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[Loc Dog]

110 is not enough. You need 120 Degrees F.

Do you agree, half an hour at that temp, or was that for soaking cuttings?

 

[cannascholar]

Jokes aside is anyone spraying essentria in addition to neem and nuke em? Seems like it would be a good combo however I'm a little weary of the mineral oil it contains.

 

[redlaser]

The 120 would be for air temp. 120 water temp will kill the plant. 110 degrees in water is the hottest you can go without risking damage. I've let water temps get to 112-113 and it killed the plant.

Do you agree, half an hour at that temp, or was that for soaking cuttings?

 

[gaiusmarius]

Same treatments, I just seem to get less and less BM's and their attendant damage, every generation. IF I am on it. They really came on fast a few months ago, brought to the growroom from the Hydro Shop I was working at, on my shoes or clothes. Watch out for Seedlings. BM's go to town on those...!

Every 9-10 days a spray of alternating effective miticides. I hate spraying the poisons though. F'in nasty stuff.
I also never enter the rooms unless showered and devoid of most clothing. Same regimen as with Spider Mite Prevention in that way. Different Chems necessary tho.

when i read this, i really really really hope i never have to deal with this crap. having to spray plants regularly for ever seems a complete pain in the ass. there must be some way to get a complete fresh start? i normally hardly ever spray my plants. will dunk clones, but thats about it, once in a while in the mum cab if i feel the need, but i go months and months without having to spray a drop on my plants. this is why i gave up against my pm infested mums, i'm not interested in having plants that need to be sprayed proactively every 10 days. there must be a way to get rid of these bastards and go back to growing as before? i am seriously considering never getting another clone off anyone again and just make do with what i have.

 

[RetroGrow]

when i read this, i really really really hope i never have to deal with this crap. having to spray plants regularly for ever seems a complete pain in the ass. there must be some way to get a complete fresh start? i normally hardly ever spray my plants. will dunk clones, but thats about it, once in a while in the mum cab if i feel the need, but i go months and months without having to spray a drop on my plants. this is why i gave up against my pm infested mums, i'm not interested in having plants that need to be sprayed proactively every 10 days. there must be a way to get rid of these bastards and go back to growing as before? i am seriously considering never getting another clone off anyone again and just make do with what i have.

Seeds are safe. Why does everyone need the same clone? Make your own strains. With all the thousands of strains now, you can make any dream cross you want. There aren't any "bad" strains. They are all good.
Getting BMs totally out of your room? Heat treatments, pylon bombs, Kontos. If you live in a tropical or sub-tropical area, they are everywhere outside. Can travel on the wind. I will never spray miticides again. Stuff is really nasty, and almost impossible not to get it on you.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Seeds are safe. Why does everyone need the same clone? Make your own strains. With all the thousands of strains now, you can make any dream cross you want. There aren't any "bad" strains. They are all good.
Getting BMs totally out of your room? Heat treatments, pylon bombs, Kontos. If you live in a tropical or sub-tropical area, they are everywhere outside. Can travel on the wind. I will never spray miticides again. Stuff is really nasty, and almost impossible not to get it on you.

Seeds are not safe from all diseases and pests.
Seeds transmit Viruses, bacterial, fungal, as well as a few pests.
You can make/use your own seeds, select a clone from them, and still get pathogens in the clone from the seeds.

Don't spray insecticides or miticides, use dips on very very small plants, way less poison is used, way more effective, and you just need gloves and a mask instead of a full spray suit.
I never spray or dip anything I will flower, I dip very small rooted clones 3 times, a week apart, in isolation, then grow them big, chop them up and make new clean clones to be veged then flowered.
People that spray plants to be flowered with poisons are lazy, unconscious, greedy, and plain stupid. As well as not using IPM monitoring, the first step with pest and pathogen control.
-SamS

 

[RetroGrow]

Seeds are not safe from all diseases and pests.-SamS

Absolutely. We were talking about BMs, which are epidemic in the U.S. due to the scene and all the buying/trading of clones. At the very least, "new" clones should be dipped as you suggested and quarantined before putting them in your grow space.

 

[RetroGrow]

Do you agree, half an hour at that temp, or was that for soaking cuttings?

Didn't see this before. Stay away from hot water treatments. Cannabis doesn't like it. Hot air does the trick.
120 F for an hour will kill all BMs/Cyclamens and their eggs. Fans turned off (don't blow hot air on plants).

 

[Loc Dog]

Didn't see this before. Stay away from hot water treatments. Cannabis doesn't like it. Hot air does the trick.
120 F for an hour will kill all BMs/Cyclamens and their eggs. Fans turned off (don't blow hot air on plants).

Do you have any tricks for accomplishing it? Should the cuttings be dry, or lightly misted?

Was thinking small terrarium, with reptile heating pad.

 

[RetroGrow]

Do you have any tricks for accomplishing it? Should the cuttings be dry, or lightly misted?

Was thinking small terrarium, with reptile heating pad.

You're talking about cuttings. I'm talking about plants. Never tried heat on cuttings, because they are small enough to dip. Don't know if cuttings would tolerate that temperature or not. You could do a test. I know it doesn't hurt established plants for a brief period.
Seems like dipping small cuttings would be easy. Spraying big plants, not so easy.
You should heat treat your room though, if you've had BMs.

 

[amannamedtruth]

So could this be phytoplasma spread through either fungus gnats or BMs? I notice this issue very much when I get a large fungus gnat infestation...

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Folks

I`ve said it before . Furalaxyl .
Then mycho and Hazarium . Hazarium eats pythium .


Root disease prevention and cure .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[bobblehead]

So still no lab results? Really? If the samples were submitted as claimed results should be available...

Still just speculating...

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

i had it lined out then a massive redesign and a missed sample oppurtunity.
as it turns out the new sample in transit isnt actually in transit and is being sent later next week.
real life delays came about just when i thought it was in the bag. a lab is lined out and sample being sent to me supposedly mon tuesday for me to hand deliver to lab. it all seems to be on course now.
i posted my lab submission success maybe a little prematurely. it is imminent but is landing in a very busy part of the summer for me and the samples im submitting arent mine. im doing this for knowledge more than curing my own grow dilemma. i hate that there is a pathology that i cant imagine a precise way to overcome. that is what is driving my efforts. will resume posting once lab test is submitted.
if indeed this is a phytoplasm im already working on a protocol to replicate the study posted earlier where a phytoplasma was cleared in a tc technique involving heat and tetracycline baths to the branches from which the explants are cut from.
this resulted in a promising level of clear plants. mainly important for retrieving cultivars that would otherwise be lost.
but yes its still in the works just delayed.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

it appears that noone actually knows with any certainty quite yet.lots of reasonably logical sounding hypothesis being explored but no confirmed and replicated tests. there has been a confirmed tmv test on soome samples that retro brougght on to this thread but thats about as close as weve gotten to real solid answers.we need more tests done.

So could this be phytoplasma spread through either fungus gnats or BMs? I notice this issue very much when I get a large fungus gnat infestation...

 

[RetroGrow]

It's multiple issues. So far there have been some confirmed cases of TMV, but there are different kinds of "dudding" that some say they have, but no one with the dudded materials has done any testing to confirm anything so far.

 

[Loc Dog]

Is this about GG4 dud'ing, or general?

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Is this about GG4 dud'ing, or general?

gg4 was merely a catalyst for discussion. it got an online conversation going about something that has shown up in alot of strains. gg4 was just kind of a perfect storm of hyped strain and confirmed single source showing it with an online thread to go to to complain report discuss these problems which spawned this. gg4 seems to be golden in most other gardens than the one which this one came. it could be nothing to do with the genetics or it could have a lot to do with it. its all speculative. but at this point this thread has very little to do with gg4 other than a starting point.

 

[amannamedtruth]

G`day Folks

I`ve said it before . Furalaxyl .
Then mycho and Hazarium . Hazarium eats pythium .


Root disease prevention and cure .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

This is for ornamental plants.

 

[Storm Shadow]

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