Droopy leaves, serrated tips pointing up, dry leaf texture

[DONAJTHEIII]

I do plain water only so the nutrition should be in the soil already. I also hit it with a compost tea so that should help make the amendments more available if that really was the problem.

Even though you shouldn't need to pH water with organic growing...I am leaning more and more towards that. Guess I'll make sure my water pH is on point the next couple weeks and see what happens.

Frustrating

The key word in your statement is should. I don't think it does like I said I'm not seeing burn but defs

 

[MileHighGlass]

This is pretty crazy because on your second round your plant should look amazing. Seems weird to develop an issue so soon. Are you getting any run off from your pots? Did you buy "coots" mix, or make it yourself?

I have ran my personal mix for years and not seen one problem ever. How was your first run with this mix? Do you have pictures?

 

[BusinessFactory]

This is pretty crazy because on your second round your plant should look amazing. Seems weird to develop an issue so soon. Are you getting any run off from your pots? Did you buy "coots" mix, or make it yourself?

I have ran my personal mix for years and not seen one problem ever. How was your first run with this mix? Do you have pictures?

I know, right? That's why I was so focused on the humidity, which has helped but not fixed the problem.

I am not getting run off, I was under the impression that would just rinse out a lot of the nutrition.

2 of the 3 pots were the coots recipe mixed by a friend and the 3rd is the build a soil original mix. The BAS one is the one in all the pictures that looks most affected.

The first run was really great! Towards the end of flower I did noticed a bit of limey colored leaves before they faded hard but the one thing that definitely happened was the serrated tips pointing up and the overall droopy leaves. I chalked it up to plants at the end of their life but sure enough, it's back on the next round. I attached a pic near the end, you can see the droop on the bigger leaves.

 

[MileHighGlass]

I use tap water but I run it through a sediment filter, and a carbon filter. I have never tested the ph. I have yet to experience a problem with any water source I have used, whether it be well water or City water. As far as the ph goes, it should get buffered by the soil. Adding the gypsum and lime/oyster shell flour isnt a bad idea.

I don't know coots mix by heart, but does it come already with gypsum, and lime/oyster shell flour mixed into it?

 

[BusinessFactory]

I use tap water but I run it through a sediment filter, and a carbon filter. I have never tested the ph. I have yet to experience a problem with any water source I have used, whether it be well water or City water. As far as the ph goes, it should get buffered by the soil. Adding the gypsum and lime/oyster shell flour isnt a bad idea.

I don't know coots mix by heart, but does it come already with gypsum, and lime/oyster shell flour mixed into it?

Yeah this has got me thinking I might want to invest in an RO filter.

I actually did top dress with OSF and Gypsum about a week ago. Not sure how long that would take to see any differences but nothing yet. I just dusted it under the mulch but I did not add a layer of EWC or anything on top before putting the mulch back down.

The coots mix does indeed both have OSF and Gypsum to start. Not sure the exact amount per CF though.

 

[PoweredByLove]

either too wet or mag def. add some epsom salt 1tsp/gal to your next watering or topdress with some dolomite and water it in.

 

[marrdogg]

Nope but I ordered a $16 soil pH tester from amazon. Should have it tomorrow. As long as it can give me an idea of if my soil is acidic or alkaline, it will be worth it.

How do you do the slurry test?

What I used to do is fill a solo cup about quarter full with soil, then I fill with r/o or distilled water til bout halfway. Mix it real good and let set about 12hrs. Come back mix good again stick ya ph meter in and see what ya got.
PEACE!

 

[BusinessFactory]

So I gave them a epsom salt foliar two days ago, no real difference.

Also got my soil pH meter. Assuming this thing is fairly accurate, my pH range looks good, 6.5-7.

What the fuck! Seems like I'll never get this sorted in time for flowering. My clones upstairs look amazing, nice and green and praying leaves...seems like it's gotta be an environmental thing..

 

[HereIgrowagain]

I keep my PH between 5.5-6.2 A slight calmag deff on your leaves but nowt to worry about in my eyes. That grow just above ^^ looks sublime and perfect to me. Good luck.

 

[BusinessFactory]

Also here is a current pic from my web cam. Light green, still drooped leaves, still has the serrated tips sticking up.

 

[Bwanabud]

To add my 2 cents: I think you're media is too wet, locking out Nitrogen and Magnesium...this could be due to the large size of the pot, or the lack of a quality draining product like chunky Perlite. I mix 50% Perlite with my media, then I get good drainage, more oxygen to the roots, and the pots don't sit wet.

I would transplant those girls into 5 gallon pots ASAP if they were mine, add some chunky Perlite, let them dry out a bit...start again keeping the PH around 6.5-7 for organic.

 

[Mikell]

What I used to do is fill a solo cup about quarter full with soil, then I fill with r/o or distilled water til bout halfway. Mix it real good and let set about 12hrs. Come back mix good again stick ya ph meter in and see what ya got.
PEACE!

Slurry can be read 30 minutes after mixing. It might change 0.1 within another half hour. 12hrs is excessive but not detrimental or anything.


Microbeman breaks it down in the Organic subforum, otherwise just google an *.edu site.

 

[Bwanabud]

I usually check mine in about an hour, I shouldn't think it's a priority to check if you're organic. Some hygrozyme would help the girls start feeding also.

 

[BusinessFactory]

Getting worse.. has to be pH showing several problems. I don't really know what to do about that in this soil. Latest spots make me think phosphorus but I'm sure the soil has plenty. I do have some 0-12-0 seabird guano but I'm worried it's just locked out.

I also turned off the blumats and will probably hand water the first time tonight, they are getting pretty dry. RIP red wigglers

 

[Bwanabud]

Without the updates of what you've changed, diagnosis will be pure guesses at this point.

What PH water are you using now?
Did you do a soil run-off test for PH ?
Did you check the soil PPM at the same time ?
Are they still in 15 gallon pots ?

They look hungry to me for N & Mg, but wet soil/wrong PH/bad soil conditions could do all of that.

 

[BusinessFactory]

Without the updates of what you've changed, diagnosis will be pure guesses at this point.

What PH water are you using now?
Did you do a soil run-off test for PH ?
Did you check the soil PPM at the same time ?
Are they still in 15 gallon pots ?

They look hungry to me for N & Mg, but wet soil/wrong PH/bad soil conditions could do all of that.

I've posted everything I've done in this thread. I am not pHing the water since it shouldn't be needed with organic soil. My Denver tap is usually 7.8-8.2. I have not checked the ppm or run off ph. I don't usually water till it runs off. Still in the 15 gallons.

Hopefully letting them dry out more and hand watering for a few weeks will turn this around. I'm almost certain its locked out but not sure if that from pH or overwatering.

 

[Bwanabud]

Then you didn't listen to the sound advice that was offered to you by many members, you posted that changes would be made...but never did any of them.

So read back thru your own thread, and find the answers...then make the changes, or don't bother with updates that don't give info or neglected to heed advice.

 

[BusinessFactory]

The first thing you said was over watering which im in the process of fixing by turning off blumats and letting them dry. The soil is 1/3 aeration already.

Ditching no-till, adding perlite, using hygrozyme, etc, are not things I'm willing to do because it basically means I gave up on this style of growing. These plants are expendable, learning how to grow properly is not. I appreciate your feedback and you have steered me down the path of fixing a potential over watering problem... sadly growing doesn't lend itself to fast results so I updated with more pics anf a current status, that's all.

 

[MikeGreat]

You never updated this thread.... I am having a similar result in Coco and I will love to know how you corrected this issue... Thanks
Mike.

 

[BusinessFactory]

Sorry dude, it's been a long time in the making but it all eventually led to low rH. Once I bumped up the humidity, everything went back to normal. I also added more aeration (pumice) in the soil which I think helped.