I was looking to get one but the one I wanted was like 1k. Shit these things are spendy
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do you own a stun gun?
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Ya I think the people on here are the people who don't want to be caught with a gun and a grow which equals dead serious charges and certain jail time.
I know plenty of people who have ordered it online, either directly from taser.com or a different website. If you wanted to be anonymous about it you can go to a trade show and get them there.
The one I was referring to is the M26 which is $500. The one you are talking about is the X26, which is $1,000 and is the model carried by Police. For the use described in this thread, the M26 is perfectly fine. There are very small differences between the two models.
Notes:
-both of these models require a felony background check so if your a felon you won't be able to buy one
-it is technically illegal in Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia so if you live in these states and want one, you will have to go to another state to get one and can get in trouble if you are caught with one in your home state.
Ya I just like the x26 better looks better and is smaller
haha agreed.
bugler
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Nonsense. MAY stop a charging bear at 30 ft.
Wait, that's nonsense too.
MAY START TO stop a charging bear at 30 ft.
BUT, a full size CHARGING grizzly is likely to continue traveling far too many of those 30 feet even if shot dead on impact in the head with a high powered cartridge. I read of a guy in Anchorage who shot a charging grizzly in the head at about 20', I believe it was a 44 magnum, bear died on impact at 20'. Dude still had to dive out of the way while the bear continued to slide past him, across the road, and even took out a street sign. You think the bear spray would have worked any faster than instantly dead bear?
Go to Alaska. Find one of the not too few people who have survived or witnessed a bear charge. Do they carry bear spray in the bush? Maybe, but the vast majority of them carry magnum handguns, often as a backup to a handy rifle.
Guns work for defense. Long guns work better than handguns. Lots of us may not want guns in a grow situation. Grow gets busted, guns are a tacked on felony. Or just as dangerous and rarely mentioned, say you do shoot an intruder, your grow will be busted, and your justified shooting will be under much tighter scrutiny while you're in custody for the grow.
Anything less lethal than a firearm in trained hands is also less dependable. Bear spray indoors? Will be messy, and will affect you too, guaranteed. Do you want to be able to see and breath to deal with the guy coming in the backdoor after you spray the guy at the front door? I sure would. But it's a viable option in some circumstances.
Tazers have penetration and most have follow up limitations. Stun guns have range dangers. Mid range impact/edge weapons (bats/staffs/swords) don't work well in hallways, shorter range ones risk contact. All may be appropriate in some scenarios though.
If I were thinking defense without a firearm, I'd cover all the bases, and consider where to keep them and which I'd grab in what kind of scenario. But without a firearm, I'd probably consider range as the priority as the closer they are the more likely you are to get hurt and subdued. taser > bat, sword or tonfa > stun gun > fixed blade, knuckles etc.
Basically just don't count on anything being as reliable as a firearm. Prepare for security first (harden points of entry, dogs, etc) Train for general response to a threat. And be well trained in whatever less lethal defense you intend to employ.
I have always kept something I read from Clint Smith in mind, your first defensive "weapon" should be a large fire extinguisher. you're much more likely to need to put out a fire than a bad guy, and a blast to the face followed by a bash on the head could be effective for the bad guy too. I'd get fire extinguisher first, then consider the stun gun as a part of an integrated defensive strategy. Without a strategy and holistic defensive training, stun gun is close to worthless though.
DirtySouthTo707
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Stun guns and mace are for people who dont want to get raped.
HEY NOT VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON -
when someone in the blackbelt hall of fame tells me bear spray will stop a charging bear i believe him. i can understand if you dont believe me.
maybe you need a wildlife expert like jack hanna to tell you about it... WATCH THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhn2W1LJ5Ok
heres some more information you should check out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9XP1iydQNY
BEAR SPRAY WILL STOP A CHARGING BEAR WHO WANTS TO EAT YOU IMAGINE WHAT IT WILL DO TO A HUMAN BEING...
have a nice day
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BeardedClam
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It also has "federal prison" mode
statusquo
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Assuming that people would rob you because you ran your mouth somewhere, as long as you also talk about how you own a gun, I would think people would be less likely to rob you. You could get an air-soft gun and get rid of the orange tip (a crime, but I would think/hope it's less serious than owning a gun lol) or buy a toy that looks like a gun and let people see it. That way people would think you have a real one but when it came to getting busted and charged, you don't actually. You could also have brutal weapons (metal bat, crow bar, hammer etc) placed throughout the house that are easy to grab/use so people might get the impression you mean business/are violent. All these methods are deterrents but the best deterrent is to not tell people so you don't have to worry about getting robbed! 
What about airsoft rifles? Or gas powered air soft pistols? BB guns? Anyone know the legality of these and whether or not they would bring charges?
What about airsoft rifles? Or gas powered air soft pistols? BB guns? Anyone know the legality of these and whether or not they would bring charges?
i think the bear spray is genius ..... never thought of it.... but i have thought of a stun gun...
my main thought about stun guns were: ok, so you stun the dude... NOW WHAT? you gonna duct tape his ass? throw him in the cellar? bust his jaw? im thinking NAH....
now with the bear spray, you can shoot a sucker and ruin his night... and after he is sprayed he will probably be able to feel his way out of your house... yeah sure there is always the risk that it can come back and bite you in your ass (or in this case, eyes)... but CHANCES ARE that its not, if you are using your head, and not being a dumb ass stereotypical uncoordinated/slow reflexes stoner...
after hittin someone with that shit, you have bigger problems and have to move ship... because i know damn well if i was ever sprayed then I would be retaliating (i would NEVER be shady enough to deserve a spraying... im good people)......
but hey, you guys do as you wish! its a free country!
... im just going to stick to my weight lifting, cardio, syringe and m99...
my main thought about stun guns were: ok, so you stun the dude... NOW WHAT? you gonna duct tape his ass? throw him in the cellar? bust his jaw? im thinking NAH....
now with the bear spray, you can shoot a sucker and ruin his night... and after he is sprayed he will probably be able to feel his way out of your house... yeah sure there is always the risk that it can come back and bite you in your ass (or in this case, eyes)... but CHANCES ARE that its not, if you are using your head, and not being a dumb ass stereotypical uncoordinated/slow reflexes stoner...
after hittin someone with that shit, you have bigger problems and have to move ship... because i know damn well if i was ever sprayed then I would be retaliating (i would NEVER be shady enough to deserve a spraying... im good people)......
but hey, you guys do as you wish! its a free country!
... im just going to stick to my weight lifting, cardio, syringe and m99...
you can go thru an airport with the bear spray as far as i know... they make a harness so you can keep it right around your neck.
if you empty the can in someone's face they wont ever see again and will probably pass out from the pain pretty quickly. then the balls in your court...
the thing i like best about the bear spray is it isnt a gun. no noise. no extra time tacked on due to 'bogus' charges. and after you empty the can on a fucker and beat him in the head with it, you can shove it up their ass, too. its like a swissarmy knife of sorts...
if you empty the can in someone's face they wont ever see again and will probably pass out from the pain pretty quickly. then the balls in your court...
the thing i like best about the bear spray is it isnt a gun. no noise. no extra time tacked on due to 'bogus' charges. and after you empty the can on a fucker and beat him in the head with it, you can shove it up their ass, too. its like a swissarmy knife of sorts...
Feb2006er
Active member
Or to disperse 6 bitchass junkies/narcs who jump 1 person from behind because they are too big of pussies to fight 1-on-1 like real men; they knew the shit would get beaten out of them. One of them would have been choked to death by a rnc, that a small eye gouge and some head smashing against the concrete floor took to get locked in good and tight around the neck, if the junkies wouldn't have started jumping in like the bitches they are and kicking
Feb2006er
Active member
Yes the bear that is getting overwhelmed by the spray will change course.
bugler
Member
Just noticed this directed at me
I think any intelligent person must consider the logistics of deploying bear spray in the context implied in this thread. For most of us here that would be self-defense indoors.
Training and planning and foresight are key to successful self defense. I've actually used bear spray (just as a test, not on a four or two legged predator) and I highly recommend anyone considering it to do the same. It makes a huge cloud of dayglo orange incredibly irritating fumes. It will fill a room with near incapacitating spray. How one prevents this from incapacitating themselves and still be able to deal with immediate threats like securing the premises is up to them, but certainly requires some level of intelligence and planning. I would suggest a bare minimum of good swimming goggles kept with the spray a necessity, if not a full gas mask. Self treatment and treatment of others in the house should also be addressed, and this isn't water. Even soap and water is not effective very quickly. When I've had to clean up OC (non-bear) vegetable oil to bind the cap, followed by soap and water is much more effective. Treat your nose and face first so you can breathe, then deal with your eyes.
Also consider that without a gas mask or respirator, bear spray very well could form a barrier for you to get through. A hallway full of spray might be great for keeping BG's from coming down it, but what if you need to get to family, doors, phones, water or oil/soap?
When I'm in the Alaskan bush, I do carry bear spray. If i'm hunting and carrying a rifle the bear spray is usually in my pack, but if I have no rifle the spray is as accessible as my .454 revolver. I'm not questioning that bear spray has a valid place in bear defense, but nearly all bear experts, especially working guides in bear populations suggest at least 2 active deterrents because not all situations are the same and all deterrents have + and -'s.
In a lot of years actively preparing for defense though mostly just internet ninjas talk about bear spray for self defense. Doesn't mean it isn't a viable option, but it does mean that you will be responsible for deciding a reasonable way to implement it. IMHO this requires much more thought than simply having a can sitting on the shelf. But then again, I'm the kinda guy that tries to break into my own house to see how a BG is likely to do it, I practice with any weapon I intend to use, and I plan for how to do so in the most intelligent and safe way possible while protecting life, limb and property, in that order. Maybe I over think things. Maybe I naively think that discussion on the bb can lead to improved chances of success for all of us as a community in the real world.
IMHO someone who isn't willing to plan and train with a defensive weapon is much better off with strong doors, good locks and 2 phones.
Regardless, whatever tools of self defense are chosen, one must be prepared for their specific advantages and disadvantages. For me, I don't rate stun guns or bear spray very highly for SD when compared to other options available to me.
Greyskull, I won't question your intelligence as I've actually appreciate quite a few of your posts in the past and I don't think further insults will be beneficial to the community. I'll just say that I didn't appreciate this insult and leave it at that.
I think any intelligent person must consider the logistics of deploying bear spray in the context implied in this thread. For most of us here that would be self-defense indoors.
Training and planning and foresight are key to successful self defense. I've actually used bear spray (just as a test, not on a four or two legged predator) and I highly recommend anyone considering it to do the same. It makes a huge cloud of dayglo orange incredibly irritating fumes. It will fill a room with near incapacitating spray. How one prevents this from incapacitating themselves and still be able to deal with immediate threats like securing the premises is up to them, but certainly requires some level of intelligence and planning. I would suggest a bare minimum of good swimming goggles kept with the spray a necessity, if not a full gas mask. Self treatment and treatment of others in the house should also be addressed, and this isn't water. Even soap and water is not effective very quickly. When I've had to clean up OC (non-bear) vegetable oil to bind the cap, followed by soap and water is much more effective. Treat your nose and face first so you can breathe, then deal with your eyes.
Also consider that without a gas mask or respirator, bear spray very well could form a barrier for you to get through. A hallway full of spray might be great for keeping BG's from coming down it, but what if you need to get to family, doors, phones, water or oil/soap?
When I'm in the Alaskan bush, I do carry bear spray. If i'm hunting and carrying a rifle the bear spray is usually in my pack, but if I have no rifle the spray is as accessible as my .454 revolver. I'm not questioning that bear spray has a valid place in bear defense, but nearly all bear experts, especially working guides in bear populations suggest at least 2 active deterrents because not all situations are the same and all deterrents have + and -'s.
In a lot of years actively preparing for defense though mostly just internet ninjas talk about bear spray for self defense. Doesn't mean it isn't a viable option, but it does mean that you will be responsible for deciding a reasonable way to implement it. IMHO this requires much more thought than simply having a can sitting on the shelf. But then again, I'm the kinda guy that tries to break into my own house to see how a BG is likely to do it, I practice with any weapon I intend to use, and I plan for how to do so in the most intelligent and safe way possible while protecting life, limb and property, in that order. Maybe I over think things. Maybe I naively think that discussion on the bb can lead to improved chances of success for all of us as a community in the real world.
IMHO someone who isn't willing to plan and train with a defensive weapon is much better off with strong doors, good locks and 2 phones.
LOL, true a dead bear can't change course! OK, so sometimes I miss the obvious answers to my own rhetorical questions.
Regardless, whatever tools of self defense are chosen, one must be prepared for their specific advantages and disadvantages. For me, I don't rate stun guns or bear spray very highly for SD when compared to other options available to me.
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