Dubi what do you suggest?

[Justa6655321]

Hi Dubi,

I sure this is a hard question to answer but....out of all your stuff, what do you recomend for someone that wants to start a rare breeding project? What is your pick for makng future crosses? Or how about saving a strain? Or what is the most unusual stuff you have?

and should i buy now or wait until something new comes out?

BTW - i'm going to buy some of the Yuannan today

 

[dubi]

Hi Dubi,

I sure this is a hard question to answer but....out of all your stuff, what do you recomend for someone that wants to start a rare breeding project? What is your pick for makng future crosses? Or how about saving a strain? Or what is the most unusual stuff you have?

and should i buy now or wait until something new comes out?

BTW - i'm going to buy some of the Yuannan today

Welcome Justa665321 :smile:

Mmmmm, Not an easy post to reply.

Firstly, i dont like to separate our catalogue between exotic plants or not.
This is quite subjective and doesnt talk too much about the real traits of the plants we are offering.

About breeding, if you thinking in a long breeding project to stabilize your own desired expressions, i'd recommend you to start with the most uniform lines: nepalese jam, bangi haze, tikal, oldtimer's haze.

If you only want to try a succesful outcross to improve yield and vigour in your own lines, then i'd recommend to cross them with Orient Express.

 

[Justa6655321]

Interesting - thanks for the reply! I just orderd some Orient Express from SB per your recomendation.

OE is very unusual also - i dont think alot of people are running her right now and i dont think there is much else like it out there.

Have you mixed OE with Congo? I'm thinking about crossing it with a Deep Congo i have.

 

[Justa6655321]

BTW - the currency translation came to $66.60 - lol - Maybe i'll call the cross El Diablo

 

[VirginHarvester]

Justa, where did you order your Orient Express?

Dubi, I would like to know a little more about the Vietnamese Black used in OE. Is it all that different from Thai? What kind of high is it on its own and what happens to the sativa side of that being crossed with Yunnan, does it relax the intense effects quite a bit and produce a very well balanced effect? I'm interested because even though Yunnan is an indica I understand it starts out a little like a sativa then mellows. Does the Vietnamese in OE keep put a more sativa effect in the strain but still let the Yunnan finish out the experience to be mellow and warm?

I really like the sound of a strong sativa to start that never overwhelms with edginess then a transition to a nice indica feeling of warmth, but not couchlock. It sounds like a great experience, on you could start early in the evening when you know you'll only be out a couple hours, come home and be very relaxed by the onset of the indica. Maybe it's a good all day smoke too.

I would also say I love the sound of Yunnan on its own, seems like a great strain. I would hope the Yunnan effects come through somewhat in the cross because I would like to see what it is like.

Thanks.

 

[Justa6655321]

Hey Virgin, got mine on Seedbo

Good question about the VB i would love to know also

Dubi - i read that there is a Yunnan strain thats high in CBN - is that correct?

Thansk!

 

[dubi]

Justa, where did you order your Orient Express?

Dubi, I would like to know a little more about the Vietnamese Black used in OE. Is it all that different from Thai? What kind of high is it on its own and what happens to the sativa side of that being crossed with Yunnan, does it relax the intense effects quite a bit and produce a very well balanced effect? I'm interested because even though Yunnan is an indica I understand it starts out a little like a sativa then mellows. Does the Vietnamese in OE keep put a more sativa effect in the strain but still let the Yunnan finish out the experience to be mellow and warm?

I really like the sound of a strong sativa to start that never overwhelms with edginess then a transition to a nice indica feeling of warmth, but not couchlock. It sounds like a great experience, on you could start early in the evening when you know you'll only be out a couple hours, come home and be very relaxed by the onset of the indica. Maybe it's a good all day smoke too.

I would also say I love the sound of Yunnan on its own, seems like a great strain. I would hope the Yunnan effects come through somewhat in the cross because I would like to see what it is like.

Thanks.

High VirginHarvester,

Vietnam Black was a very nice mother we found working with different VB lines (F1 and F2). It's an excellent expression of the dark dense resinous and short flowering VB pheno. Her effect is clear, expansive, social and motivating. Maybe some thai strains are a little bit more caffeinic, other have stronger 'dreamy' nature .... VB is very special on its own, taste is earthy hashy and not lemony spicy like most thai/vietnamese strains.

Here's an interesting thread with good info about VB and other vietnamese strains:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=65963&page=3&pp=15&highlight=vietnam+black

Orient Express is VB x China Yunnan F1 hybrid. Orient Express express the best VB qualities but with a shorter flowering time and better indoor adaptability. VB aroma and taste prevail intact, even intensified thanx to hybrid vigour.

 

[dubi]

Dubi - i read that there is a Yunnan strain thats high in CBN - is that correct?

Thansk!

Honestly, we havent got the resources to analyse our landrace strains and hybrids. Maybe in the future but it has not been done yet.

Chinese Yunnan has a dreamy sativa thaish start, but more sedative, the end of the effect is very hashy, relaxed and pleasant. Im quite sure there are plants with good amounts of CBD.

PD: Higher CBN % usually can be found analysing imported hash (long and bad stored) but rarely in homegrown ganja or hash.

 

[VirginHarvester]

So Orient Express is this combination:

clear, expansive, social and motivating.

dreamy sativa thaish start, but more sedative, the end of the effect is very hashy, relaxed and pleasant.

I have to say this must be an incredible smoke, not racy and finishes relaxed. Seems like the perfect combination for early afternoon, early evening, or even a day on the beach.

 

[ganjabrother]

Hi everyone, Happy new year

I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a general SE asian sativa question among the experts,
dubi, or to anyone who has grown one, how would you say the high of a south indian kerala compares to other thai/vietnamese?
Just asking that because I see it is now sold in pure landrace form, always curious to smoke it even more than a thai, i read they are very powerful, because they were originally bread for their flowers, and not for hash production.

i was thinking of crossing a green haze with a shorter flowering ace strain, or a cannabiogen caribe in the future, but i think i might use a kerala instead...

peace , GB

 

[dubi]

Hi everyone, Happy new year

I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a general SE asian sativa question among the experts,
dubi, or to anyone who has grown one, how would you say the high of a south indian kerala compares to other thai/vietnamese?
Just asking that because I see it is now sold in pure landrace form, always curious to smoke it even more than a thai, i read they are very powerful, because they were originally bread for their flowers, and not for hash production.

i was thinking of crossing a green haze with a shorter flowering ace strain, or a cannabiogen caribe in the future, but i think i might use a kerala instead...

peace , GB

Hello ganja brother,

I have grown different north indian sativas (parvati, manali ...) but never experienced a kerala in pure form.

A haze x kerala cross must be interesting, very very long flowering (5 months) but should be a pleasure to grow in a tropical climate. CBG's Caribe would be a good jamaican inbred hybrid to work with the hazes. I always like the idea to cross good highly tamed but distant sativas (genetically speaking) with haze.

 

[ganjabrother]

Hello ganja brother,

I have grown different north indian sativas (parvati, manali ...) but never experienced a kerala in pure form.

A haze x kerala cross must be interesting, very very long flowering (5 months) but should be a pleasure to grow in a tropical climate. CBG's Caribe would be a good jamaican inbred hybrid to work with the hazes. I always like the idea to cross good highly tamed but distant sativas (genetically speaking) with haze.

, haha, not quite, I expressed myself not very precisely here, I don't have the patience for a green haze indoor at least atm, maybe if I lived in Spain, or a humid tropical zone, climate permitting, I would do it outdoors.
That cross would have been done before, the haze mist, although, the kerala I would plan to use by Real Seeds may be even be a different line.
What I actually meant was an ace strain(BH or NJ)xKerala,
or a most likely a caribeXKerala... the idea would be to create the perfect happy, heart racing, anti anxiety, working man's herb, with a totally exotic profile, maybe slightly increasing the yield of the kerala... project for the more distant future though...
Btw, I'll soon post pics of those BH and NJ i'm runnin,
and up next I will be growin cannabiogen's caribe under MH, and hopefully with UVB reptile fluorescent tubes next time around,
and I'll of course always post notes and share my thoughts with this friendly community :smile:

 

[dubi]

, haha, not quite, I expressed myself not very precisely here, I don't have the patience for a green haze indoor at least atm, maybe if I lived in Spain, or a humid tropical zone, climate permitting, I would do it outdoors.
That cross would have been done before, the haze mist, although, the kerala I would plan to use by Real Seeds may be even be a different line.
What I actually meant was an ace strain(BH or NJ)xKerala,
or a most likely a caribeXKerala... the idea would be to create the perfect happy, heart racing, anti anxiety, working man's herb, with a totally exotic profile, maybe slightly increasing the yield of the kerala... project for the more distant future though...
Btw, I'll soon post pics of those BH and NJ i'm runnin,
and up next I will be growin cannabiogen's caribe under MH, and hopefully with UVB reptile fluorescent tubes next time around,
and I'll of course always post notes and share my thoughts with this friendly community :smile:

Sounds like a good plan for a sativa lover, ganja brother :smile:

One friend is flying today to south india, he's going to be there 2 months and kerala is on the route :wink: Hopefuly he will come back with some seeds.