DRAGON FLOWER - ANYONE TRIED IT?

[dmt]

No it's not

It's 0 / 0.1 / 0.3

Pgr with 99 % water mate

If it was 0.2.4 it may have been more believable as a regular flower stimulator

Tried it on a few plants last round and it works exactly the same as
super bud . And couple that with the price and manufacturers dodgy history of lying about what is in there products I would be careful about vouching that this isn't a pgr

wow, 0-2-4 is the same RATIO as 0-1.5-3 lol. that is canna specific, even massive from green planet wholesale now has this ratio, and a couple other up and comers. the word ratio means relative, so it could be 0-6-12 or 0-9-18 or 0-4-8. its canna specific. plants use alot of metals in growth, on a micro level. do you think that outdoor soil doesnt have heavy metals in it, or that organic nutes arent radioactive to a degree, or have heavy metals in them? lol, do the math haha d

 

[springer20]

Oh dear

Nutrient profiles and content arnt your forte are they ????

It really doesn't work like that when your dealing with such minuscule numbers

Flower Dragon's NPK ratio is 0- 0.0645- 0.249 or, 645ppm of P and 2,490ppm of K. This would deliver approx 7.47ppm of K and 1.9ppm of P when diluted at 3ml/L. When you consider that tap water typically contains approx 1.6 - 2.0 ppm of P and 7- 40ppm of K.... Hmmm !!!!!

So tap waters stronger !!!

Canna specific ???? Not so sure dude

 

[dmt]

have you been banned before? whats yer old handle? lol

0-2-4 is 0-1.5-3 is 0-5-10 is 0-1-2 is 0-4-8 etc, lol, case closed, it is that simple,

keep blasting yer plants with high p, black ash and harsh smoke, organic or not lol d

 

[springer20]

Lol

No never had a reason to be banned before !!! Since stating facts isn't a bannable offence

Funny tho ))

 

[dmt]

you can get banned for stating alot of facts here, epsecially when they concern other breeders and their genetics.

im tryna figure out why you used a product that you wanna bash, seems hypocritical to me. d

 

[springer20]

I Used it to see if it was a genuine product on a few tables of ak that got binned afterwards

In all honesty I used it out of curiosity more than anything, and it was free lol

Its Not hypocritical at all to try different products and methods , especially in this industry

And I'm not bashing this product , I'm analyzing it's content and trying to figure out why it does what it does when it's got a elemental ratio that's the same as regular water.

If someone got a lab analysis done and it came back pgr free I'd be it's biggest advocate

However it doesn't take a genius to realize it s a pgr and I really do take offence at manufacturers claiming products are mineral based when they potentially contain harmful chemicals

It is a insult to growers IMO

Ps nothin personal dmt.... Got a lot of respect for your grows

 

[springer20]

have you been banned before? whats yer old handle? lol

0-2-4 is 0-1.5-3 is 0-5-10 is 0-1-2 is 0-4-8 etc, lol, case closed, it is that simple,

keep blasting yer plants with high p, black ash and harsh smoke, organic or not lol d

Dude it's not

Do you really think a product that has a npk of 0.2.4 and a product that is 0.20.40 have the same dilution rates?????

 

[dmt]

all good bro, id be focusing as much on the food i eat as the food plants eat. you'd be horrified at the stuff they put in what we eat, and will kill plants most of the time.

im pretty certain that either ro water or distilled water is used as the base of this formula, as is 99% of 99% of all liquid grow products.

ive been readin the diy nute forum for a while now, and we whom dont make our nutes do get bent over, when we see how cheap the ingredients are, take whey or soy protien for example. dirt cheap to buy bulk, give it a shiney container and some filler and charge 500% overhead, d

 

[dmt]

ive taken bio and ag in school. you are confusing ppm with ratio. ppm is like tds or ec. ratio is the amount of elements relative to their respective others, although n-p-k can be broken down into ppm, its still a relative ratio

flower dragon like fulvic/humic acid to not register on a combo meter, that does not mean they dont have n-p-k in them lol, haha, funny guy, d

 

[springer20]

Banging heads together comes to mind with this discussion and I can't be arsed arguing about a product I have no vested interest in mate

Your arguing about a product that is in essence , the same strength as tap water .

I'll try diluting tap water with my tap water from now on ..... Seems a bit cheaper , I wonder if it will halt stretch like flower dragon tho ???????? Hmmmm ... Prob not

Ps no confusion at all , just disagreement

 

[dmt]

heres an example. big bud powder (1-10-30) increases ppm 300 at recommended dose. the liquid is diluted 10 times so its ratio is (0-1-3) lol, becuase its watered down lol. so you add it at x10 and guess what, increase of ppm 300 lol. pretty simple. ratios are not ppm's, but they can be measured that way, d

 

[dmt]

i think you should google "what is n-p-k". its a ratio, ppms are relative with ratios, d

 

[springer20]

Dude

Flower dragon contains 9 ppm when diluted as recommended

Comparing it to nutrients is a joke haha

Do you honestly think it's not a pgr ????? Yes or no ?? Interested in your reply

 

[springer20]

Lol

That's what this discussion is really about isn't it ?????

And based on what you say regarding ppm I can therefore pour flowerdragon directly onto plants then ??? Cant I ???

 

[dmt]

What the Heck is N-P-K and How do I Get Enough?
Sep 22, 1998 - © Diana Morgan

Ah, fall. Turning leaves, turning temperatures, turning garden soil. This time of year the gardener's mind turns to plowing everything under after the harvest. It is the perfect time of year to add amendments to your soil. Before you do this, however, you should have the soil tested so that you are enriching your soil properly. Any county cooperative extension service can tell you where to get a soil test performed and most offer the service themselves at nominal fees.
So, let's say you did the wise thing months ago and sent off a soil sample for testing. Your soil results indicate you need to add 30 lbs of phosphorus (P).

The numbers on a fertilizer bag are the percentages of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K) in the bag. The bigger the number, the higher the percentage of that nutrient. A 100-lb bag of 10-10-10 contains 10lbs each of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. The other 70 lbs is filler used to stabilize the nutrients and make application easier.

Going back to your soil test, you will need 300 lbs of 10-10-10 to get 30 lbs of actual P. You will also get 30 lbs each of N & K you don't need and 210 lbs of filler. OHHHH, my aching back. Why not buy a fertilizer high in the requisite nutrient?

To calculate the amount of fertilizer needed, divide 100 by the percentage of nutrient on the bag, and then multiply the result by the amount of nutrient you want. For example, how much superphosphate (0-20-0) do you need to get 30 lbs of phosphorus? Divide 100 by 20, getting 5. Then multiply 5 times 30 lbs, for a total of 150 lbs of superphosphate, a much more manageable poundage to lug around and apply.

A bag of 0-20-0 may cost twice as much as 10-10-10 but you need only half as much to get the required 30 lbs of phosphate. You won't be adding unnecessary nutrients and filler to the soil, and you will be maintaining your garden's health.

Although the amounts of nutrients in organic fertilizers are less uniform, the calculations are done the same way. For example chicken manure has a 3-4-2 rating for N-P-K, while cow manure is 2-0-3, according to the Master Gardener's Handbook put out by the University of New Hampshire Cooperative Extension. But the amounts can vary by as much as 2.5%, depending on the source. Labels on all packaged fertilizers should include a nutrient analysis.


heres a quote from the web, % and ratios are relative, d

ps, i know the guy that makes it, he gave me his word it wasnt harmful.

 

[dmt]

Dude

Flower dragon contains 9 ppm when diluted as recommended

Comparing it to nutrients is a joke haha

Do you honestly think it's not a pgr ????? Yes or no ?? Interested in your reply

that will not budge a truncheon tds wand, d

 

[dmt]

you are confused about measuring ppm and n-p-k ratios, this is not what the discussion was about. read the op, d

 

[springer20]

What the Heck is N-P-K and How do I Get Enough?
Sep 22, 1998 - © Diana Morgan


The numbers on a fertilizer bag are the percentages of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K) in the bag. The bigger the number, the higher the percentage of that nutrient. A 100-lb bag of 10-10-10 contains 10lbs each of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. The other 70 lbs is filler used to stabilize

heres a quote from the web, % and ratios are relative, d

ps, i know the guy that makes it, he gave me his word it wasnt harmful.

Sorry have you read what you just quoted

The numbers are percentages so 0.1.1 is not the same as 0.10.10 when diluting nutes

Could have saved a few pages of debate really

According to your quote above quote , 0.10.10 has 10 lbs of fert per 100

Therefore 0.1.1 would contain 1 lb - not the same at all ..... as you seem to think

Therefore the dilution rates would be 10 times more

I.e flower dragon contains sod all !! As I've been trying to explain for 2 pages now

 

[tester]

NPK 10-20-30 (notice the dashes ) are percentages and express nutrient content
NPK 1:2:3 (notice the colons )are ratios.

“Flower Dragon mineral base flowering supplement.”

Not really. Its minerals are listed as 0- 0.15- 0.30.. Based on its NPK listing it’s little more than water, at least at first glance.

It is important to note that under US standards, P is listed as P2O5 and K is listed as K20. Given this, Flower Dragon's elemental NPK ratio is 0- 0.0645- 0.249 or, 645ppm of P and 2,490ppm of K. This would deliver approx 7.47ppm of K and 1.9ppm of P when diluted at 3ml/L in solution. When you consider that tap water typically contains approx 1.6 - 2.0 ppm of P and 7- 40ppm of K, tap water contains more NPK than this $120.00 product.

http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html

The amount of nutrients supplied by Flower Dragon is so minute it would not work as a nutrient supplement.
Such a small amount of nutes can't do any help for a plant.

If Flower Dragon does help in any way, there must be something else in it that's not a nutrient.

 

[springer20]

Lol

Please tell me this debate has nt been about dots or dashes haha