Dry-sift in cannabutter/oil - Looking for input/experience

[silver hawaiian]

Howdy all

I've spent a fair amount of time poking around, but haven't found much concrete in the way of actual experience or successful method. Some folks saying they just add their dry sift to the recipe like any other dry ingredient, some saying it tends to clump up (good thought), others saying to just let it stew in the butter as you would dried flowers (without having to strain) etc..

I'm figuring to take, say, an ounce of flowers, make dry ice sift out of that, and cook with the kif as I would (same ratios) the same ounce of flowers.

..but the appeal, I'm imagining, is not having to have the stink of flowers simmering, and also to not have the hassle of straining the flowers post-simmer.

An added bonus, also in my imagination, is that I can achieve a relatively high amount of material (via dry sift) to a relatively low amount of fat, vs. trying to simmer an ounce of flowers in, say, a stick of butter.

Any input or experience would be good - I'll even settle for your out-aloud thoughts!

 

[aridbud]

Wrap the material in cheesecloth bundle and simmer with coconut or olive oil and water. I use a crock pot, but can be done stove top and sauce pan....and generally slow cook 8-10 hrs.

Wring out the cheesecloth (let it cool some otherwise you'll scald yourself). I use medical latex gloves (part of my occupation gear) to wring out, then no muss, no fuss.

Refrigerate the oil/water mixture. Once oil condenses, scrape off and put into containers or use the solidified oil in your recipes. Can be frozen for later use.

TASTES MUCH BETTER than loose material!! If using kief and material....put the kief tucking other goods around it in the cheese cloth....you want the oils to disperse, not the slough into the oil mix .

 

[silver hawaiian]

aridbud

Thanks for the input!

What you're describing is essentially the same concept as with dried flowers (or trim) -- simmer the material (kif, in this case, bundled in a little cheesecloth pillow) in the fat for a number of hours, and then separate the fat from the water (used as a sort of buffer), right?

Is that more effective than, say, tossing in a handful of kif into a batch of cookies?

Just curious about exactly how low-tech one can get away with, and what any benefit might be to a [relatively] more involved process..?

Thanks arid!

 

[aridbud]

aridbud

Thanks for the input!

What you're describing is essentially the same concept as with dried flowers (or trim) -- simmer the material (kif, in this case, bundled in a little cheesecloth pillow) in the fat for a number of hours, and then separate the fat from the water (used as a sort of buffer), right?

Is that more effective than, say, tossing in a handful of kif into a batch of cookies?

Just curious about exactly how low-tech one can get away with, and what any benefit might be to a [relatively] more involved process..?

Thanks arid!

Yeah, you can throw in kief into cookies. I find it more pleasing on the palate to do the oil concoction. Try both ways and see which you prefer!!

 

[710Chef]

I would double boil said kief into the butter then strain th compond clarified butter the a chinois that's me though

 

[710Chef]

Thru a ***

 

[darklands]

Hi Silver Hawaiian, I have infused kif into coconut oil before and you are correct in assuming that the benefits include less odor during cooking and the ability to make a small amount of very potent canna oil that does not need to be strained. Straining plant matter is the worst aspect of making cannabutter with flowers in my opinion. Using kif more or less eliminates that step, although the trade-off is that you have to sift out the kif first.

I would decarb the kif and make cannabutter or coconut oil with it rather than just throw kif into cookie batter, but that's just me. I don't use it for baking anyway; I prefer capsules.

A better use for kif in my opinion is to make Everclear tincture with it. Because the volume of kif is so much smaller than the volume of the bud that it came from, you need only a small volume of alcohol to extract it--e.g., one shot of Everclear and one to two grams of kif can become 30 or more doses of the finished tincture. The kif dregs can be easily decanted from the Everclear after extraction, resulting in a fairly clean tincture without too much sediment. The taste is not bad at all, especially if you use a few drops of pure orange oil to aid the extraction.

 

[KronosLab]

Howdy all

I've spent a fair amount of time poking around, but haven't found much concrete in the way of actual experience or successful method. Some folks saying they just add their dry sift to the recipe like any other dry ingredient, some saying it tends to clump up (good thought), others saying to just let it stew in the butter as you would dried flowers (without having to strain) etc..

I'm figuring to take, say, an ounce of flowers, make dry ice sift out of that, and cook with the kif as I would (same ratios) the same ounce of flowers.

..but the appeal, I'm imagining, is not having to have the stink of flowers simmering, and also to not have the hassle of straining the flowers post-simmer.

An added bonus, also in my imagination, is that I can achieve a relatively high amount of material (via dry sift) to a relatively low amount of fat, vs. trying to simmer an ounce of flowers in, say, a stick of butter.

Any input or experience would be good - I'll even settle for your out-aloud thoughts!

Dry sift is a good way to go for edibles.

Best way in my experience is to first decarb the batch of dry sift. Then assay the material with a lab, so the percentage of THC (or CBD) can be accurately dosed. If a lab isn't available, figure the % of a good, already decarbed dry sift with minimal vegetable contaminants at about 25%.

Then mix the decarbed dry sift with a minimal amount of an appropriate oil carrier. For example, mixing 40% of peanut oil gives a good, usable mixture. Other oils (sesame, canola, olive, etc) work just as well, depending on the final product being produced. Let the material sit for a while. Overnight is good. The key is to allow the cannabinoids to diffuse into the oil carrier. One can add a bit of 95% ethyl alcohol (e.g. Everclear) to help speed the diffusion. The alcohol will evaporate off in almost any baking or cooking process.

Then make up your batch of whatever. This method is adaptable to many, many kinds of edibles.

 

[MrManDead]

Interestingly, I've found that dry sift simply added to a recipe with a fair amount of fat, baking at 325 and under, may not produce as intense or full bodied buzz, as my fully decarbed processes, the effects are noticeably more euphoric when partially decarbed. I've tried using less fully decarbed oils, but the effects, while geater, are often less euphoric, and more stoney.

 

[RB56]

You're leaving a lot in the scrap if you make dry sift and throw what's left away. I make dry sift for direct consumption and then make coconut oil for cooking from what's left. Nice not to waste.

I use 2 ounces of trim per 4 ounces of coconut oil and a quart of water. Simmer for 10 hours. Strain out the plant matter and rinse it with boiling water. Cool the water and oil mix. The oil rises to the top of the container and hardens. Pull the oil out and simmer it again for a half hour or so in another quart of water per 4 ounces of oil. Cool and separate again. The water will absorb lots of junk. I repeat the process once more for a really clean result.

You'll end up with more oil than you started with because of the added goodness. I divide the cleaned oil into the number of 4 ounce portions I started with. 16 ounces of oil gets divided into 4 pieces. Just baked a batch of peanut butter cookies. Cookies are 1.5" in diameter. 1/4 cookie is a nice dose.

 

[silver hawaiian]

Wow! I must've lost track of the thread.. Some really great responses in here since last I checked!

For some reference, the batch I made ended up being about 12-14g of dry sift (medium to low-medium grade, I'd say) to 30 cookies. I melted the butter & simmered (if that) with the dry sift for about 10 minutes, chilled the butter, and then cooked as normal.

Dry sift is a good way to go for edibles.

Best way in my experience is to first decarb the batch of dry sift. Then assay the material with a lab, so the percentage of THC (or CBD) can be accurately dosed. If a lab isn't available, figure the % of a good, already decarbed dry sift with minimal vegetable contaminants at about 25%.

Then mix the decarbed dry sift with a minimal amount of an appropriate oil carrier. For example, mixing 40% of peanut oil gives a good, usable mixture. Other oils (sesame, canola, olive, etc) work just as well, depending on the final product being produced. Let the material sit for a while. Overnight is good. The key is to allow the cannabinoids to diffuse into the oil carrier. One can add a bit of 95% ethyl alcohol (e.g. Everclear) to help speed the diffusion. The alcohol will evaporate off in almost any baking or cooking process.

Then make up your batch of whatever. This method is adaptable to many, many kinds of edibles.

Thanks Kronos! What's the simplest way to decarb the dry sift (in a kitchen setting, not a lab)? I've thought before about just throwing the dry sift on some parchment & tossing in the toaster oven at ~ 170 for 20-40 minutes..? ..but every time I've cooked, I skip that step and just go straight to the "add to butter, simmer" step.

Interestingly, I've found that dry sift simply added to a recipe with a fair amount of fat, baking at 325 and under, may not produce as intense or full bodied buzz, as my fully decarbed processes, the effects are noticeably more euphoric when partially decarbed. I've tried using less fully decarbed oils, but the effects, while geater, are often less euphoric, and more stoney.

It's funny you mention the disparity. I gave one of the dry sift cookies to a total weekend-warrior (gets wrecked/can't be in public). He ate 1/4 of it, said it was awesome. And then a couple days later, ate the remaining 3/4, and said he got nothing. I personally have not found the inconsistency, but it's also possible that I'm eating enough at a time (1-2 cookies) that any inconsistency is made up for by volume, so to speak.

What's your process to decarb?

You're leaving a lot in the scrap if you make dry sift and throw what's left away. I make dry sift for direct consumption and then make coconut oil for cooking from what's left. Nice not to waste.

I use 2 ounces of trim per 4 ounces of coconut oil and a quart of water. Simmer for 10 hours. Strain out the plant matter and rinse it with boiling water. Cool the water and oil mix. The oil rises to the top of the container and hardens. Pull the oil out and simmer it again for a half hour or so in another quart of water per 4 ounces of oil. Cool and separate again. The water will absorb lots of junk. I repeat the process once more for a really clean result.

You'll end up with more oil than you started with because of the added goodness. I divide the cleaned oil into the number of 4 ounce portions I started with. 16 ounces of oil gets divided into 4 pieces. Just baked a batch of peanut butter cookies. Cookies are 1.5" in diameter. 1/4 cookie is a nice dose.

Thanks for sharing! I'm interested in the dry sift method just to skip the pot-full-of-simmering-plant-matter-for-12-hours thing.. Good call about washing the butter - something I usually do when I cook with whole flowers, but didn't think to do with the dry sift. My snicker doodles had a bit of a green tinge to 'em.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Use Ghee instead of butter it can be stored at room temps and can be frozen forever.
If you heat the ghee in a double boiler with the dry sift for a half an hour with a lid on the pan, then you can put the mixture in a nylon food grade bag and squeeze it with a norwalk juicer food press like this http://www.norwalkjuicers.com/model-280/ makes a great ghee you can then add to almost any recipe for baked or unbaked goods. Made it 40 years ago with a pound of Original Haze, Wow. I am still not coming down....
-SamS