DWC Original Haze Hedgerow

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Day 43
Snuck in at lights on in an effort to get a photo or two that wasn't all orangey-glowy or hulk-ish green, with mixed results.

The mound in most of its entirety

The spear factory

Had to have a shot or two at nose length. If you have a scratch and sniff monitor, make sure it's set to 'Orjismic'.

 

[Hazy Lady]

Superb grow, must try this 'Haze' one day

 

[gdtrfb]

Superb grow, must try this 'Haze' one day

thanks for stopping in, haze goddesses are always welcome

day 44
Not much new up top, so I figured some jiggerypokery underneath might be in order - today was day 45, but these shots were taken last night

A small fan underneath pushes air in the opposite direction as the wall fan blowing across the tops - I could be way off, but it seems like turf where a little goes a long way.

I can't blueball the update with no budshot, tho

speaking of balls, one of the sour bubble studs

My high tech pollen/plant matter separation apparatus - barely tilt it, and lightly tap the edge of the plate and you can fairly easily brush the pollen sacs into the trash.

When I had a sifted pile, I did my honey-bee impersonation and pollinated about a half dozen of the aformentioned dedicated seed mommas - two of which are clones of the Ohaze. I think I'm looking forward to those beans more than anything I've begged, borrowed, or broken down and purchased so far

 

[fonzee]

That male looks SUPERB!

Why don't you pluck the lower leaves? they aren't getting any light and just restrict air flow as much as I know.

 

[gdtrfb]

That male looks SUPERB!

Why don't you pluck the lower leaves? they aren't getting any light and just restrict air flow as much as I know.

he does look like an aggressive little bugger, doesn't he? thing is, all 3 looked that virile - the idea of doing any selection was kinda moot, so i ended up using all 3 in a pollen milkshake.

re: the leaves - at about 2 weeks in, i stripped up to the screen - things have started to 'sag' in the last few days (it's just how she rolls....stretch like mad, then get weighed down and wobbly). I could stand to pluck some stuff down under the screen, but it's one of those projects that when you start, you have no freaking idea where you could stop - there's about a foot deep wall of leaf/bud/plant mass there, so air flow is going to be affected no matter where I stop plucking

 

[fonzee]

Using more males for the pollen collection is great as you keep some genetic diversity.


I just pluck the fan leaves that don't get any direct light when I see them.
I got a small bin near the plants that I throw the leaves to.

It surely helps the air flow.

 

[nukkumatti]

Wow man

That haze looks so appealing! Sorry to hear your probs with Schnazzle.. She's very sensitive about the nitrogen.

And a SUPER looking sourb male! Wow man look at those balls!

Very nice thanks for sharing!

 

[gdtrfb]

Using more males for the pollen collection is great as you keep some genetic diversity.

Indeed - particularly when I'm dealing with just 10 seeds, 3-6 males like the situation frequently is w/ purchased breeder's beans...the male selection process is more of a deselection. A male has to show me something nasty to get pulled from the party. When it comes to running the offspring, then I aim towards actually selecting - now the male has to show me something to get invited to the party

I just pluck the fan leaves that don't get any direct light when I see them.
I got a small bin near the plants that I throw the leaves to.

It surely helps the air flow.

There are 2 400s vaguely adjoining the screen, so at least the front part of that mess is getting direct-ish light...and I'll be honest, the stuff that isn't in the front is a pain in the ass to get at - the stripping up to the screen took some fairly absurd contortions.

it would help air flow, but other than plucking out the leaves that do croak I'll probably just let shit ride as it is.

Wow man

That haze looks so appealing! Sorry to hear your probs with Schnazzle.. She's very sensitive about the nitrogen.

And a SUPER looking sourb male! Wow man look at those balls!

Very nice thanks for sharing!

Thanks - and oooooooh hells yes, the schnazz is N cranky. Both of the non haze plants in this setup have suffered on account the haze - the schnazz didn't like the early N from chow routine the haze loves, and the blue mystic just overran by a haze ceiling that grew in over the top of it. The perils of a shared nute setup and a tossed together multicrop, but...of all the wonderful things I can say about this haze plant, "She plays well with others" probably isn't one of them

Day 46
speaking of schnazz, she's doing a heck of a lot of this right here

It does suck to have not hit this one on all cylinders, but...the bowling ball sized calyxes that are stacking on top each other are oily funky little boogers. Again, not much consolation on having muffed it, but the 'spare sack of facial anesthetic' consolation prize still looks to be on the table.

back to the haze

 

[makowiec]

This is just f***** amazing.

Thank you this extreme show!

Loooking forward for more photos.

 

[JackReddin]

Fattest haze run I've seen.

You got serious skills with this girl.

TFD OHAze?

tagged!!!!

ooohhhhh yyeaahhh!!!!

 

[FtWendy]

Ohaze pH?

Ohaze pH?

Hey boss - snapping grow! Looks fantastic. What pH are you keeping the haze at in your buckets? Cheers

 

[wiseone]

very nicely done.

 

[gdtrfb]

This is just f***** amazing.

Thank you this extreme show!

Loooking forward for more photos.

Thanks man - It's getting to a point where I get a giggle when I greet them every day, too - even tho I'm familiar with this plant, she still amazes me.

Fattest haze run I've seen.
You got serious skills with this girl.
TFD OHAze?
tagged!!!!
ooohhhhh yyeaahhh!!!!

It probably wouldn't do any good to attempt being coy, she was found in a pack of Seedsman Ohaze purchased somewhere around 3 years ago - it's worth re-re-rementioning that she was not at all representative of anything else found in that pack. I can't claim any particular extreme depth of knowledge on any strain, especially one like haze...but in 'pure haze' lines, I've only seen one other plant that reminded me of this lady - VerdantGreen's Haze6 in his LED SCROG thread. Again, I can't say what the exact odds of finding one like this might be, but...it may be worth noting they're both from the same source.

Hey boss - snapping grow! Looks fantastic. What pH are you keeping the haze at in your buckets? Cheers

Thanks - and that reminds me, with the 'turn' on the horizon, I've changed her nutejuice - probably worth babbling about that for a minute.

I don't run an auto top off with this setup - I manually add water (and do a nute addback if fiddling is needed - generally every 4 or 5 days) from a nearby 30g tank of RO water I keep handy - generally every day, if not then at least every other day. That gets me a swing between 5.8 and 6.1 on PH and an EC that ranges between 1.2 to 1.4 during weeks 1 thru 4, 1.4 to 1.6 in weeks 4 to 7-ish.

Now that the buds are at that 'turning' stage (there's probably a much more descriptive and accepted term for what I'm talking about, but what I lack in vocab skills, I generally compensate for with made up words that are close enough) I've altered her soup a bit. On day 45, half of the total water volume was drained and refilled with RO water - that dropped the EC to about .7 or .8. After that, I added KoolBloom dry to bump the EC to 1.0.

Even tho it is a much less 'hot' mix by EC standards, the koolbloom bottoms the PH a little more than just maxibloom on it's own - during this 'phase' of the nutejuice, a range of 5.7 to 6.0 is more the target. I just hate pissing about with PH up/down if I absolutely don't have to, and that seems to be the range things want to gravitate towards.

Re-reading the above, what with all the numbers and all, it probably seems more 'authoritative' than I'm intending - I'm going on intuition and trying to listen to the plant more than anything. That's just a fancy way of saying 'I think this will work....'

very nicely done.

Thanks man - more hazeporn?

Day 47

 

[fonzee]

damn.

 

[FtWendy]

Muchas gracias, boss...I really appreciate your detail. Would you care to discuss your complete nutes & regimen in detail? I'm sure other haze growers would find it useful as a starting point.

BTW - That day 47 shot is ridiculous. You win.

 

[wiseone]

I've run the same exact seed line myself many times and never saw such a pheno. You lucked out my friend....karma was on your side.

Question....I never considered keeping a haze in mother plant status probably because of the intimidating growth that she shows.
What method do you use to keep your moms? How ofter do you need to root trim, etc.? Thanks for any input.

 

[gdtrfb]

damn.

maybe even a daaaaaayum

Muchas gracias, boss...I really appreciate your detail. Would you care to discuss your complete nutes & regimen in detail? I'm sure other haze growers would find it useful as a starting point.

BTW - That day 47 shot is ridiculous. You win.

lol, thanks - I took some more shots that border on the ridiculous, just have to wait on the albums being fixed to upload them. I've been fiddling with the buttons on the camera trying to address the orangey-gloweyness or the Incredible Hulk-ish green cast from the 'lights off light' to entirely mixed results...day 47 ended up with some kind of weird sepia brown thing going on in some of the shots..not really an improvement

re: nute regimen, there aren't a wide array of ingredients at least

my nute shelf consists of
GH maxigrow
GH maxibloom
GH koolbloom
Botanicare calmag
either Dynagro protekt or Botanicare silica blast, whichever I have at the moment
GH PH up/down powders

During hydro vegetative growth, I've noticed she largely just doesn't give a shit - she's often running in shared systems with the feed tailored to other plants while in veg so she's seen a decent range - between .5 EC maxigrow/calmag and 1.4 EC maxigrow/calmag (as well substituting maxibloom for grow) with no effect one way or another on her growth...and that growth during veg is substantial.

In soil vegetative growth, she gets calmag/maxigrow at about 1.2EC, feeding every 3rd or 4th watering, with some 5-1-1 fish shit for an occasional snack. She probably doesn't need it, but if I don't use the foul smelling stuff, I'll never get rid of it.

So...in summary for veg nute regimen, she'll eat salt and shit shoots in hydro, but it's best to go fairly easy in soil. Giving her as much light as you can in veg affects her more than what you're feeding in veg (within reason, of course)


During flower, she has 3 main phases, and for the most part the chow routine follows suit -
1) the post flip explosion stretch (day 1 to 21/25
2) the cotton-ball fill in stretch (day 21/25 to 45/49)
3) the post-stretch 'turn'/bud growth (day 45/49 to 70/77)

During the first phase, the amount of plant mass increase is just stupid. In 21 to 25 days, more than tripling in size seems about as close as a guess as I'd have. Lots of branching, and lots of growth on those branches. In previous runs using just maxibloom during flower this always resulted in the plant 'getting ahead' of itself to some extent - I'd end up with N defs and fleeing fan leaves heading into week 4, even if conditions for N uptake were pristine. It seems like she agrees with a stockpile of N during the beginning of this phase, so for the first two weeks of flower the res is half maxigrow, half maxibloom, PH 5.8 to 6.1, EC 1.2 to 1.4. Doing this generates even more explosive growth than not doing it, and I think it's part of eeeking out every gram of wonderfulness out of this plant as I can....but it's also exactly what jammed up the schnazz tighter than a nun's hootchy...so I can't at all say it'd be universal advice. I drain and refill the res with calmag and maxibloom only after day 14-16 or so, PH 5.8 to 6.1, EC 1.2 to 1.4.

I also add silica during the first 3 weeks, but the dosing is probably best described as arbitrary.

During phase 2, branching and new shoots have stopped, but there's still stretch in the indvidual tops and shoots. Cotton ball like budlettes pop up all over, as well shoots developing into spears. It isn't unusual to see a 3 inch bud stem at day 28 be a 2 foot long spear at day 48, so there's still stretch there - it's just not the same plant mass increase as the earlier stretch. She's gotten calmag and maxibloom at 1.2 to 1.4 EC swing eventually creeping up to 1.4 to 1.6 by the tail end thru this stage.

The last phase, she's stretched all she's going to stretch, it's all about filling in the buds now. She gets a light shock to the system dosing of koolbloom added to a mild nute mix like I mentioned a post or 3 ago, finishing off with a 10-14 day flush.

All that babbling having been typed...this is the food routine I think this plant likes - she doesn't look/behave like a heck of a lot of other haze plants, so I doubt she eats like a lot of them, either.

I've run the same exact seed line myself many times and never saw such a pheno. You lucked out my friend....karma was on your side.

Question....I never considered keeping a haze in mother plant status probably because of the intimidating growth that she shows.
What method do you use to keep your moms? How ofter do you need to root trim, etc.? Thanks for any input.

Indeed, she was a lucky find - and thanks for the info on your experience w/ the line - I know I didn't find anything else resembling her in that pack, but it's also only 10 beans.

As to mothers...for the most part, I really don't keep any with the haze. That intimidating growth means whatever I have in veg will be having frequent visitations from the scissor fairy in order to keep it in line with other strains it's next to. I usually end up with a nice selection to feed to the cloner, and still end up with viable cuts in the trash by the time I'm done.

 

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And as soon as I hit submit, it seems like albums have unwedged themselves a bit, so..onward, ridiculousness

Day 49 - might as well present it in a ridiculous fashion, too

pretty good example of the 'shaggy dog' foxtailing and new growth

This one is a little more spindly at the top than others, but it's one I could manage to wedge a tape measure in and still get a photo of - gives a bit of scale to the snarl of spears

 

[Garuda]

wow, I just love Original Haze Grows, and yours look absolutely awsome

Greetz,
Garuda.

 

[killerweed31]

all kinda insanity in this such an a excellent thread, i put out a chair n' pop corn!!! great+++ LoL !!