Do good parents matter or is breeding chance?

[Guest]

Do good parents have higher odds of producing good offspring? Are there dominant and recessive traits in cannabis. I have noticed a small amount of indica with sativa say 80% sativa will have more indica traits.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Yes Good parents are important. Yes there are dominant and recessive traits.

 

[Guest]

as Grateful says, TESTED parents are very improtant in breedin. ive used a not so potent female(taste and aroma were top notch) and a untested male in a cross, the resultin sibs were BLAH. none of the taste and aroma of the female came through in a 40 bean run of the sibs.

alot of the self proclaimed breeders that are out there makin crosses, dont test there males, and most times are usin single parents. how many times have you seen a male grown out till the end?

combinein ability of the parents, which you wouldnt have a clue as to whats happenin till the sibs are grown out and you see how the parents combined, is gonna determine the shape of the resultin population.

you could have two good parents, but do to there genotype, may not combine well at all, and the resultin population isnt nothin like you expected.

 

[Ganico]

But how do you "test" males? I mean, I know you look for flowering structure, nodal spacing, and certain "positive" scents, but other than that, what is there?

 

[Guest]

But how do you "test" males? I mean, I know you look for flowering structure, nodal spacing, and certain "positive" scents, but other than that, what is there?

what you describe is preliminary selection. once you have decided on a number of males thru that prelim selection. you would incross to select females and outcross to another line.

so if ya had three males, you would have 3 cuts of a select female, same female. pollinate each female with a single male. grow out the resultin beans, and examine the offspring for the traits your lookin for.

so you would have three test batches, one from each male. which ever males throw what your lookin for, those are the boys to keep.

in a outcross to another line, you would do the same thing, but you would be observin what dominate traits your male tosses. with both the incross and outcross, you would be able to observe what traits that male is gonna toss most times.

yep, takes quite a bit of growin and time to find a top notch stud. in 4 years of growin with internet support, i have one female, not a single male that i consider breedin stock. and my female isnt tossin her best qualities each and everytime, dependin on what line i hit her with.

if your serious about workin a line for any length of time, be prepared for more disappointment then happy times, lol

 

[Nspecta]

Good Parents = Good Progeny!!!

Good Parents = Good Progeny!!!

as Grateful says, TESTED parents are very important in breedin'.

How many times have you seen a male grown out till the end?

Like MrPurple says...the best way ta test males is ta grow out tha progeny.

It doesn't hurt ta grow out yer male/s to fruition either...sometimes they'll show ya late sumthin' ya weren't expectin'.

IGT

Hindu Death boy @ 65 dayz​

 

[Guest]

Like MrPurple says...the best way ta test males is ta grow out tha progeny.

It doesn't hurt ta grow out yer male/s to fruition either...sometimes they'll show ya late sumthin' ya weren't expectin'.

IGT

my WTR brother

pazactly, grow them males out till the end. thats a beauty Nspecta:tup:

you have no idea how well the male will yield, as just like a female, they put on the wieght in the last weeks of flower, other then lookin at sibs.

you dont pic your best female after 4 weeks of flower, why would you select a male before its finished as well.

lots of seedmakers are guilty of usin untested males, my self included, but ive looked at enough of my crosses and learned that male testin is a must. yeah you can get lucky, but really you have no idea whats goin on when just knockin plants around.

when ya hear a seedmaker say hes grown enough males in his time that he can just look at um and pick the best, is pure bullshit, ya cant even look at a female and tell if shes any good with out smokin her.

hell ive had loads of extemely frosty, heavy budded giirls, and there not that great to smoke. so if anyone tells ya they just need to look at a plant to tell if there any good is flat out pullin your leg.

 

[Guest]

i agree 100%. usually when i grow outdoors i have breeding plans but if i cant find the perfect male, i just dont do it. the first time i tried breeding i didnt really think it mattered and the results were absolute shit! if you are going to breed you absolutely NEED two good parents, sot just an awesome female and any old male.

 

[Guest]

by the way, thats a beautiful male nspecta!

 

[Guest]

Are those purple female calyxes swelling up on that male? Because If it was then your Male pollen would be worth its weight in gold. I read that when a male goes hermie- then the pollen from him will result in mostly feminised seeds. Id luv to get some pollen that lacks the male chromosomes- but id bet it would be pricey.

 

[Guest]

glassmaster- that is a common feminization technique. the only thing with that is a percentage of the offspring is going to be hermie. using a hermie female as the "father" just carries on traits that i generally try to avoid and creates strains that will be inferior for further breeding. but, if you are looking for mostly female seeds for a run or two, i can see its place i guess.

 

[Guest]

inferior huh..? Some people buy right into the hype that breeding your own is gonna result in junk genetics..It is this type of proaganda that keeps the avaerage joe down...Honestly--- My first cross was a rez male and bog female - and the results were absolutely amazing...Other growers that tried the bud were blown away--wondering what was in the pedigree and if a clone is available....So have a lil confidence in your skillz- it never hurts to try. BTW--i was far impressed with the progeny than the original P1 mama used. Increased Vigor-resin production, and taste...Although it didn't yield like the original mama...

 

[pipeline]

Regular breeding with separate staminate and pistilate parents will result in progeny with less tendency to produce staminate and pistilate flowers on the same plant.

If you use pollen from a plant with both staminate and pistilate flowers, it increases the chance for progeny with staminate and pistilate flowers.

 

[Limeygreen]

You also can test males by making oil with them as they do contain some THC (not as much as females I know) and see what the high is like etc.

 

[Guest]

glassmaster- i think lots of seeds made by private breeders are better than those available to buy. i know i can make quality beans, i have confidence in my skills.

i just stay away from making "female" beans in case i want to develop a line further in the future. i am very selective about what traits carry on. if i make a cross, i want the exact characteristics that i like.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

isn't breeding with just one male kind of pointless though?

 

[Guest]

if you are breeding for variety to do a large-scale selection from, i would say yes. if you want to cross a female to a male that has certain traits you think would benefit and improve the female, i would say no. it all depends what you want. in making f2's, i would use several.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

if you are breeding for variety to do a large-scale selection from, i would say yes. if you want to cross a female to a male that has certain traits you think would benefit and improve the female, i would say no. it all depends what you want. in making f2's, i would use several.

Well said... Imho, the goals of a breeding project dictate the methods to be used. Logicly, If trying to isolate traits is involved, or if trying to improve traits is involved, then the male selections must be very limited. At least initially, as the project progresses larger numbers of very similar males would become more desirable... If trying to preserve a line, or make f2's with the greatest range of genotypes to hunt through, then large numbers of males would be desirable from the begining of the project...

 

[Ganico]

Damn I love this forum

 

[Guest]

im with you there ganico. the one forum to rule them all!