shit -- and that was just from the sugar leaf I couldn't pluck off cleanly by hand (which I could for the most part).

The smell during harvest and manicure was both overwhelming and frightening. I thought that Homeland Security would come busting in any minute for sure.

Anyway, ended up with a couple marble-sized balls of black silly puty which was just great for picking up all the loose trics in the holding tray. Very different smell and taste from just deezl keif in the bowl too . . .

hahaha!!! your not the only one lig! the stench can be frightening. also, im grabbing 2-3 extra pair of scissors for the next round to make it alittle easier to finish at least 1 branch at a time. gotta love her.

 

[guest121295]

I'm going to have to agree with you guys, the ecsd has the stickiest resin of any plant I've encountered.When you put your fingers on a live flower cluster they stick together like nothing else, it's not greasy, just plain sticky...So I have this big ecsd , she's been vegging in 3gal of coco for about 60-70 days.She's been hosed down with Eagle 20 twice and floramite once, she's pretty healthy so I want to flower her alone in a 4x7 room with 10 gal coco container.I think I can grow some massive flowers while keeping things simple below with only 1 container to take care of via a small drain to waste rez..here she is, every leaf in the pics belong to this plant, in one you can see the container below.I'm going on a giant plant bender, I hope I can pull this off....

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

Nice tree Chaco. Looks like she should spit out some serious weight. Cant wait to see you spin your majic on her......

RMS

 

[The Baphomet]

Awesome CHACO ! Cant wait too see her filled in ,that thing is going to produce big time .
I just switched over to coco after years of pro mix . IM loving the coco plants are beautiful and the ph stays in check , I have 48 girls3 weeks in flowering in promix right now and they are suffering from micro nute lockout because the dam ph is over 7, half of them have pistil death and top yellowing .

I got 5 sour d IBL seeds from a friend and I found a male that looks very sour ,I also got a bushel of mango haze pollen waiting to be tossed .

 

[mrheadie]

hey bap, you ever had problems with promix ph before? i have to adjust my water down once in a while, but never had a nute lock out, knock on wood.

 

[The Baphomet]

mrheadie , the problems I am having with promix has happened twice . For some reason the ph is over 7 and it is causing a lock out of zinc . The growing tips are twisting and the buds dye back and turn brown , after about three weeks of flowering it seems to right itself and the buds start to grow normally but my yield is suffering .

When I ran promix organically with bone ,blood,worm casting ,lime and extra perlite we never had problems and we always pulled more than 2 # per light. But I was never happy with the smoke , it always tasted kinda like ferts no matter how hard we flushed at the end.

With the numbers we run and the high cost of running our spot I cant afford to have problems like this so I will be throwing the 22 bails of promix we have in our veggie garden this spring

Now I am back to GH flora nutes its what I used when I first started growing , it makes awesome buds that burn super clean and the taste is on point . The plants I have in coco are beautiful every leaf has perfect color and the plants veg super fast . I'll post a pic of the really sick plants tonight

 

[MeltingPOT]

Baph, when you ran the Blood, Bone and EWC were the plants getting niced and yellow during their flush, like the big pile you showed earlier?

 

[The Baphomet]

MP , when I ran that stuff the plants stayed green till the end , even with heavy flushing they had very little yellowing , I think it is impossible to flush correctly with organics .When we ran earth juice in promix with wormcast and added perlite they flushed better butt still not enough for my taste . Sour D is all about the flavor and when you get it right you will be smoking it like a crackhead !
I am definitely done with organic growing indoors after a few runs with flora . I don't know why my ph is so high ,makes me think the peat is from a new source or maybe I got a bad batch ?
These are organically grown and flushed heavy for three weeks and they are still green

 

[MeltingPOT]

I have run her with Flora series and she is clean as a whistle, as it's easy to actually "flush" the remaining nutes out of the medium...no question.

If you have a nice light organic mix that allows the plants to starve over time, they smoke just as nice if not nicer IMO...

Yer doing your thing and doing it well Bro!

 

[The Baphomet]

Thanks for the complements MP .

I definitely hear ya on the light mix and starving the at the end . But with the numbers I am running I cant be bothered with mixing dirt anymore ,and with the ph problem we are having I had to flush 48 monster plants in 5 gallon pots and check the run off of each one to get the ph to come down a little around 6.8 . The way my plants look right now is killing me , everything was normal until week 2 of flowering now I may have to kill about 20 of them that I vegged for 2 months because of the ph problem . If these plants would of stayed normal they would of easily thrown 6 oh's a piece .
Sorry for the rant but this PH thing is making me nuts

 

[The Bee Keeper]

really just cant beat a well grown sour.imo

 

[TacomaComa]

ill show you some well flushed ecsd tomorrow grown in pro-mix with general organics nutes.

this nute line needs more attention cause im killing it with this stuff.
i dont ph and never have

this is a picture from week ago. she is in full fall colors now

 

[TicalionStalion]

jesus Chaco ---that fuckin thing is gonna be HEAVY...Im guessin a half P atleast, if all goes according to plan.

hey guys, Iv been wanting to know how the REZ IBL compares to the ECSD cut? I mean, Im good w my ECSD, but Iv always wondered how close the IBL is to the clone only. the rez version seemd to look more and more like the real thing over the years. what do yall think? Iv def. came across alot of the IBL, had to be it...because it WAS sour diesel....but it wasnt no ECSD...unless it just wasnt grown properly or whatever. just didnt have that same mean ass greasyness and smell/taste. looks like it yields better tho.

lig ---I hear ya bud. I go thru the same thing w my ECSD. funny thing is, it never used to be this way, used to never have a problem keeping her SUPER green. now it seems, even in earlier veg, she wants to fade out alittle around the edges. altho that last shot of calmag seemed to help. Ill keep adding it. funny thing too, is I'll cut some branches w the def. looking leaves for clones...then when they root, they green back up...then a few weeks later in veg, some of the leaves wanna start fading again. its funny. my only plant that does this to me. I havnt flowered her in a while, not since the leaf issue...I really hope shes still every bit as great as she used to be!

 

[One Love 731]

I guess its time to grab a ECSD cut, I will be home for good in a few weeks and all the pics/posts I have seen of her lately got me ready. Lookin good as always Chaco, keep up the good work. Peace, pot and karma. One Love