Xero000
Member
I always keep a gallon on hand constantly bubbling but it still does not seem to raise the pH enough. An addition of 1/4 tsp pH UP per gallon seems to work well for my environment.
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I always keep a gallon on hand constantly bubbling but it still does not seem to raise the pH enough. An addition of 1/4 tsp pH UP per gallon seems to work well for my environment.
I
itsus
get the micro'blast and just use molasses for the catalyst. your gonna need the micro for sure, the grow/bloom doesn't have much in it at all. i don't use ph anything, just bubble out the trouble. i always have lime in the mix though, always!
I used EJ and within 8 hours I had all these spots forming and they are getting worse. I mixed grow bloom and microblast with molasses at half strength and let it bubble for 24 hours the ph was around 6.4 and the runoff was around 6.4. I'm growing in FF Happy Frog and the strain is Big Bang. Any thoughts on what might be happening?
S
Surfr
Bumpin this up... I would love to hear more experiences with EJ.
I
itsus
no shit?!?! wonder what the fuck happened, your cat didn't piss on it or anything did it? ej is pretty mellow stuff?
No I dont have a cat lol! It was healthy as shit before I used EJ and I only used 1/2 strength! The only thing I can think of is it may have been old. I had it for about 10 months before I got around to trying it. Hell it could have sat in a warehouse somewhere for 6 months or longer before I bought it. I hear it goes bad in a year - year and a half. They need an expireation date on the bottles. Anyway I threw it all away and bought some FloraNova Bloom. And I'm sure it was the EJ because I had two Mazar plants at about 14 days and I gave them 1/2 strength and they both died quick.
I'm not saying dont use it, just use it up quick and dont let it sit around.
pufferfish
Member
i got some EJ its about 3 years old do i use it or not ...thanx
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Tactical Farmer
Member
Sorry, been without internet for many months.
EJ teas need some good "dirt" added as they dont contain microbs.
EJ does seem to "spoil" quickly if not stored & used properly - Bummer, seems to be the worst side of the product but should not stop people from using it as its rare.
Some things can be done to avoid problems.
1. Keep it cool - even in small fridge ?
2. Keep away from light
3. VERY IMPORTANT = Dont cross contaminate, keep mircobs out of solution, only pour out whats needed, dont use syringe to extract "unless sterile.
Feel that once a few microbs get in there it speeds up the break down ?? Crazy ???
Found some good info today on the Juice.
E.J. consists of high quality ingredients that promote micocrobial activity. Over the years I've developed a theory of sorts on nutrients. Simple Diversity. Basically I believe a wide variety of simple, unprocessed ingredients will properly grow microbial life and plants. Earth Juice is in line with this idea.
The "Grow" uses blood meal, steamed bone meal and bat guano as the primary source for nitrogen - 50% of which in non-soluble. This non-soluble nitrogen is imperative in feeding beneficial fungi and bacterial life in the medium. It's very inconsistent from one batch to the next. Occasionally, it's solid as Play-doe. Naturally occurring Sulfate of Potash is used providing appropriate amounts of potassium. Sea kelp (Ascophyllum Nodusum) provides various growth regulators and trace elements. High quality Molasses, a secret weapon in many nutrients is also included. Between Kelp and molasses the Brix levels here are through the roof as both these ingredients are packed with carbohydrates. This product produces tremendous vegetative growth developing a solid foundation for flowering. During the first 6 weeks of veg this schedule led the pack ratings wise and numerically.
The "Bloom" contains no direct form of nitrogen. Rather than blood meal it uses fossilized seabird guano. Normally seabird guano is high in nitrogen but when "fossilized" it breaks down into primarily a phosphorus and potassium rich substance. Other than that, the ingredient's included are the same as Grow in different ratios. Grow and Bloom are weak when used alone. They are designed to be mixed together through-out the entire vegetative and most of the flowering cycle or deficiencies will occur.
The "Micro blast" is a sulfate based formula supplying various micro nutrients. Understanding some soil micro-biology is important to understand the effectiveness of sulfates. In a healthy, living substrate there are sulfur - oxidizing bacteria (they make energy through reacting with sulfur) that help break down organic material producing soluble and easily available nutrients for your plants. This process has essentially already taken place in regards to sulfates and Micro blast, creating an almost chelated effect. The included nutrients and minerals are readily available with-out much assistance from microbial life. In early flowering under heavy growth demands I felt Micro blast was weak in Zinc and Magnesium.
"Catalyst" is an oat bran and sea kelp based nutrient. It is the most popular of the E.J. products. The Catalyst is exactly that. It assists in building soil structure, micro-bial life (specifically beneficial fungal life), organic material break down, contains growth simulators and various hormones. It is an absolutely vital component to the E.J. line and again, sends Brix levels soaring. It contains a tremendous amount of high quality, plant available molasses, and amino acids feeding microbial development.
"Meta K" is also an important addition specifically in relationship to cannabis. Marijuana demands large amounts of potassium in flowering. This product provided more than enough and easily is over applied. I found less amounts spread out over the entire cycle worked excellent.
Earth Juice products work best if applied making an air infused "tea". This tea will explode with microbial life and creates a "living foam" on it's surface. I pre-mix 24 to 48 hours in advance of feeding, heating the solution mildly to 85 degrees. This turns into a rich mixture of balanced, active microbes. Between this tea, the Catalyst and some vital non-soluble nitrogen the bacteria and fungal life within the medium thrives. This soil-life will feed your root zone and in turn feed your plant. With Earth Juice you focus more on maintaining a healthy living medium. The "Grow" gets premixed in a small container so I can viciously shake the hell out of it - then add it to the solution. This tea can last some time with air being pumped in - sometimes a week. It's time consuming but well worth the effort. pH must be balanced prior to application. The Macro nutrient solutions are non pH buffered. It WILL be low. You can also simply pre-mix before application - but mix thoroughly.
This cycle has ridiculous bud development. The diverse ingredients here react excellent with Marijuana. Earth juice uses the highest quality guano available and the molasses is top notch. Smell and flavor are far superior than most other tests. Crucial mid flowering stages with Earth juice responded very well to additives. Cal/Mag in various forms helped firm up buds. Enzymes specifically and beneficial's made nutes more available and increased absorption rates. See the Additive section for more specific results. Final product was phenomenal, buds were swollen and furry with trichromes. I have a long history with Earth juice and expected it to finish high in this overall test. It remains my primary soluble nutrient today. It was second only to Advanced Nutrients in production weight but far better quality in my opinion. The smoke produced simply tastes the best among these cycles and potency is top of the list. I cannot recommend this cycle enough if your interested in organics. When properly applied Earth juice will match any nutrient application out there.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=148879
EJ teas need some good "dirt" added as they dont contain microbs.
EJ does seem to "spoil" quickly if not stored & used properly - Bummer, seems to be the worst side of the product but should not stop people from using it as its rare.
Some things can be done to avoid problems.
1. Keep it cool - even in small fridge ?
2. Keep away from light
3. VERY IMPORTANT = Dont cross contaminate, keep mircobs out of solution, only pour out whats needed, dont use syringe to extract "unless sterile.
Feel that once a few microbs get in there it speeds up the break down ?? Crazy ???
Found some good info today on the Juice.
E.J. consists of high quality ingredients that promote micocrobial activity. Over the years I've developed a theory of sorts on nutrients. Simple Diversity. Basically I believe a wide variety of simple, unprocessed ingredients will properly grow microbial life and plants. Earth Juice is in line with this idea.
The "Grow" uses blood meal, steamed bone meal and bat guano as the primary source for nitrogen - 50% of which in non-soluble. This non-soluble nitrogen is imperative in feeding beneficial fungi and bacterial life in the medium. It's very inconsistent from one batch to the next. Occasionally, it's solid as Play-doe. Naturally occurring Sulfate of Potash is used providing appropriate amounts of potassium. Sea kelp (Ascophyllum Nodusum) provides various growth regulators and trace elements. High quality Molasses, a secret weapon in many nutrients is also included. Between Kelp and molasses the Brix levels here are through the roof as both these ingredients are packed with carbohydrates. This product produces tremendous vegetative growth developing a solid foundation for flowering. During the first 6 weeks of veg this schedule led the pack ratings wise and numerically.
The "Bloom" contains no direct form of nitrogen. Rather than blood meal it uses fossilized seabird guano. Normally seabird guano is high in nitrogen but when "fossilized" it breaks down into primarily a phosphorus and potassium rich substance. Other than that, the ingredient's included are the same as Grow in different ratios. Grow and Bloom are weak when used alone. They are designed to be mixed together through-out the entire vegetative and most of the flowering cycle or deficiencies will occur.
The "Micro blast" is a sulfate based formula supplying various micro nutrients. Understanding some soil micro-biology is important to understand the effectiveness of sulfates. In a healthy, living substrate there are sulfur - oxidizing bacteria (they make energy through reacting with sulfur) that help break down organic material producing soluble and easily available nutrients for your plants. This process has essentially already taken place in regards to sulfates and Micro blast, creating an almost chelated effect. The included nutrients and minerals are readily available with-out much assistance from microbial life. In early flowering under heavy growth demands I felt Micro blast was weak in Zinc and Magnesium.
"Catalyst" is an oat bran and sea kelp based nutrient. It is the most popular of the E.J. products. The Catalyst is exactly that. It assists in building soil structure, micro-bial life (specifically beneficial fungal life), organic material break down, contains growth simulators and various hormones. It is an absolutely vital component to the E.J. line and again, sends Brix levels soaring. It contains a tremendous amount of high quality, plant available molasses, and amino acids feeding microbial development.
"Meta K" is also an important addition specifically in relationship to cannabis. Marijuana demands large amounts of potassium in flowering. This product provided more than enough and easily is over applied. I found less amounts spread out over the entire cycle worked excellent.
Earth Juice products work best if applied making an air infused "tea". This tea will explode with microbial life and creates a "living foam" on it's surface. I pre-mix 24 to 48 hours in advance of feeding, heating the solution mildly to 85 degrees. This turns into a rich mixture of balanced, active microbes. Between this tea, the Catalyst and some vital non-soluble nitrogen the bacteria and fungal life within the medium thrives. This soil-life will feed your root zone and in turn feed your plant. With Earth Juice you focus more on maintaining a healthy living medium. The "Grow" gets premixed in a small container so I can viciously shake the hell out of it - then add it to the solution. This tea can last some time with air being pumped in - sometimes a week. It's time consuming but well worth the effort. pH must be balanced prior to application. The Macro nutrient solutions are non pH buffered. It WILL be low. You can also simply pre-mix before application - but mix thoroughly.
This cycle has ridiculous bud development. The diverse ingredients here react excellent with Marijuana. Earth juice uses the highest quality guano available and the molasses is top notch. Smell and flavor are far superior than most other tests. Crucial mid flowering stages with Earth juice responded very well to additives. Cal/Mag in various forms helped firm up buds. Enzymes specifically and beneficial's made nutes more available and increased absorption rates. See the Additive section for more specific results. Final product was phenomenal, buds were swollen and furry with trichromes. I have a long history with Earth juice and expected it to finish high in this overall test. It remains my primary soluble nutrient today. It was second only to Advanced Nutrients in production weight but far better quality in my opinion. The smoke produced simply tastes the best among these cycles and potency is top of the list. I cannot recommend this cycle enough if your interested in organics. When properly applied Earth juice will match any nutrient application out there.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=148879
Tactical Farmer
Member
My old EJ - 1 year after buying, whatever is left goes to compost pile diluted or to veggie garden.
3 years - A smell test of your bottles would be great, please compare with my smell test.
Grow = Swamp Bog Funky
Bloom = Zippy fire flower
Cat = Bold Deep Aged Molasses
Essential = Orgie of tropical flowers & herb extracts
3 years - A smell test of your bottles would be great, please compare with my smell test.
Grow = Swamp Bog Funky
Bloom = Zippy fire flower
Cat = Bold Deep Aged Molasses
Essential = Orgie of tropical flowers & herb extracts
I've had EJ grow and bloom bottles ~2years, and they seem good. I doubt that they ever got above 75 degrees, and never stored in direct (or really any) light. They smell the same as they did (sweet and 'organic', but not rancid) when I got them. I DID have a gallon of bloom sort of 'settle' on me. I had to shake the crap outta the bottle for ~10 minutes to break up solids, after not using it for a month or so. I'm coming to the end of that gallon, and the end of my last pint sized grow (I prefer fish or pee for veg) bottle, and I think they are OK.
I would say if they don't smell rotten, use em carefully (not full strength, not the whole crop...) and see if the plants look better or worse than they did before you used the juice.
I prefer to feed with mainly dry organics at this point, but I'm trying to use up my bottles in compost teas. It's taking forever, lol. The teas are generally - homemade castings, fish hydolysate, molasses, and kelp. I add splashes of EJ grow or bloom depending on which plants I'll be feeding.
Tactical Farmer
Member
That might work for him BUT this stuff is very acidic, strait up feeding would cause people using (Lower PH tap, RO, Distilled water) & or light lime users PH problems.
Bubbling teas can be lots of fun & a good practice for organic farmers.
thekingofNY
Cannasseur
Anyone with gallon jugs of juice.... get a 1 litter water bottle and when you get that gallon jug finally stirred/shakken well. Fill the 1 litter bottle up.... it makes shaking/mixing it 100x easier after that.
our current nutes: Ej grow, bloom, catalyst, micro, meta k, botanicare ca/mg, liquid karma
Meta K and ca/mg we don't use all the time, same with micro.... micro is good cause it has lots in it.... except Ca.
our current nutes: Ej grow, bloom, catalyst, micro, meta k, botanicare ca/mg, liquid karma
Meta K and ca/mg we don't use all the time, same with micro.... micro is good cause it has lots in it.... except Ca.
madassimi
Member
i'm sorry to hear about your plants.
i grow using the same soil and EJ as you. the only difference is that i feed the plants using an eighth of the strength (feeding every three to five days).
i think using half the strength is too strong for such young plants.
i always mix the nutrients in a specific order too and mix thoroughly before adding the next nutrient: micro-blast first, then grow, catalyst, bloom, and finally meta-k. during vegetation, i mix bloom before catalyst.
i don't keep bottles of nutrients longer than 12 months. i noticed that the micro-blast started to turn a dark shade of green after nine months. the GROW gets super thick too. i switched out GROW after six months. i didn't trust the product once the bottle started to bloat.
oh, i do add FF's LW to the HF soil in a 4:1 ratio (HF:LW). the LW helps keep the soil's pH stay in a healthy range.
i hope this helps. i been using this recipe for the last 12+ months and been having very good luck. i hope you have a new batch of plants started!
Great thread Tagged for sure,
Peace......Scroger!
Peace......Scroger!
I've read on the general hydro site to mix their nutes in a specific order, but have never heard this for EJ. Why do you use this specific order?
