Earth Juice Organic Plant Products

[Guest]

Hi, I use EJ products and love the results. However, EJ is just a supplement to the fish waste in my Aquaponics system.

My recipe - 1 40/th recommended strength EJ Range (Grow, bloom, meta-k, microblast and catalyst) mixed in proportions recommended for bloom.

I bubble 24 hours and add to system. The system clouds up but clears within 12 hours max.

Not noticed a difference in taste organic weed tastes great as does aqua. I have noticed a difference in growth - it's now explosive.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

While I am a soil grower, I have done a lot of research on "pH down" solutions-they are a rip off, you canmake the same solutions from wood ash.

The pH up from EJ is a soultion of potassium hydroxide and sodium hydroxide-wood ash lye.

It is a matter of putting wood ash in a quantity if water-leach it for 24 hours, pout of the clear liquid leaving the solids (primarily calcium carbonate and silica).

Now you can go further by boiling down the liquid to concentrate it.

I use it straight to raise the pH of my nute solution (Alaska fish and EJ Bloom). The only difference is the concentration.

IMO

minds_I

 

[Guest]

could you please give us more details on wood ash or at least links.

sounds good, i needs to study up!

 

[Guest]

My buddy uses GH and i use EarthJuice ... his weed doesnt taste like mine at all..... now that could be good or bad..... I guess its a matter of opinion .... but Im stickin with EJ cause if it dont taste good I dont care how high it gets me Yea he flushes for a the last cpl weeks

Me too ,i use EJ Grow and Bloom and EJ Micro when needed.I use these with Pure Blend Grow n Bloom and Fox Farm Big Bloom.I use EJ Bloom the last 3 to 4 feedings before flush,i also flush for a minimum of 10 days sometimes more, no matter what i dont pump it up with food til the end cuz i want the taste and end result more than i want yeild.I like my ashe gray and silky to the touch, so it gives a sweet ass Organic taste(and i didnt say sweet ass cuz its liquid poop,lol) in the end.Ive used many others and i kinda like this recipe and im gonna stick with it.In soiless with EJ is tastey,but i dont grow Hydro so wouldnt know as far as that.Hope you figure out yer feeding schedule/recipe and it turns out tastey good,lol.Peace and stay safe all,FMD

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Sure.

http://cavemanchemistry.com/oldcave/projects/potash/
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=23397

minds_I

EDIT:

As a sidenote-when I adjust my water down for waterings-I use a few drops of Alaska fish shit.. Works everytime.

 

[acidblue]

Hey what about the liquid EJ products do you have to bubble those
as well??

 

[subfloral]

i haven't used anything other than EJ, course i haven't been at it too long either.... only two harvests in, but without anything to compare them to... i do like them...again without anything to compare other than other peoples stuff grown with god knows what, the flavor of my stuff was outstanding

 

[Where'sMyBud?]

I used EJ Bloom 2 grows in a row on the same clones, in the same medium, under the same light, in teh same grow room and Noticed that the second time around that the EJ was bringing the pH of my water waaaaaaayyy down - to like 3.0-4.0 !!! I was using the same dosage from the first grow, which I had great sucsess with (and actually praised EJ products on OG), but somehow that bottle of Bloom became much more concentrated in the course of a month between grows. The bottle was kept under my kitchen sink, which is dark and cool - no idea how it happened but it did.

So, use it if you want but take caution in the fact that all bottles are not very consistent. I would consider using it again, only if I experiemented with it over the course of an enitre year!

 

[minds_I]

^^^^Yeah, you go to shake the stuff up everytime.

minds_I

 

[englishrick]

recurculating active system id say from what i know thats the only good way of getting wicked results with ej

an the ej makes the smoke real nice

even with hine site id say ej is one of the best nuts for the taste

rick

 

[Flutch]

Yeah I will be using EJ products as well. But my big question would be when you go into a hydro store and he ask you what you are growing what do you tell them? This is really a think that I want to avoid if you know what I am saying. Found a hydro store in the phone book. Now I have to get a good story to go buy all this stuff I need for my grow

 

[dankiestog]

tell then everything from house plants to apples...good ones...AN products good...just ask the dr..

 

[stonedeconomist]

dude if you go into a hydro store and ask for advanced nutrients the clerk should already know what your growing. if he doesn't then you should probably shop somewhere else becuase your not going to get any good advice from the know nothing guy. also if you have a safe place that you can have stuff delivered to you could always shop around on the commercial hydro vegatable supply sites like this place
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/organic.htm

 

[Guest]

Would the EJ line work in Aero machines ?

Thinking not as they are pretty chunky / gooey & would prob clog the misters but hoping it will work ?

Thanks Bros

 

[3BM]

Yeah EJ and fine misters do not like each other. You can use them but you will have to strain out the solids first. They recommend pouring them through layered cheese cloth. You can get them solid free this way if you need. There may be easier methods than EJ but they are uncompromisingly organic.

Anyone used EJ in Ebb and Flow? No feeders to clog, just pumps and 1/2" hoses. Seems plausible, but then again EJ doesnt have the same sort of buffer most hydro specific nutes have.

 

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Three Little Birds Organic Information

Earth Juice Fertilizers - Recipes and Discussion Thread
the three little_birds are well know for our love of growing using organic fertilizers . . . And while we are always looking for ways to utilize inexpensive and effective materials like manure, alfalfa meal, kelp meal, and a variety of rock powders . . . we also know that some folks will only use organic growing methods if the option is fairly simple and mess free . . . while organic fertilizers from a bottle will never likely be as cost effective as using rock powders and teas made from alfalfa or guano . . . they do offer great convenience and the good news for growers who demand their organic fertilizers in a bottle . . . is that herbs grown exclusively with today’s liquid organic fertilizers will rival those grown with any method of organic growing we’ve ever used or experienced . . . there’s no need to sacrifice quality for convenience if your pocketbook can withstand the additional cost . . . our favorite among premixed liquid fertilizers is the complete line of Earth Juice products . . . we’ve sampled other fertilizers but always come back to Earth Juice . . . In our opinion they are the “premium standard” against which all other organic ferts must measure themselves . . .

The basic line of Earth Juice fertilizers is 5 different products that can all be used in any combination with each other . . . the ability to “mix and match” any of the 5 products gives us the versatility to deal with any nutrient need (or problem) that might arise . . . here’s a listing of Earth Juice array . . .
Earth Juice Grow
Earth Juice Bloom
Earth Juice Catalyst (called Xatalyst in Canada)
Earth Juice Meta-K
Earth Juice Microblast

The Grow and Bloom formulas can be used alone or in combination with each other . . . no big explanation necessary with those names . . . their intended uses are pretty obvious . . . Catalyst is basically a jazzed up Molasses / carbohydrate product to feed beneficial bacteria and act as a chelate . . . Meta-K is an awesome Potassium supplement . . . and Microblast is one of the most useful and effective micronutrient products we’ve had the pleasure of using . . . in our next post we’ll give a more formal introduction to the various components of the EJ line of ferts . . .

Meet the EJ lineup
here’s the “scoop” . . . the “tech intell” . . . the “lowdown” . . . the “skinny” . . . on what exactly is in those Earth Juice ferts that the 3LB’s talk about so much . . .

EARTH JUICE GROW 2-1-1
bat guano
kelp
sulfate of potash
feather meal
oat bran
blood meal
steamed bone meal
this is the “jack of all trades” among the Earth Juice products . . . useful throughout all of vegging and the first couple weeks of vegging . . . Depending on a plant’s growth stage and we use the EJ Grow at concentrations of anywhere from 1 TBSP to 2 TBSP per gallon (and we have pushed it to 3 to 4 TBSP without harm for very heavy feeders)

EARTH JUICE BLOOM 0-3-1
bat guano
seabird guano
kelp
sulfate of potash
steamed bone meal
oat bran
rock phosphate
we love our Earth Juice Bloom as a flowering fertilizer and. . . because this product has no Nitrogen it’s especially useful for late stage flowering when it’s desirable to let a plant use up the soil’s nitrogen reserves . . . and for an added boost of Phosphorous at those times when plant’s need an extra boost of P . . . we normally use EJ Bloom at rates between ½ and 2 TBSP per gallon . . .

EARTH JUICE CATALYST
oat bran
kelp
wheat malt
molasses
yeast
For some odd reason, the Canadian Government requires this product to be labeled as “Xatalyst” . . . but whatever it’s called where you live . . . if you’ve looked over the “Molasses Manual” by the 3LB you may already know the biggest “secret” to this product . . . the sweet sticky goodness of molasses . . . as we’ve said elsewhere molasses feeds microbes and acts as a chelating agent to make micronutrients more available to plants . . . those extra organic goodies in Catalyst like wheat malt and oat bran are just “icing on the cake” . . .

Earth Juice Meta-K 0-0-10
sulfate of potash
pretty simple product with apparently only a single active ingredient . . . it does have a good measure of Sulfur . . . and it’s very useful to give an extra boost of Potassium when necessary . . . Many organic fertilizers run a little “lean” on K - especially guano based products . . . and EJ Meta-K gives us a way to add that needed Potassium in controlled amounts as needed . . .

Earth Juice Microblast
kelp meal
magnesium sulfate
borax
cobalt sulfate
ferrous sulfate
manganese sulfate
sodium molybdate
zinc sulfate
the Microblast tests out to the following percentages . . . Magnesium (Mg) .05%, Boron (B) .02%, Cobalt (Co) .0005%, Iron (Fe) .10%, Manganese (Mn) .05%, Molybdenum (Mo) .0005%, Zinc (Zn) .05% . . . in our experience it’s a great all around micronutrient supplement that resolves almost every potential micronutrient issue likely to arise . . .
there's your "Earth Juice All Stars" lineup . . .

Earth Juice Recipes

Growth Recipes
we get many PM’s and email requests for our Earth Juice recipes . . . many folks - it seems - would love for us to just spell out the specific nutrient mixes and quantities we use with every feeding . . . . if only life were so simple!
What and how much we use vary's some from strain to strain . . . Perhaps even from plant to plant . . . so it’s just not possible to set a schedule and ignore the plants . . . The best gardeners become “at one” with their plants and feed them according to the plant’s needs . . . even anticipating their needs . . .
our standard mix for vegging plants is usually
1 to 2 TBSP Grow
1 tsp Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst (called Xatalyst in Canada for some odd reason)
(all ingredients are added to a gallon of water . . . )

there are times where we might increase the Bloom portion up to as much as a tablespoon . . . Especially for plants in the early stages of flowering . . . and we can go as high as 3 or even 4 TBSP of Grow for really N hungry plants - but if we increase the Grow fert above 2 TBSP per gallon we usually leave out Bloom & Catalyst )

we also use what we call our "microblast mix" once or twice during the normal life-cycle of vegging plants . . . no big difference between this and the prior mix except this one has an extra boost of Meta K and Microblast . . .
1-2 TBSP Grow
1 tsp Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst
1 tsp Meta-K
1 tsp Microblast

as folks may have observed in our “Growing LUI with the 3LB” thread . . . we also commonly use some kinds of fish fertilizers and kelp concentrates during a plant’s early growth stages . . . we like the combination of enzymes and proteins and hormones the fish and kelp provide together . . . but it’s common for some fish products to be high in heavy metal contaminants like Mercury . . . so the “seafood platter” is a treat we feed our babes and the Earth Juice is their regular diet . . .

Flowering Recipes

early stage flowering plants can often use a fair measure of nitrogen as they stretch . . . so a normal Earth Juice mix in early flowering will look pretty similar to a Grow mix . . . we like to use something along the lines of the following for the first couple weeks of flowering . . .
1 TBSP EJ Grow
1 TBSP EJ Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst (yeah we know - it’s Xatalyst north of a line from Seattle - Duluth - Niagra!)

as flowering progresses we forego the Nitrogen to let our plants use N reserves from the soil as they finish flowering . . . so mixing an Earth Juice Bloom formula can be as easy as . . .
1 TBSP EJ Bloom
1 tsp EJ Catalyst

for really hungry darlings we’ll go as high as 2 TBSP per gallon with the EJ Bloom . . . but pouring it on that heavy can burn light feeders . . . and even with heavy feeders it’s better to build up to stronger concentrations of EJ Bloom over time than to just start in at 2 TBSP per gallon right away as plants begin to flower. . .

and we also have a bloom "micro-mix" that includes Meta-K and Microblast . . . it's used once in a blooming plant's life (or maybe twice in plant’s with a long flowering) . . . Like the growth “microblast mix” it gives an extra boost of Potassium and assorted micronutrients to make sure the plants will want for nothing!
The flowering micro-mix usually goes like this . . .

1 TBSP Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst
1 tsp Meta-K
1 tsp Microblast

that's about all there is to making an awsome plant-enriching organic brew with Earth Juice . . . it's really that simple . . .

Miscellaneous Earth Juice Notes
In theory there’s no need to “flush” organic soil grown herbs before harvest . . . and because organic fertilizers are not salt based like chemical fertilizers . . . traditional techniques for “flushing” wouldn’t carry away nutrient salts in the traditional meaning of the word “flush” anyway . . .
That creates a danger with organic fertilizers that doesn’t exist with salt based chemical fertilizers . . . with salt fertilizers over-fertilizing can be pretty severe . .. But it will show up fairly quickly . . . and the solution (a good flushing) can be enacted pretty quickly too . . .

it’s probably harder for a grower to over-fertilize using organic fertilizers . . . but if they do there’s no quick solution . . . organic fertilizers usually can’t be flushed away like salt fertilizer’s can . . . so if a grower over-fertilizes they will likely have to live with the consequences for a longer term . . .

And when it comes to harvest time . . . we do go ahead and put our organic herbs on a “crash” diet . . . in the past it’s just been pure water for the last two weeks . . . But lately we’ve been experimenting with using Fulvic Acid with the watering during the second week before harvest . . . and then plain water the final week . . . this technique really seems to bring out the fullest potential of our babes . . . but the wonders of Humic Acid and Fulvic Acid are deserving of their own thread . . .

And finally . . . before we finish our initial discussion of Earth Juice Fertilizers . . . we need to touch on the practice of premixing and bubbling Earth Juice fertilizers . . . we get a lot of questions on this topic in private so may as well discuss it here and avoid having to type the same information time and time again . . .

This is the most common question we hear . . .
“Is it absolutely necessary to pre-mix and bubble / aerate Earth Juice fertilizers before use ? ? ?“
Our simple answer is no it’s not necessary at all . . . but Earth Juice will be more efficiently and effectively used if “brewed” for 24-48 hours before use . . . in organic farming the old adage is “feed the soil not the plant” . . . and making your Earth Juice fert mix into an aerated tea maximizes the benefits it can provide for your plants . . . but they will work fine if used without any premixing or bubbling . . .
we would also like to add that if you do not care to go to the bother of premixing and aerating your Earth Juice . . . that you use the fertilizers in smaller / lighter proportions . . .

We also hear this question a lot . . .
“What about the low pH of those Earth Juice fertilizers? - Will that low pH harm my plants?”
And our simple answer is that there’s likely little concern about that issue unless your growing medium is already abnormally acidic . . . but we can also say that the pre-mixing and bubbling/aerating we talked about in the prior question will moderate the pH to an extent . . . and that can allow heavier feedings overall . . .

Our experience with Earth Juice in everything from 3 gallon pots to 30 gallon beds indoors is that a good soil mix with a healthy microbe population will moderate it’s own pH to an extent . . . and the calcite and dolomite lime use commonly in soil mixes will do some of the work as well . . . so we’ve never had any actual problems with pH in our Earth Juice experience . . .

And finally we also get asked . . .
“Can I get by with just Bloom and Grow and not have to go to the expense of the other products?”
And the simple answer is yes of course you can. Catalyst is a molasses based product so the substitution of cheap and easily available Blackstrap molasses will be almost as good as the real thing. . . And although we prefer to use Microblast and Meta-K a few times during a plant’s life . . . we’ve certainly had great grows without them . . .
Not having those extra ingredients available will make your life much more difficult if something does go wrong . . . having a sufficient source of Potassium is a major factor in a plant’s ability to withstand the heat stresses inherent in many grow rooms . . . and micronutrient deficiencies can be hard to diagnose and treat without a “full range” micronutrient fertilizer like Microblast . . . Maxicrop kelp concentrate is the only other substitute we know of that’s as effective at treating a shortage of potassium and trace minerals . . . and many growers prefer to avoid using kelp products during the later stages of flowering . . .

I hope it wasn't wrong to put up a post from another site. I see it as just spreading the word.

 

[Mr Celsius]

That is a well known post about Ej from 3LB, its in the organic soil section. I don't believe they were talking about hydro-organics.

 

[Guest]

ya ur right

ya ur right

I think so to but they say u can use it in hydro just takes awhile to breakdown.But they made a hydro version called sugar peak, they have three part system like gh or all the good brands and also come in 1 part blend which i use its really easy no mixing just shake and pour.

here is a link

http://www.greenfire.net/hot/H340.html
real organic and good for hydro

not the best pic but it does work very good.

 

[2ezy]

It isn't just for hydro Vinny. I'm switching to this today for outdoor soil growing myself and the bottle recommends half strength for soil. One cheap and convenient nute with great feedback so far!!!!!

 

[Mr Celsius]

I'm interested in Sugar Peak, but it isn't on their website and I have no way of confirming if its really organic. PBP isn't really organic, its just "organically" derived... so is oil.