I don't think the dogs would bother with you unless dogs were told to search. My buddy had a couple plants in his back yard when he saw a police helicopter hovering over his house. He looked out front and saw 2 k-9 dogs with police also. He thought he was screwed, but the cops were looking for someone on the run who cut right through his back yard. The cops and the dogs walked right by the plants without seeing them.... Last time he grew outdoor lol.
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Drug sniffing police dogs(carbon scrubbers)
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If the dog just happened to smell something in your house while being called on the neighbors does this give the police a reason to search? I don't think it would but I don't know for sure.
I was living in the dorms a couple years ago and walked downstairs to leave the building with 3 friends. Well I open the door to go outside JUST as a K-9 unit is walking in. Well I had a pipe in my pocket as well as about an 8th. My two friends had a quarter on each of them as well. The dogs pretty much went straight at us all sniffing but the police didn't search us. I don't know if its because they didn't have a reasonable cause or because they had bigger fish to fry (lots of big drug busts at this college).
I was living in the dorms a couple years ago and walked downstairs to leave the building with 3 friends. Well I open the door to go outside JUST as a K-9 unit is walking in. Well I had a pipe in my pocket as well as about an 8th. My two friends had a quarter on each of them as well. The dogs pretty much went straight at us all sniffing but the police didn't search us. I don't know if its because they didn't have a reasonable cause or because they had bigger fish to fry (lots of big drug busts at this college).
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they left you alone because there are many reasons a dog will sniff you, they most likely thought they smelled another dog or food
WidespreadHigh
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caution in all things
caution in all things
A couple of years ago, when I had a pretty large op in the basement with three rooms going, and a lot of exhaust fans (that did not have scrubbers) we looked out in the front yard and saw three patrol cars, marked, a couple of unmarked, some narcs, some patrol officers, and some big K9s all searching some lowrider, which had been packed with about nine tons of personal belongings, including tvs, and other assorted items. Low and behold, the dogs were out there, and I freaked. Naturally, my brain eventually began working, because I went downstairs and turned everything off,.....no fans to blow air out, no lights to make heat which makes plants want to stink....and I closed off and sealed (as best I could quickly) the rooms. The pups noticed only my princely 115 pound lab/chow....and they went nutso over whatever was in that old chevy. Poor bastards went to jail, and I did not. How I love the laws of survival. I have shrunk my grow, and vent it into the backyard, through carbon....and the room is sealed twice.
The best advice I can give anyone is to shut up about where you grow. Bowser can smell like a motherfucker but you can sink your ship a lot quicker than that K9 can. The second thing I can tell you is to shut up about where you grow. Don't forget either one of the two. Lastly, if you sell from where you grow, expect that people will want to break into your home. I just inherited an entire grow from a friend who got greedy and lazy....a whole bunch of Mr. Nice genetics now grow in my basement.
Bow wow.
wsh
caution in all things
A couple of years ago, when I had a pretty large op in the basement with three rooms going, and a lot of exhaust fans (that did not have scrubbers) we looked out in the front yard and saw three patrol cars, marked, a couple of unmarked, some narcs, some patrol officers, and some big K9s all searching some lowrider, which had been packed with about nine tons of personal belongings, including tvs, and other assorted items. Low and behold, the dogs were out there, and I freaked. Naturally, my brain eventually began working, because I went downstairs and turned everything off,.....no fans to blow air out, no lights to make heat which makes plants want to stink....and I closed off and sealed (as best I could quickly) the rooms. The pups noticed only my princely 115 pound lab/chow....and they went nutso over whatever was in that old chevy. Poor bastards went to jail, and I did not. How I love the laws of survival. I have shrunk my grow, and vent it into the backyard, through carbon....and the room is sealed twice.
The best advice I can give anyone is to shut up about where you grow. Bowser can smell like a motherfucker but you can sink your ship a lot quicker than that K9 can. The second thing I can tell you is to shut up about where you grow. Don't forget either one of the two. Lastly, if you sell from where you grow, expect that people will want to break into your home. I just inherited an entire grow from a friend who got greedy and lazy....a whole bunch of Mr. Nice genetics now grow in my basement.
Bow wow.
wsh
okay...sniffer dogs can smell just about anything, anywhere.
just because you can't smell it with your nose, doesn't mean a sniffer dog can't.
when little jonny cuban packs his 3g's cocain in vacuum sealed bags, seals those bags with wax, then burries them in almost 100kgs of coffee beans..jonny cuban gets caught.
i did some work at a place where they train sniffer dogs, and one day they were doing a demostration day for some government big wigs in order to get some more funding - and what i've written above is what the facility manager said to the government dudes in part of his little "give us money speach", and as he said "little jonny cuban gets caught" they let one of there fully trained dogs loose on 3 metal drums filled with coffee beans - dog found the coke in like 10 seconds.
that said, sniffer dogs generally have to be told to start sniffing, that and the dog won't jump out of the car and then smell your pot instantly, he'd have to be reasonably close to your exhaust and most likly in "sniff" mode.
also - even if, the cops couldn't come around to your door and start searching your house they still need a search warrant and the cops had no reason to be on your property in the first place, in which case whatever the dog discovered would be irrelevant for a search warant.(thats not to say that the police wouldn't find away to get a search warrant - but you'd have time to clean up atleast)
just because you can't smell it with your nose, doesn't mean a sniffer dog can't.
when little jonny cuban packs his 3g's cocain in vacuum sealed bags, seals those bags with wax, then burries them in almost 100kgs of coffee beans..jonny cuban gets caught.
i did some work at a place where they train sniffer dogs, and one day they were doing a demostration day for some government big wigs in order to get some more funding - and what i've written above is what the facility manager said to the government dudes in part of his little "give us money speach", and as he said "little jonny cuban gets caught" they let one of there fully trained dogs loose on 3 metal drums filled with coffee beans - dog found the coke in like 10 seconds.
that said, sniffer dogs generally have to be told to start sniffing, that and the dog won't jump out of the car and then smell your pot instantly, he'd have to be reasonably close to your exhaust and most likly in "sniff" mode.
also - even if, the cops couldn't come around to your door and start searching your house they still need a search warrant and the cops had no reason to be on your property in the first place, in which case whatever the dog discovered would be irrelevant for a search warant.(thats not to say that the police wouldn't find away to get a search warrant - but you'd have time to clean up atleast)
Reign of Terror
Active member
^^^ put it in better words than I
cropmanagement
Active member
weed flash im with you, my neighbor behind me is a cop and drives the k-9 unit, and i see it over there but im never bothered...
Stoner133
Active member
On this occasion, HempKat is right on....
Dogs are our first domesticated animals.
Why? Because they are social animals and they have a sense we lack.... a world of odors they sense in Technicolour.... At best, the aromas of Coffee and Bacon sizzling on the grill is our norm. Expert palates can disingenious finer scents, but that takes a lifetime of experience.
If LEO brings in a dog, they will find whatever is present to find.... period.
If LEO is busy next door, the dogs are unlikely to initiate a spontaneous investigation.
Being said, I would not want to a see a trained dog upwind of my garden.
Dogs are our first domesticated animals.
Why? Because they are social animals and they have a sense we lack.... a world of odors they sense in Technicolour.... At best, the aromas of Coffee and Bacon sizzling on the grill is our norm. Expert palates can disingenious finer scents, but that takes a lifetime of experience.
If LEO brings in a dog, they will find whatever is present to find.... period.
If LEO is busy next door, the dogs are unlikely to initiate a spontaneous investigation.
Being said, I would not want to a see a trained dog upwind of my garden.
Budweiser13
Active member
Good input everyone thanks for the replys I hope no one ever gets in trouble in a situation like this. I am somewhat paranoid can ya tell. Any way I dont grow yet I would like to some day but what I am doing is reasearching the hell out of every aspect of this so when and if I do it I can do it as safe as possible. And I agree #1 rule loose lips sink ships that is a givin......Be safe everyone................ 
tankgunner
Member
i have to disagree with some respectfully. i dont care how it's sealed those dogs can sniff out just about anything especially weed. sealed in zip-lock baggies or whatever.think about it they can smell a corpse under many.many feet of water. but it doesnt really matter if your shit stinks or not. all po po have to do is say they smelled it even if they cant,thats enough in most states to knock down your door. i may be wrong jmo.
Had a huge police scene across the street last year when my trashy neighbours basically had a huge brawl on the front lawn/street. Anyhow like 8 cop cars showed up along with a SUV with 2 dogs. The SUV was parked about 30m from by balcony for like 2 hours. On my balcony was 12 big stinky girls.
Needless to say I was a little nervous but nothing happened.
Needless to say I was a little nervous but nothing happened.
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this is kind of irrelevant but i find it interesting. i heard that the way dogs smells is like this:
say you just brought home a subway sandwhich, this is what your dog smells
mmm bread
mmm lettuce
mmm pepperoni
mmm salami
mmm tomatoe
mmm mustard
i just thought that was kind of cool how they like smell in layers...
say you just brought home a subway sandwhich, this is what your dog smells
mmm bread
mmm lettuce
mmm pepperoni
mmm salami
mmm tomatoe
mmm mustard
i just thought that was kind of cool how they like smell in layers...
curtisd said:
It's not so much that they smell in layers but rather they can pick out individual scents from things containing multiple scents. So where we would just smell the sub as an overall combined scent a dog can pick out the individual odors like your example illustrated.
Also, dogs can not smell thru vacuum seal packages (unless the material used is unusually thin). At least that is what was told to me by a trainer of drug sniffing dogs. He said if a dog alerts to that it's because the person packaging it got scent on the outside of the package. Now when I say vacuum sealed I'm not talking a zip lock or anything like that. I'm talking the stuff where you fill a bag, stick the open end in a machine which then sucks out the air and then melts the plastic shut sealing it.
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get a CAN FILTER and youre done, Get the biggest you can afford with a good fan, no smells here...
Teadaemon
Member
Some good info here, but there's a few points that probably bear closer examination:
1) Not every police dog is trained to detect substances by smell. If your next door neighbour decides to host a small riot and the cops show up with dogs (especially if they're huge German Shepherds or similar) then they're almost certainly trained to hunt people and if necessary attack them.
2) Sniffer dogs are superhuman, not supernatural. Yes if there's molecules of the substance they're trained to smell reaching their nasal passages there's a good chance they'll notice them, but if not they can't. I remember reading Mr. Nice by Howard Marks and him metioning that when he went to watch hash production in Pakistan the vacuum sealed packages of hash were washed in organic solvents to remove all trace of hash and then vacuum sealed again with clean materials.
I don't go quite that far, but if I'm travelling by train I tend to double-bag my stash tin inside zip-lock freezer bags (I rinse my hands with isopropyl alcohol in between handling gear and the bags) and then wrap it in a nappy (diaper) sack - they're impregnated with compounds designed to adsorb odour molecules, and don't particularly care what their adsorbing. I do this because in the UK cops are known to use sniffer dogs at stations and on trains, mainly looking for couriers with a rucksack full, but they'll pick up anyone they find (although they'll probably only give you a warning if you're caught with a small amount, I'd rather not lose my stash).
3) It's not something the cops like people to know, but being a sniffer dog is bloody hard work for the dog. They can't pull an eight hour shift like their handler can, in fact 20-30 minutes at a stretch is about as long as they can normally work before taking a break for an hour or two. They take quite a while to train and each one requires a handler to work with, not just any old cop either, normally man and dog work as a team, though it's conceivable that one handler might have two or three dogs working shifts to cover more time. Anyway, what I'm trying to put across is that cops generally like to exagerate the effectiveness of sniffer dogs, either to get more money for more dogs (they're not cheap), scare people, or to provide a cover story to protect their intelligence sources.
1) Not every police dog is trained to detect substances by smell. If your next door neighbour decides to host a small riot and the cops show up with dogs (especially if they're huge German Shepherds or similar) then they're almost certainly trained to hunt people and if necessary attack them.
2) Sniffer dogs are superhuman, not supernatural. Yes if there's molecules of the substance they're trained to smell reaching their nasal passages there's a good chance they'll notice them, but if not they can't. I remember reading Mr. Nice by Howard Marks and him metioning that when he went to watch hash production in Pakistan the vacuum sealed packages of hash were washed in organic solvents to remove all trace of hash and then vacuum sealed again with clean materials.
I don't go quite that far, but if I'm travelling by train I tend to double-bag my stash tin inside zip-lock freezer bags (I rinse my hands with isopropyl alcohol in between handling gear and the bags) and then wrap it in a nappy (diaper) sack - they're impregnated with compounds designed to adsorb odour molecules, and don't particularly care what their adsorbing. I do this because in the UK cops are known to use sniffer dogs at stations and on trains, mainly looking for couriers with a rucksack full, but they'll pick up anyone they find (although they'll probably only give you a warning if you're caught with a small amount, I'd rather not lose my stash).
3) It's not something the cops like people to know, but being a sniffer dog is bloody hard work for the dog. They can't pull an eight hour shift like their handler can, in fact 20-30 minutes at a stretch is about as long as they can normally work before taking a break for an hour or two. They take quite a while to train and each one requires a handler to work with, not just any old cop either, normally man and dog work as a team, though it's conceivable that one handler might have two or three dogs working shifts to cover more time. Anyway, what I'm trying to put across is that cops generally like to exagerate the effectiveness of sniffer dogs, either to get more money for more dogs (they're not cheap), scare people, or to provide a cover story to protect their intelligence sources.
Stoney Bologna
Member
Here's an anecdote to add to this pile of knowledge:
Last summer I was backpacking in Europe. While at the train station in Berlin, I walked within 10 meters of a police officer with a dog. I thought nothing of it. When I went to bed that night, I discovered a small baggy with a half-smoked joint of AK-48 that I had left in the pocket of my pants while I was in Amsterdam a couple days before.
So, when I was in the train station earlier that day, I actually carried a small amount of herb-- in a single plastic bag-- within 10 meters of a police dog. I consider myself very lucky because before this happened I always assumed a drug dog could easily sniff somebody out under those circumstances. Just something to consider.
Cheers
Last summer I was backpacking in Europe. While at the train station in Berlin, I walked within 10 meters of a police officer with a dog. I thought nothing of it. When I went to bed that night, I discovered a small baggy with a half-smoked joint of AK-48 that I had left in the pocket of my pants while I was in Amsterdam a couple days before.
So, when I was in the train station earlier that day, I actually carried a small amount of herb-- in a single plastic bag-- within 10 meters of a police dog. I consider myself very lucky because before this happened I always assumed a drug dog could easily sniff somebody out under those circumstances. Just something to consider.
Cheers
senseless
Active member
i think like many people mentioned the dogs have to be told to start smelling.
just because the dog can smell weed doesnt mean it needs to find it. does the dog know if something is against the law? if it notices something against the law is it trained to report it?
i doubt the dog itself cares less if you have weed on you, it just does what its told when it is told to do it.
just because the dog can smell weed doesnt mean it needs to find it. does the dog know if something is against the law? if it notices something against the law is it trained to report it?
i doubt the dog itself cares less if you have weed on you, it just does what its told when it is told to do it.
RuralRoute420
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i thought k-9's weren't trained to sniff all the time. it's more of a command. a drug dog "could" walk within smelling distance of drugs and not detect them. this DOES happen. also, police dogs give a lot of "false positives" due to way they are trained i read. they are rewarded with treats, thus when out searching, they want another treat, duh...
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i thought k-9's weren't trained to sniff all the time. it's more of a command. a drug dog "could" walk within smelling distance of drugs and not detect them. this DOES happen. also, police dogs give a lot of "false positives" due to way they are trained i read. they are rewarded with treats, thus when out searching, they want another treat, duh...
