Dont order from these companies !!

[ogatec]

you would think grow shops would stop advertizing in hightimes after all these years of DEA busts.. i guess after a couple of years they think it wont happen to them..


As a precaution i think its smart to know if your company advertizes in HT b4 ordering your new 1000 watt!

 

[motofox16]

Thing is...you're slamming alot of companies without any proof...there are some companies on their that are dodgy, but their are some that I know are ok. Without any actual proof, other than your gut feeling all you are doing is creating fear and possibly condeming a company that is legit. That ain't right.

I totally agree here not to slam companies because of this... but it only takes one cop to look these company's up and go to UPS to get tracking addresses from all of the orders taking place from those addresses. Just a play it safe type warning, like he said just don't go buying a few thousand in grow equipment and have it all shipped to your house.

 

[the_man]

guys and gals

the real problem here is UPS and Fedex

all these hydro shops want to make money

plain and simple don't buy online it is just plain risky

find a shop close bye or go on a road trip with a rental

call ahead and see what they have in stock

if it is not in stock ask them to get in and you will be bye to pick it up

most shops will custom order stuff in

pick up and pay cash should be a number 1 rule to follow

 

[the_man]

also keep in mind almost all the shops drop ship from the same place sunlight supply

HTG and Hid Hut import there own goods from overseas

 

[Persistance]

Attitude is known as a good retailer for beans. You really think they are involved with any law enforcement to setup people?

 

[stanky bud]

Attitude is known as a good retailer for beans. You really think they are involved with any law enforcement to setup people?

Maybe not Attitude, but they ship usps so maybe its possible that usps is giving them your info.

 

[Paco]

I used to work for a subsidiary of wholesale Hydroponics. I know the owners.
If this was the case with their mailorder business they have lawyers to fight these things. They are aware of this thread, and think it is funny.
so my two cents, wholesale hydroponics is safe.

 

[nut]

iv never read so much bull shit LOL do you think these companies would turn their customers over to the police? why would they do that for? they want you to buy again from them now you aint going to do that if your busted are you? and as for postal sevices giving your details to the police sounds a bit far fetched come off it they move millions of letters parcels per day all over the world. they dont have time or resources to tell the police Mr XXXXX who lives at # XX in such and such of street had a parcle from a hydro shop LOLOL. iv been using ups for years and get my grow shit seeds ect over the net and so have millions of other growers have we all been busted? i say its safer to have stuff posted to you than go to the grow shop and pick stuff up where you can be watched. I now do all my hydro shoping online much safer, as i have said grow shops want your money time and time again they aint going to tell the police that you are growing they would not be in business long if they did!

@ original poster you make 7 posts and one of them maybe them all are in this thread? sounds to me you have your own business and trying to make others parinoid not to by from a big list of companies that are in competition with you?

what should be said now is people who have used online grow shops have you been busted after using them?

I have used them and would only ever use them its safer to have shit dropped off to your door or a safe house than be seen going in to a grow shop! dont let this bull shit post put you off using online shops ask your self this? if you own a online grow shop would you give anyone your customers details that could/would stop them giving you more money next time they want somthing from you?

 

[wastekan]

Do some research on the "High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program". They are turning over "shipper" information to members of this program; the information is being obtained from the Shippers NOT the vendors. With the computerized records such a list would be easily obtained.
Just getting on the list is NOT enough to get a warrant unlike "Operation Green Merchant", further investigation was done to get the warrant on the sports writer.
It should be noted that the arrest is from an area that lobbied to become a member of the "High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program" Not at all the programs original intent.. just more pigs at the public trough pushing their way in. The area the arrest was made is known for their "Law and Order" " house of Representative members; with a relatively low density population area, so their use of the data will be quite different than say the Detroit region HIDTAP. They need to justify getting in the HIDTAP.
Ones feeling of "Safety" is actually nothing more than a state of mind; different transaction need different measures for each person.
Do whatever allows you to feel safe.

 

[CaptainTrips]

Maybe not Attitude, but they ship usps so maybe its possible that usps is giving them your info.

There is a much higher standard for opening or getting USPS records, not to mention the USPS probably keeps poorer records than a private shipping company. Now maybe for a seed company, there return address could be "flagged", and a warrant obtained on that information, but even that seems unlikely.

 

[weed science]

nut, it is obvious that you are a numbnut ! Just by reading your first sentence I can tell that you have not even read this thread, and you don't even understand the nature of the situation. Its funny how you are so defensive, then accuse me of being a hydro shop owner; You are the one who is probably affiliated with one the companies listed. If ignorance is bliss, you must be in heaven.

Nut: please order all of your equipment from those places I listed, they are the best shops online..

 

[_Dude]

The undocumented news ie word on the street is often far more telling than what is published as 'news'.

Amen to that. Sounds like I need to add another forum to my reading list if I want to know what's going on. I'm glad I read your post.

 

[_Dude]

I used to work for a subsidiary of wholesale Hydroponics. I know the owners.
If this was the case with their mailorder business they have lawyers to fight these things. They are aware of this thread, and think it is funny.
so my two cents, wholesale hydroponics is safe.

That's ambiguous. What part do they think is funny? What part would their lawyers fight? What part of ordering from them is safe?

 

[_Dude]

Do some research on the "High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program". They are turning over "shipper" information to members of this program; the information is being obtained from the Shippers NOT the vendors. With the computerized records such a list would be easily obtained.
Just getting on the list is NOT enough to get a warrant unlike "Operation Green Merchant", further investigation was done to get the warrant on the sports writer.
It should be noted that the arrest is from an area that lobbied to become a member of the "High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program"

Anyone got any maps or lists of areas for this program?

 

[_Dude]

There is a much higher standard for opening or getting USPS records, not to mention the USPS probably keeps poorer records than a private shipping company.

Anyone got hard data on these standards?

At this point, my GUESS is that they can only target people who buy from merchants who advertise their wares in pot-related venues. This is enough to start an investigation, probably just asking shippers for customer lists. Then they look at the homes of the people on the list, subpoena light bills, etc.

No I don't feel very confident about this guess.

 

[MotorCityMadman]

I really hate to see companies get jammed by rumor so here is what we will do. Someone needs to post some type of proof regarding the thread topic. It isn't fair to people to be jammed without proof. I'm going to reopen this thread but I'm asking that the thread starter post some form of proof with his accusations. I don't like High Times and have never bought their mag but at the same time it's not right to make accusations like this and starting a paranoia frenzy without backing it up.

Here is the only info I have and it says nothing of fed ex or UPS. It also says they put his house under surveillance and subpoenaed his electric bill before they got a warrant. If we're going to do just what the cops want, then remember they said other publications as well. I personally don't believe anything they say regarding invoices because they would have no legal way to get them.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/03/invoice_from_firm_that_adverti.html

To the person that sent me the PM's accusing me of being everything from the owners of some of these businesses to a cop, you're a real asshole and I wouldn't suggest doing it when you get back.....

The article said he 71 plants and 32 oz packaged maybe the shipping records might have been a cover story to protect a snitch. Thats way to much for a personal grow. A 4 yr felony is a light charge for 71 plants 35oz thats a medium commercial grow for Michigan. I order all my shit from online. I have not heard of any of these task force but that don't mean they don't exist.

 

[wastekan]

"Anyone got any maps or lists of areas for this program? "

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/hidta/index.html

 

[del...]

but at least one of those companies doesn't use ups or fedex...only standard mail. doc greenthumb has been around longer than many of you have been beating off and has a strong rep for being honest and having consistent high quality produce. i see him listed here only because he advertises in high times...is that it???

 

[Paco]

That's ambiguous. What part do they think is funny? What part would their lawyers fight? What part of ordering from them is safe?

they think that someone with zero experience with their company would say that they are not trust worthy or safe, is funny.
their lawyers have the ability to fight for the right for them to be a business.
so, if leo was tracking their packages they are allowed to take that to court and fight it.
that part where you order from them if the part that is safe.

 

[_Dude]

they think that someone with zero experience with their company would say that they are not trust worthy or safe, is funny.

I don't see what that has to do with it. I don't need experience jumping out of airplanes without a parachute to know better than to try it.

their lawyers have the ability to fight for the right for them to be a business.
so, if leo was tracking their packages they are allowed to take that to court and fight it.

Sounds like something you just pulled out of your ass. If it isn't, maybe this info has made its way into the company's privacy policy? If not, why not?

that part where you order from them if the part that is safe.

If these companies can reasonably assure their customers that ordering from them won't get them investigated, then I'd think they'd mention that fact to their customers.

It's one thing to state that a company won't just roll over for LEO. I take it with a grain of salt, but it's plausible. But it's something else to state that a company can prevent a third party from rolling over for LEO. That sounds like a big pile of shit to me.