Driving With Money is a Crime: Federal Appeals Court rules

[Remailer]

moose eater- you are correct and well said.

I would like to add that if he would have used the story that " he saved it over time" they would credit check background check and look all into his money. But becasue he said a few people went on, now they are all looked into becasue now it is a conspriecy issue... RICO act. Sorry about my spelling i'm high

 

[Closet Funk]

That's smacked! fucking vultures they are. I need a one way out of the US.

 

[HarryNugz]

refrigerated trucks don't cost $124,700 first of all.

Not entirely true, those mobile taco trucks cost upwards of that amount and may actually be what the group or that guy intended to purchase.

 

[nukn futz]

the guys obviously lying, you need to declare 10g`s or more on an airplane and no truck dealer will take 124g`s in cash as payment, its illegal! hell I couldnt even pay cash for a 38k f350.

where was his MC authority if he and his friends were going to buy a truck, where was his insurance if he was gonna drive it home, I mean not to actually defend the government but I think they had a slam dunk here.

 

[nukn futz]

oh and if the guy was gonna be an over the road truck driver a tractor and reefer trailer can cost much more then 124k, average class 8 truck is around 109k new, add another 40k minimum for a new reefer.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

thats not the point-the point is the court has said fuck u we r the court and dnt have to prove anything, our super pigs only have to think u might be naughty and we will rob u and if you put up a fuss we'll fuck u and ur family and lock u up for nything we can

 

[nukn futz]

or like I said the court knew he was lying, theres no way he legally declared 124 grand on an airplane and they just forgot about it, and he couldn`t have paid that much in cash for a truck.

 

[Guest]

^^^Air travel doesn't require a disclosure of any amount of money unless you're crossing a federal border... which there's no evidence thus far that this man did..

There is nothing illegal about $124k in cash at all.. what-so-ever... period.

If your truck dealer refused to accept $38k in cash, it was simply his personal decision, or company policy relative to either suspecting that it might be complicit to 'laundering,' or it may have been an aversion toward newer federal reporting laws under the USA PATRIOT Act.

Not even the USA PATRIOT Act forbids accepting large amounts of cash, but for specific businesses, it requires reporting large transactions, and it expanded the definitions of 'finacnial institutions' that are required to report.

And the court failed to prove -any- illegal activity relative to the cash in question.

CASH IS NOT ILLEGAL. IT MAY BE SUSPICIOUS TO PRESENT IN LARGE QUANTITIES AT TIMES.. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY -NOT- ILLEGAL...

moose eater

 

[cadillachydro]

Anyone that has that kind of money and doesnt place it in some kind of institution is a idiot. Its 2006, the world is what it is. Understand that people. Why is anyone even standing up for this guy. If the money was legit, there wouldve been proof in paper trails and what not. And just say this dude WAS living back in 1950's style, collecting in a shoebox behind a chimney stone, Hes a turd for rolling around with it. A speeding mexican without a checking account, no credit cards and doesnt speak english... in a car that has been alerted by drug sniffing dogs...Gimme a break. Wake up. The money was dirty. We took it. And for all the defenders who travel with 124k in your car with no paper trail, we'll take youres too... not just because we can, but because someone with your lack of intelligence and common sense shouldnt be trusted with 124k.

 

[Guest]

^^^
I take it that the concepts of 'innocent until proven guilty,' 'freedom,' and 'limited government power' aren't supported enthusiastically at your house.

And what does his not speaking English have to do with whether or not he oughta' have cash??

And we wonder what happened to the pursuit of the dream of freedom in Amerika!

I could just as easily paraphrase the words written above, and say that, "anyone who grows an easy-to-smell source of contraband deserves what they get," and it would be equally open-minded and justice-oriented. It's the equivalent of what's stated above.

But I'll guarantee one thing; -anyone- lifting $124k out of -my- pocket without proof that it was the product of either theft, or an unprovoked violent criminal activity, isn't going to have a pulse long enough to spend it...

moose eater

 

[macster]

Jesus Christ
And to think my dad and ALOT of other men went to war to fight this shit. And then some dumbass comes up with that post.
Are you all in favour of some brown shirted dickhead searching your house car etc. and confiscating anything they wish with government approval
What the hell do you think this website all about ??
If your 12 years old you have an excuse for that rant otherwise think for a few minutes before typing out opinions like that.

 

[Guest]

It's a sad time for this country, Mac. Seriously.

This country has lost its vision and dream. What was once a quest for unattained-but at-least-pursued freedom and self-determination, is now a quest and love of Budweiser, a better buzz, hollow nationalistic egos that support the blind concepts of empire, and the newest sit-com. Maybe even a football game instead.

The courage to confront these nazi-esque bastards is on life support, and only the few who openly say "Fuck you!!" are left to confront what is so -WAY- over-due in confronting.

How Orwellian is it when those who are pursued and persecuted for personal choices of freedom, make excuses for (or even openly support) their pursuers and persecutors?

This country stopped being "by, for, and of the People," when corporations were afforded the same (and more) rights as individuals, and corporations placed themselves in positions to determine the 'menu' on our voters' ballots.

The flags that fly at my home are not the 'stars and stripes' that have been turned into a form of nationalist idolatry by those who do harm to freedom, (ironically in the name of <faux> 'freedom'). It is rather the flag that many of our Founders flew; the Gadsden. The seven-segmented, coiled snake, with the words, "Don't Tread On Me!!" printed large and visible at the bottom. I fly them proudly in both traditional black-on-white, and in rasta colors as well.

"Liberty or death!!"

moose eater

 

[cadillachydro]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.... The money was dirty. I see we have some real "convienient" americans here. How typical. Those that can rant from their couch or pc against the country that not only "did my dad fight for" but I did as well... for 6 years of my life. Although this really isnt my point, just wanted to let ya know that hanging on daddys coat tails dont hold any weight over here Mac. This is still the greatest country for freedom, you just cant be a fucking idiot. What Im seeing are bitchers and complainers... you know what, take it someplace else... Move. Get out of the states. I'll help you pack. Move to Iraq or Pakistan... get pulled over there with 124k of untraceable funds, lets see what happens. Im sure youll just drive off. Riiiiiiiight. Im done with this thread. Moose eater, ive read and agreed with many of your posts, you seem to be a smart guy... but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Guest]

Cadillac,

I've travelled some, and lived in other countries than this one as well.

We once pursued freedom here. Now we merely talk about it while jack-hammering it.

We now -lead- the entire world in per capita rates of incarceration. Seriously. And it's not a new phenomenon, either. We've held that esteemed position globally for a number of years now. And our death rows are growing too.

We cannot simultaneously take freedoms, empower government beyond its just role, imprison and dehumanize persons for individual personal choices, and claim 'freedom' as our identity and purpose. The two directions are inconsistent with each other.

Even in a bleak world, if every other country -were- less free than this one, to compare our freedoms to other governments who actively oppress others would still be a form of what I call 'negative relativism.' To base the objectives of what we state our dream to be on others' records of under-achievement makes no sense. It inherently fails to identify how far or near we are to our own dreams and goals.

But we are not the freest anymore. You and I need permission of one sort or another to do damned near anything serious in our lives. The Dems kill our freedom with kindness and their totalitarian-socialist, rhetorical concern for the 'children.' And the Repubs kill it with fear of a weakened nation. Either way, freedom dies.

You've offered up some rigid countries that might not always tolerate our version of freedom, but there are other countries that I've been to where I can speak (and have spoken) as freely, or moreso, than I do here.

Our country's heart is dying, man. The dreams are dying. It's being done in the name of nationalism, false pride, and fear-mongering. Freedom has -always- had costs, and it always will. And they're not limited, nor should they be, to amputee veterans in wheel-chairs with prior combat service. If we want freedom here, it'll have to be with -all- of us accepting some risk. Or we may as well kiss it all good-bye. Being 'kinda' free' is alot like being 'kinda pregnant.' You either are, or you aren't.

Honestly, if I could be assured of my ability to get into New Zealand or some other countries (not that they're utopias, by any means), to take my family with me, and regain a sense of what it was like to live in a simpler, more humble country, I'd do it in a fucking heart-beat.

But in the 'land of the free,' with my authorship and activism in the past (yes, I have been a high-profile activist many times over), despite not having an adult criminal record, because this 'free land's' government takes notes, and now enters the computer age where everything we've written is laid bare, it's almost certain that I would not be accepted into many countries.

Ironic isn't it? The freedom of speech is supposedly a guaranteed birth-right. And then the same country that supposedly supports it in writing in the form of the Bill of Rights, tracks it to the point that it becomes like the tattoos on the Jews' arms.

This is serious stuff for me.

I'd like my kids to know even the limited freedom that I have known. Not for the sake of rhetoric or nostalgia, but for the sake of self-determination, freedom, and dignity.

Without those things, it is not a full life. I'd rather that they face risks, and perhaps even skin their proverbial knees, than to see them living in -any- degree of totalitarianism.

That is what our Founders, in part, died for. Perhaps more of us will die for it yet.

moose eater.

 

[macster]

The amazing thing about this decision is that the defendant had to prove that the money was clean not that the state had the perponderance of proof that the money was dirty.
If I were an American that would scare the crap outta me. Where's the NRA when you need them eh. Funny when you have to leave it to gun huggers to defend your civil liberties.

 

[Guest]

>>>Funny when you have to leave it to gun huggers to defend your civil liberties<<<

I think that I would have used the word 'sad' rather than 'funny.' Personal semantics, I guess.

The Founders included the Second Amendment specifically for putting down "tyranny, both foreign and domestic." They were not opposed to drawing down on their own government. They'd already done it.

One said it this way, (though he also said other similar things as well):

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” - Patrick Henry

When governments become drunk on power and expedience, rather than justice and freedom, then force, personal evolution of the heart and soul, and reasoning/rationale are the only three things that I know of that can change that.

In those circumstances, force may sometimes be the only way that a person may keep what is their's. In that case, we may only have what we are willing to bleed for. And Amerika, for the most part, has become way too comfortable to bleed for very much... as evidenced by the laws that we now allow to be passed. (Not that we mind making others bleed for our sins... )

For others of us, walking through this life hasn't always been too impressive anyway, despite all/some of the good that we've experienced. So if that's what it takes to make it right, then that's what it takes. We're all gonna' go sometime, whether it be standing tall with 'chin to the wind,' or kneeling and sniveling, kissing fascist butt, and licking jack-boots. The worms will eat us either way.

"Don't Tread On Me"

moose eater

 

[macster]

You are of course correct when you say sad as opposed to funny Moose eater.
And sadder still (or is it one and the same) is Cadillachydro (not to center him out as it's very common) attitude of complacency.
Our youth don't recognize the importance of our civil liberties, no one seems upset when the police or government pull a fast one and get away with it.
This is a very slippery slope, I've heard it said and it looks scary for or future generations for they won't know what they have till they lose it.

 

[Guest]

I no longer stand and place my hand over my heart for the 'Star Spangled Banner' or for the 'Pledge of Allegiance,' or even for religious convocations for that matter, and have been publicly ridiculed for not doing so at speaking events, and when giving testimony to various governmental bodies.. In my opinion, those things are a part of what has been manipulatively used to lead people blindly to where we are now as a country, and toward where we're apparently headed.

But when my daughter plays 'America the Beautiful' on her violin, I sometimes quietly and privately weep.

moose eater

 

[Ron Bennett]

It should be up to the government to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the money is "dirty" ...

Asset forfeiture requires far less proof; in many instances, effectively none at all!

The costs of litigation is beyond the means of many and thus once a government official takes the money, they have little fear of losing it.

The fundlemental problem, beyond the various legal aspects, with asset forgeiture is that it creates a conflict of interest, especially when one's job / organization depends on funding derived from such activity.

In regards to the comments about guns ... any revolution would likely take firepower a more than that; notice the level of respect North Korea and other countries with nukes get compared to those without ... ie. Iraq.

Hand guns, rifles, etc are no match, especially when various types of guns are already illegal, for the government these days; are easily tracked anyways, so it's very likely the government will take preemptive action against problematic gun owners first - law enforcement often already does that in a matter of speaking when it comes to raids in that they will check various gun related databases.

The U.S. is becoming more and more like the former Soviet Union / 1930s Germany - to be clear, we're not at that extreme yet, but the U.S. is continues to rapidly move in that direction ...

Many people blame Clinton, Bush, etc ... but the loss of freedom has been going on for much longer by both major political parties ... over many decades.

Ron

 

[purrpullkush]

that is fucked