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Storm Shadow

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I feel honored so many people are trying so hard to insult me and what not... Now if you only spent half that time trying to understand the real issue...you might have something to contribute...

stop wasting your time with this thread unless you can contribute... pics of your grow and exp are always a good start...


Certified Arm Chair Experts do some more reading



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http://otokehort.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/CFCRVTOC.12123027.pdf


Other issues including Phytoplasmas and Mycoplasma like organisms (MLOs) ............................ 200


Even this old couple knows what the word is... someone should buy this book and do some homework...



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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322544/

Current View on Phytoplasma Genomes and Encoded Metabolism

Phytoplasmas are specialised bacteria that are obligate parasites of plant phloem tissue and insects. These bacteria have resisted all attempts of cell-free cultivation. Genome research is of particular importance to analyse the genetic endowment of such bacteria. Here we review the gene content of the four completely sequenced ‘Candidatus Phytoplasma' genomes that include those of ‘Ca. P. asteris' strains OY-M and AY-WB, ‘Ca. P. australiense,' and ‘Ca. P. mali'. These genomes are characterized by chromosome condensation resulting in sizes below 900kb and a G + C content of less than 28%. Evolutionary adaption of the phytoplasmas to nutrient-rich environments resulted in losses of genetic modules and increased host dependency highlighted by the transport systems and limited metabolic repertoire. On the other hand, duplication and integration events enlarged the chromosomes and contribute to genome instability. Present differences in the content of membrane and secreted proteins reflect the host adaptation in the phytoplasma strains. General differences are obvious between different phylogenetic subgroups. ‘Ca. P. mali' is separated from the other strains by its deviating chromosome organization, the genetic repertoire for recombination and excision repair of nucleotides or the loss of the complete energy-yielding part of the glycolysis. Apart from these differences, comparative analysis exemplified that all four phytoplasmas are likely to encode an alternative pathway to generate pyruvate and ATP.



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SS .

http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/pests/eb-31.pdf

Plant Diseases
Develop and Management




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http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/26/1_MeetingAbstracts/800.1

Tetracycline Therapy Against Phytoplasma Causing Yellowing Disease of Date Palms


An outbreak of phytoplasma microorganisms was observed in date palms grown in Kuwait. Phytoplasma are widespread prokaryotic microorganisms that infect palm trees, ornamentals and some horticultural crops. It sometimes causes lethal yellowing diseases in palm trees, which also multiplies in the host plant grown in tissue culture and spread infections by insect vectors. The presence of phytoplasma was detected by using both transmission and scanning electron microscopy. Fluorescence microscopy was used to detect DNA contents of the causal microorganism. Tetracycline therapy was carried out as a further evidence for the presence of the phytoplasma and as an attempt to control the disease. Infected young palms treated with tetracycline-HCl at early stages of the phytoplasmal infection showed remission of the yellowing symptoms. We show in this work that by injecting the infected young palm trees with tetracycline antibiotic the treated plants were recovered. The use of antibiotic treatment is valuable for the control of yellows disease in date palms especially in the areas where the pathogen is endemic and causes extreme crop losses. Companies producing date palm trees in tissue culture and growers will especially benefit from this knowledge in the development of control strategies for yellow diseases that are caused by phytoplasma.


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http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/phytoplasma_aster_yellows_identified_on_michigan_soybeans

Phytoplasma (aster yellows) identified on Michigan soybeans

Stunted plants with bud proliferation.

Phytoplasmas are specialized bacteria that lack a cell wall. They often cause plant deformity symptoms such as witches broom or yellowing. Phytoplasmas live and reproduce inside plant phloem tissue and are moved from host-to-host via phloem-feeding insect vectors. Sap-feeding insects can become infected with a phytoplasma when feeding upon an infected host; the phytoplasmas are then thought to colonize and reproduce within the insect vector. There is no known seed transmission of phytoplasmas.

Given the specialized and obligate (requiring a living host) lifestyle of phytoplasmas, it has not yet been possible to culture phytoplasmas which makes them difficult to study. Fortunately, current DNA techniques do provide us with tools to identify and characterize these organisms.

We currently know little about the distribution or prevalence of this disease, and although accurate yield loss estimates are not available, we have clearly seen that this disease is very capable of causing yield loss. Phytoplasmas are not known to be readily seed-treated and no rescue treatments are available.

Growers and crop consultants should be aware of the disease. Possible cases can be reported to Martin Chilvers ([email protected]) for investigation and plant samples can be submitted to MSU Diagnostic Services.


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http://www.realagriculture.com/2012...ore-unanswered-questions-about-aster-yellows/


Some Answers but More Unanswered Questions About Aster Yellows

It’s the nasty phytoplasma that took many Prairie farmers by surprise in 2012 — aster yellows. Carried on the aster leafhopper, aster yellows can infect over 200 species but took a particularly heavy toll on canola this year. The irony is, canola isn’t even a preferred food source, as the leafhopper tends to prefer grasses. Still, some fields were hit with 25% and much higher infection, causing significant economic losses to an already struggling crop.
The kicker with aster yellows is that there really is no viable control option — it’s not a fungus so fungicides are useless against it, and the insects that carry it come up in waves with every south wind, so spraying isn’t cost effective. There are also very few cultural controls a farmer can implement to avoid or decrease infection.
Tiffany Martinka, agronomy specialist for eastern Saskatchewan with the Canola Council of Canada, outlines the few things farmers can do about aster yellows. Although the insects that carry the phytoplasma don’t typically overwinter, the phytoplasma itself does. The phytoplasma can over winter in the roots of perennial weeds and shrubs. This may explain why weedy fields seemed to show a higher incidence of infection. So cleaner fields may lead to lower incidence.
Martinka notes that this year was really unprecedented, and that the problem could have been even worse than we realize. “There were many plants that were testing positive for aster yellows but weren’t showing symptoms. For every one plant showing symptoms over twice as many were testing positive but with no visual symptoms.”
The small comfort in all this, if there is one, is that while there’s very little farmers can do to control the pest, it’s not often an issue. This year’s specific wind patterns are the likely culprit to the high levels and wide geographic area of infection. It’s unlikely farmers will be faced with the same levels next year.



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http://www.potatogrower.com/2014/05/natural-relief

Natural Relief?

Salicylic acid’s potential for crop protection

Published in the May 2014 Issue — Published online: May 02, 2014 —



Willow trees are well-known sources of salicylic acid, and for thousands of years, humans have extracted the compound from the tree’s bark to alleviate minor pain, fever and inflammation.

Now, salicylic acid may also offer relief to crop plants by priming their defenses against a microbial menace known as “potato purple top phytoplasma.” Outbreaks of the cell-wall-less bacterium in the fertile Columbia Basin region of the Pacific Northwest in 2002 and subsequent years inflicted severe yield and quality losses on potato crops. The Agricultural Research Service identified an insect accomplice—the beet leafhopper, which transmits the phytoplasma to plants while feeding.

Carefully timed insecticide applications can deter such feeding. But once infected, a plant cannot be cured. Now, a promising lead has emerged. An ARS-University of Maryland team has found evidence that pre-treating tomato plants, a relative of the potato, with salicylic acid can prevent phytoplasma infections or at least diminish their severity.

Treating crops with salicylic acid to help them fend off bacteria, fungi and viruses isn’t new, but there are no published studies demonstrating its potential in preventing diseases caused by phytoplasmas.

Wei Wu, a visiting scientist, investigated salicylic acid’s effects, together with molecular biologist Yan Zhao and others at ARS’s Molecular Plant Pathology Laboratory in Beltsville, Md. “This work reached new frontiers by demonstrating that plants could be beneficially treated even before they become infected and by quantifying gene activity underlying salicylic acid’s preventive role,” said Robert E. Davis, the lab’s research leader.

For the study, published in the July 2012 Annals of Applied Biology, the team applied two salicylic acid treatments to potted tomato seedlings. The first application was via a spray solution four weeks after the seedlings were planted. The second was via a root drench two days before phytoplasma-infected scions were grafted onto the plants’ stems to induce disease. A control group of plants was not treated.

In addition to visually inspecting the plants for disease symptoms, the team analyzed leaf samples for the phytoplasma’s unique DNA fingerprint, which turned up in 94 percent of samples from untreated plants but in only 47 percent of treated ones. Moreover, ymptoms in the treated group were far milder than in untreated plants. In fact, analysis of mildly infected treated plants revealed phytoplasma levels 300 times below those of untreated plants, meaning that the salicylic acid treatment must have suppressed pathogen multiplication. Significantly, the remaining 53 percent of treated plants were symptom- and pathogen-free 40 days after exposure to the infected scions.

Researchers credit salicylic acid with triggering “systemic acquired resistance,” a state of general readiness against microbial or insect attack. Using quantitative polymerase chain reaction procedures, the team also identified three regulatory defense genes whose activity was higher in treated plants than in untreated ones.

Why salicylic acid had this effect isn’t known. Other questions remain as well, including how treated plants will fare under field conditions. Nonetheless, such investigations could set the stage for providing growers of potato, tomato and other susceptible crops some insurance against phytoplasmas in outbreak-prone regions.



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http://www.reichmansales.com/products/product.php?id=56

Actigard 50W® Fungicide

Does anybody have a link to order this stuff?


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http://www.researchgate.net/publica...Ca2_influx_is_involved_in_sieve-tube_blockage

Phytoplasma-triggered Ca2+ influx is involved in sieve-tube blockage.

ABSTRACT Phytoplasmas are obligate, phloem-restricted phytopathogens that are disseminated by phloem-sap sucking insects. Phytoplasma infection severely impairs assimilate translocation in host plants and might be responsible for massive changes in phloem physiology. Methods to study phytoplasma-induced changes thus far provoked massive, native occlusion artifacts in sieve tubes. Hence, phytoplasma/phloem relationships were investigated here in intact Vicia faba host plants using a set of vital fluorescent probes and confocal laser scanning microscopy. We focused on the effects of phytoplasma infection on phloem mass-flow performance and evaluated if phytoplasmas induce sieve-plate occlusion. Apparently, phytoplasma infection brings about Ca2+ influx into sieve tubes leading to sieve-plate occlusion by callose deposition and/or protein plugging. In addition, Ca2+ influx may confer cell wall thickening of conducting elements. In conclusion, phytoplasma effectors may cause gating of sieve-element Ca2+ channels leading to sieve-tube occlusion with presumptive dramatic effects on phytoplasma spread and photoassimilate distribution.


Very interesting.... Blocking of trace elements



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Elmer Bud

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G`day SS

I layed it out for you .
You need to take your disease and pest infected material to a lab . Get a proper diagnosis then combat it .

You can keep copy pasting . Its not getting you any closer .

Go back and read your own grow log . The answers are all there staring you in the face .
While your trying to impress people with your swagger . Your gardens are suffering .

I did tell you to google Furalaxyl didn`t I ?

Don`t waste any more time being ignorant ...

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Elmer Bud

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G`day SS

Don`t listen to any suggestions .
That`s not what forums are for . They are for shouting people down and drowning their posts in more copy paste .

You are making a fool of yourself . And you are too far gone with your delusional ego to know it .

Would you mind taking the time to explain how the fusarium has left the building ? How about the virus in your Iranian Hash Plant . You copy pasted them into submission ?


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gaiusmarius

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LOL, you guys are hopeless at keeping from antagonizing each other..... it's strange how people are never like this when we meet up at the 420.

i do feel that lab results are whats needed at this point, lots and lots of concrete test results.
 

Elmer Bud

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G`day Gias

Well I started out with suggestions .
Then I read lots of scientific non canna links . Which Sam asked to be marked as non Canna specific .

So I went to Storm Shadow`s grow log and did some reading .
I see him say. I had fusarium but these clones survived .And were put in a garden with other plants . And plants were grown in a hot environment then revegged .
Way to infect the system ...

FONGARID 250 WP is a systemic fungicide that controls damping off and root diseases caused by Pythium and Phytophthora fungi in ornamental flowers, shrubs and trees.Active ingredient 250 g/kg FURALAXYL


Then I look at plants hosting some organism causing mutation to the leaves .I don`t need a degree in plant science to recognise some thing is wrong with that plant . I don`t even need a copy paste . Just my own eyes ?

But I get the reply I`m being ignorant ?
A little hard for me to understand ??

Not much use feeding salicylic acid if the immune system of the plant is already on 11 . From the infections its already got .


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RetroGrow

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http://www.potatogrower.com/2014/05/natural-relief

Natural Relief?

Salicylic acid’s potential for crop protection

Published in the May 2014 Issue — Published online: May 02, 2014 —



Willow trees are well-known sources of salicylic acid, and for thousands of years, humans have extracted the compound from the tree’s bark to alleviate minor pain, fever and inflammation.

Now, salicylic acid may also offer relief to crop plants by priming their defenses against a microbial menace known as “potato purple top phytoplasma.” Outbreaks of the cell-wall-less bacterium in the fertile Columbia Basin region of the Pacific Northwest in 2002 and subsequent years inflicted severe yield and quality losses on potato crops. The Agricultural Research Service identified an insect accomplice—the beet leafhopper, which transmits the phytoplasma to plants while feeding.

Carefully timed insecticide applications can deter such feeding. But once infected, a plant cannot be cured. Now, a promising lead has emerged. An ARS-University of Maryland team has found evidence that pre-treating tomato plants, a relative of the potato, with salicylic acid can prevent phytoplasma infections or at least diminish their severity.

Treating crops with salicylic acid to help them fend off bacteria, fungi and viruses isn’t new, but there are no published studies demonstrating its potential in preventing diseases caused by phytoplasmas.

Wei Wu, a visiting scientist, investigated salicylic acid’s effects, together with molecular biologist Yan Zhao and others at ARS’s Molecular Plant Pathology Laboratory in Beltsville, Md. “This work reached new frontiers by demonstrating that plants could be beneficially treated even before they become infected and by quantifying gene activity underlying salicylic acid’s preventive role,” said Robert E. Davis, the lab’s research leader.

For the study, published in the July 2012 Annals of Applied Biology, the team applied two salicylic acid treatments to potted tomato seedlings. The first application was via a spray solution four weeks after the seedlings were planted. The second was via a root drench two days before phytoplasma-infected scions were grafted onto the plants’ stems to induce disease. A control group of plants was not treated.

In addition to visually inspecting the plants for disease symptoms, the team analyzed leaf samples for the phytoplasma’s unique DNA fingerprint, which turned up in 94 percent of samples from untreated plants but in only 47 percent of treated ones. Moreover, ymptoms in the treated group were far milder than in untreated plants. In fact, analysis of mildly infected treated plants revealed phytoplasma levels 300 times below those of untreated plants, meaning that the salicylic acid treatment must have suppressed pathogen multiplication. Significantly, the remaining 53 percent of treated plants were symptom- and pathogen-free 40 days after exposure to the infected scions.

Researchers credit salicylic acid with triggering “systemic acquired resistance,” a state of general readiness against microbial or insect attack. Using quantitative polymerase chain reaction procedures, the team also identified three regulatory defense genes whose activity was higher in treated plants than in untreated ones.

Why salicylic acid had this effect isn’t known. Other questions remain as well, including how treated plants will fare under field conditions. Nonetheless, such investigations could set the stage for providing growers of potato, tomato and other susceptible crops some insurance against phytoplasmas in outbreak-prone regions.



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Hey Storm Boy, I've been saying this for years, but you are too ignorant to listen. Had you listened to MY advice and added aspirin to your rez at all times, you would not be the King of Duds. Enjoy your duds. Turbo posting crap only makes you look like the arrogant person that you are. Trying to obliterate other's postings by posting pages of garbage makes you look like a two year old.
 

gaiusmarius

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it is indeed not acceptable to post like that Storm, put all those links in 1 post, no point making 10 posts in a row when there is no need at all. gonna start merging.
 

blynx

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what magnification is that?



Retro, they aren't like bm eggs afaik. The round dots that you see on bms eggs (as seen is storm shadows pics) are not on these. I think the photos werre taken at 200x and then I zoomed in on a tablet and took a screen shot. I can see these in my handheld 60-100x led scope.
<SNIP>

When using various 'hi-tech' instruments to view things, keep in mind that optical zoom is what matters most when it comes to clarity of the image. Optical zoom is the zoom ability of the actual lens.

Digital zoom is interpolated. You can do the same thing in Photoshop.

Yea it's cool to have your camera, or hand-held scope do it for you real-time on a screen, but the better the optical zoom the clearer the image.

Those pictures were taken at an optical zoom of 54x, then interpolated 4x to '200x'.

Usually you won't have a choice with lower end usb microscopes, hand-held scopes, etc, but when looking at a camera, you do have choices when it comes to optical/digital zoom. If zoom is important to you, then buy the highest optical zoom you can afford.

An image taken with a 10x optical zoom is going to be sharper than a 2x optical zoom with 5x digital zoom.
 

xxxstr8edgexxx

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this is fucking stupid. yall need to find a hobby. if youre not contributing to the thread go the fuck outside jesus.its beautiful out. enough bickering ignore function. please use it.

alert new post on dud thread!!!!!!
'' oh cool, ......maybe some lab results...click click ......oh hmmm....... they are still bickering.........hmmmm yeah."

this is gonna be super helpful as a resource. why dont yall meet up somewhere? pm maybe or visitor message or the chat room. the organic hydro thread. no one cares about your witty retorts but you guys. this is rude and self absorbed petty personal bullshit. take it elsewhere.
 

xxxstr8edgexxx

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found a lab finally talked to the actual person accepting samples that runs them. they are going to do it. now that the only samples i had got tossed im on the hunt for friends with duds. if you have a dud and want it tested shoot a pm my way. they can test for everything thats been discussed here. phytoplasma being the most difficult but i am going to run it anyway. i have a few folks to ask that i know had been having this and im hoping someone will chime in with a sample. there are methods for rectifying some of these that have been discussed.
 

RetroGrow

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this is fucking stupid. yall need to find a hobby. if youre not contributing to the thread go the fuck outside jesus.its beautiful out. enough bickering ignore function. please use it.

alert new post on dud thread!!!!!!
'' oh cool, ......maybe some lab results...click click ......oh hmmm....... they are still bickering.........hmmmm yeah."

this is gonna be super helpful as a resource. why dont yall meet up somewhere? pm maybe or visitor message or the chat room. the organic hydro thread. no one cares about your witty retorts but you guys. this is rude and self absorbed petty personal bullshit. take it elsewhere.

If you want to police the thread, you should probably do it via PM to StormBoy. Otherwise, that's the mods job.
Re labs: already posted a lab that does every kind of testing on cannabis. Anyone can send their samples there for any kind of testing:
http://www.allcropsolutions.com/
They test for everything, including over 100 different fungi, & bacteria, viruses, & phytoplasmas.
If you want to know what things to test for, go back before all of StormBoy's spamming, and you will find Sam's post regarding what kinds of things we need to test for and document.
Note that some tests take as long as a month to get results. Meanwhile, keep aspirin in your rez, and prevent these various pathogens from taking hold.
:ying:
 

xxxstr8edgexxx

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policing? no, but i hear ya. im not flagging anybody. just thought if everyone else wants to openly state all thier opinions at each other in a bickering manner then heres mine. haha. i dont really see any call for the thrashing youve been getting from ss you have every right to respond. but an increase in it all with more people going on and on is just a distraction. not saying anyones viewpoints are unwarranted its just been days on end.
and now an increase?!?!

as for the lab. yes its in cali and mine is more local to me but yes thats awesome i hope people use it. it slipped my mind due to proximity and thread length hahah. different geological perspective. im super stoked on these labs starting to turn up. i wish the one i found was more friendly towards mmj. squeamishness is rampant for now. have you all heard of these elisa kits? supposed to get a link later today. they are apparently like pregnancy tests. sounds intriguing.
If you want to police the thread, you should probably do it via PM to StormBoy. Otherwise, that's the mods job.
Re labs: already posted a lab that does every kind of testing on cannabis. Anyone can send their samples there for any kind of testing:
http://www.allcropsolutions.com/
They test for everything, including over 100 different fungi, & bacteria, viruses, & phytoplasmas.
If you want to know what things to test for, go back before all of StormBoy's spamming, and you will find Sam's post regarding what kinds of things we need to test for and document.
Note that some tests take as long as a month to get results. Meanwhile, keep aspirin in your rez, and prevent these various pathogens from taking hold.
:ying:
 

Sam_Skunkman

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it is indeed not acceptable to post like that Storm, put all those links in 1 post, no point making 10 posts in a row when there is no need at all. gonna start merging.

Please merge all StormShadows posts into just a couple, one short one that is Cannabis specific and the other that is not Cannabis specific, as long as he likes...
The SS can add any new spams to one of the two posts of his.
Problem solved.
Or at least dealt with.
Solving all his problems may be harder then solving the dud mystery.

Not that I have no problems....
-SamS
 
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GeorgeWBush

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You have a lot of nerve posting about the benefits of salicylic acid as a preventative. I have been preaching the use of aspirin on this board for years, and all you did was mock me. If you had listened to me instead of your perpetual dick swinging, you would not be having duds right now.
I never, EVER, grow without aspirin in my rez.
So, please, don't claim "credit" for this "discovery".

what do you mean by "aspirin" like for toothaches ? and I'm not being sarcastic, I'm admitting ignorance and 2 more dumb ?'s please

1. why would you worry about it being a systemic, it's aspirin ?

2. If people take aspirin and it helps them then why would they worry about smoking weed that had aspirin ?
 

Storm Shadow

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AYP aka Aster Yellow Phytoplasma

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Storm Shadow

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No Lab Results ... Str8 Bro Science

I'm guessing just like everyone else... with the exception I have pics to show what I think is wrong... to be honest... when the lab results do come from someone at some point..

I hope its not Phytoplasma or Virus related... that way we can fix the problem and get back to growing with a peace of mind....

No more drama from me in this thread... Im not here to cause problems only help figure them out
 
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