Dutchgrown,a question about Neville's

[Capt. Crip]

DG,I know you were growing F1's when your crop was taken and I just wanted to know if you ran into ant of the wispy buded Neville's in the F1 generation.I have several tall pheno plants that refuse to fill in although the calaxes are coated with trichomes.

The plant I used to make the F3 was dynamite in power and flavor.The strongest pure sativa I have ever smoked.Soaring psyscadelic high.Over-indulge and it will make you feel out of place and time.The kind of high when you walk in the grocery store and every person in the building is staring at you!INTENSE,I realize why you hold it so dear to your heart.
On these wispy plants,they have a wonderful haze odor,but just refuse to fill.I know it will still be good but absdolutely no bag appeal.

Did you have these in the F1 generation?They seem to be taking 16 to 18 weeks to finish.Do you think it's just a haze pheno shining through.Being that I am in the F2,anything is possible,but I have 8 of these plants out of 18 females sisters.They only show in the tall pheno's.
Do you think it's just a haze expression?The odors are out of this world!
Thanks for taking the time to read.......................CC

 

[Capt. Crip]

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[Guest]

hey bro...

hey bro...

........F1(fuaryone) is runnin some f3 NH over on OG and he has some spindly lookin phenos such as what you have, yours are a bit further along.

CBF

 

[Dutchgrown]

Hi Capt...well, over the years I've had my share of the schwaggy wispy phenos as well coming from F1's. All of my F1 generations came from Neville's stock. Neville advised to chop those particular pheno's if they went beyond 14 weeks with little to not much bud development, especially if looking for good breeding stock. This is an undesirable trait for breeding, however, the potency is like you say phenomenal so into the bubble bags that sort of stuff goes. Unfortunately Neville was never able to stabilize NH, so anyone who attempts this super sativa must realize that those wispy sort of phenos do happen....but to what degree is anyone's guess.

They can usually be spotted early on by their fast stretch. They tend to be the ones that grow with very wide open internodal spacing. Although the aroma is quite intoxicating and they usually have more than ample trichomes, they simply dry up and look like tumbleweed.

My advice is to use it for hash and start over with another seedling.

Yes, it is a haze trait...actually, too much haze.

dg

 

[Dutchgrown]

Almost forgot....here's a couple NH buds for you all

This is what NH should look like after proper drying and curing.

dg

 

[Bodhi]

I really need to try some sativa..

I really need to try some sativa..

I hear so many great things about pure sativas, I'm hoping I'll be able to find some really nice sativa smoke when I visit A'Dam. DG I'm sure you have the hook ups hehe

I tried to do some Jamaican Lambsbreath indoors in my small setup but the crazy summer heat/humidity forced me to cut the crop early (45 days 12/12 to be exact). Surprisingly the bud still smokes well, very smooth, with a nice taste...but the effects are mild and not very long lasting. I do notice a nice euphoric feeling though and not so heavy munchies which is a nice change.

Those Nevilles's haze buds are beautiful DG. And Capt. that cola is gorgeous even though it is quite wispy like you say, the hash from her must be out of this world as she does have ample trichs. Just not much body to it..oh well I'm sure it's headstash of the finest quality.

take care all you sativa lovers
-Bodhi

 

[greenhit]

Thanks DG

Thanks DG

Wow, any more photos of hte NH or SSH
buds, vegging or otherwise. Can't have enough.
Love all the info on the phenos and such, we eat that shit up !
sincerely
-greenhit

 

[Capt. Crip]

Thanks Dutchgrown

Thanks Dutchgrown

And everyone else that responded.Yes DG,They were all the ones that had the major stretch.There are a few that have an excellent odor so I decided to let them finish.The one I used for the F3 seeds was a short pheno and it filled in about like I expected.It was the one I have smoked,and it is absolutely unbelievable.The strongest sativa I have EVER smoked!PERIOD,for a sativa nothing comes close from my point of view.It will leave you mentally stunned!Like I said before,it will make you too HIGH to go out to the store because paranoia can set in especially if you overindulge! I love that spicy bite.When my wife walks in when a taken a few hits,she asks,what's that wierd odor?It's almost hard to tell it's a cannabis smell it's got such a spicy bite.I love it especially the first big hit the way it almost sucks the air out of your lungs,a very strange experience.Almost like you were breathing some kind of vapour that your body didn't recognize and tries to expell. Very cool indeed!
The female I used for the F3 had twice the resin as her closest sister ans she stayed short with almost PURE sativa traits.I will never let this plant go unless something happens ??!It will soon be in someone elses hands for safe keeping just like I did with the Superfruit .(after 10 years)Dutchgrown,My wife and I are going to try everything in our power to attend the 4/20 and we will send you several samples beforehand.This has nothing to do with the SF samples that are coming,they will be done very soon.Just a bummer that I ended up using all 3 of the SF plants I grew for seeds.But mostly on the lower branches,so there's plenty for samples.(A generous one at that!)
I would send you a neville's sample but there was less than a half ounce after seeding it.There were 4 branches and I pollinated the 2 smaller ones.I will send you some when I harvest more,I have about 6 rooted clones of her to mess with this go-round.Knowing that it is of the shorter pheno,I can grow it some before flowering.

Take care everyone.......................CC

The F3's should be at Seedbay by tuesday!

 

[Capt. Crip]

pic of breeder

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this is the plant I used to make the F3!She will knock your socks off!Psyscoactive Bombshell!!!!!!!!

She's loaded with sticky resin


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[Robhpx13]

she looks way fatter then the others crip! how much does the breaking down the Filial gen. matter on potency?

 

[homegrownsweets]

since you asked greenhit here are both of my nevilles haze phenos in flowering. i havent made a run of nevilles haze before so i dont know what to expect. I am happy that both are cloned so if they are something special they will stay. Very nice budshots capt and dutch they make it look like its going to be worth the long wait. to anyone growing nh make sure you have lots of headroom as they love to stretch so you may want to put them into 12/12 early. They also love lots of nutes. I was in the growroom earlier and the fan leaves already have crystals on them. Peace homegrown

 

[Capt. Crip]

RobHP

RobHP

The futher you carry a cross through filials,they more stable she will become.The F2 is off the chart in the aspect of stability.You find every aspect of the cannabis plant when crossing 2 genetically different plants in the F1 and the crossing 2 of these siblings to create the F2.There will be extra-low THC plants along with intermediate and extra-high THC individuals.You have to search through the F2's to find special parents to start new lines(f3,f4,f5)
My F3 of the neville's will not show the deversity of the F2 generation although there will still be a lot of variance.There should be a higher percentage of short resinous plants.This strain takes a long time to work because of extended flowering times.I will eventually carry it to the F5 as long as I can keep her wonderful traits intact.I always wanted to grow it and now I know why it has such a stellar reputation.It will bend your brain.Perfect for daytime smoking as long as you do NOT overindulge.The first big hit is unexplainable,except to say it steals your breath!

 

[Robhpx13]

thanks crip clears it up a little for me....F1's are better for breeding purpose's then there later generations because of the wider variance of personal charecteristics, you could recieve in turn a more potent individual plant....But f2's really dont lose that much potency such as S1's and S2's, thats were I was getting confused.....Id love to see that neville dried out Capt.

 

[greenhit]

thanks hgs

 

[Capt. Crip]

not actually better

not actually better

F1's aren't really "better" for breeding.They are better for breeding if you are "searching" for a special plant or a new place to start new lines.Using the P1's to create F1 hybrids gives you hybrid vigor from the cross getting the dominant genes from both parents.When you cross a true F1 onto itself is where you find all the variance and possible new parent plants to start new lines from.

There futher you carry the hybrid(F2,F3,F4)the more stable they become(the offspring resemble each other).But you also lose vigor the further away from the F1 that you go.This is why backcrosses are performed,to restore vigor and/or reinforce the trait/traits you first started breeding towards.
Stable F1's are created by first stabilizing the parents you intend to use.2 stable parents are used such as Northern light and Blueberry.Both of these plants started out as F1's and were bred and stabilized over many generations.That is why the resulting F1 hybrids from these 2 parents are so stable.Because the parents themselves were stable.

So the F2's main purpose is a place to start new lines and also a great place to find exceptional individuals,although you may have to "search".I hope that didn't screw anything up!
Take care.............................CC

 

[Capt. Crip]

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[Capt. Crip]

and it's .......................

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..................simply awesome!!!!

 

[Forkem Freddy]

I love how sativas grow and look. I have a pretty big girl going right now... shes been in bud sence 5-1 and still no signs of being done :O The bottom buds filled out nicely and I chopped the first 4 or 5 sets of branches... but the top seems to not stop growing. It isnt really filling up either, the bud is some killer smoke though, I took off each set of branches a few days apart from one another and the longer I left it on the plant the better it was. I'm about to give up on it though but will let it go for at least another few weeks. Ill post a pic soon of her.

 

[Capt. Crip]

Thank...........s................

Thank...........s................

for posting your experiences Freddy!Shanti Baba is a true master breeder and I love most of his work.Although NH has been being worked on for a long,long time,Shanti is responsible for keeping this dream alive and it shows.As soon as he is back to work and if he still has his Neville's parentage,I will cease this line of breeding.I will not dare step on his toes if he plans to continue down the Neville's Haze path.I may continue stabilizing,but only for my use.Smoking or Breeding for personal consumtion!And oh how I love consuming her wonderfully fragrant flowers!!!!

Anyone else have personal experiences to share on Neville's Haze?????????????????????

 

[Capt. Crip]

pics of the airy bud dried

pics of the airy bud dried

This bud has the same basic odor as the plant I used in breeding.It's not quite as strong,but very,very similar.That same spicy bite.That's the only way I know to describe it....................................CC
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Although the hash idea sounds good,,,I will probably just keep these buds in my personal stash.I just love this weed,even if it doesn't have bag appeal.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Hope you enjoy the sativa pics.................................CC