Dj short blueberry and blueberry crosses

[elanius]

20 BB seeds bought from Dj Short in Pasadena 2012 and and 20 Blueberries bought from HDepot in 2015, i had 24 females and still 4 of the keepers are with me. Imagine 24 Blueberry females together - there were 0 seeds found in the buds. Even though few females expressed bananas here and there in the last days of flowering, there is no pollen in there or they will not release it at all. And even if they did, the seed wont be formed because they do it so late. There is no "hermie issue" with Dj Short genetics at all, people just see banana in late flower and panic apparently

 

[iloveweed123]

Wow .... That's beautiful man

 

[belgowiet]

beautiful !!
did you see any variation between the pack from 2012 and 2015?

 

[Bud_Man10]

Awesome brutha, still to this day one of my all time favs to smoke.
Great job!

Peace
BM

 

[GoatCheese]

There is no "hermie issue" with Dj Short genetics at all, people just see banana in late flower and panic apparently

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Very Nice. Must be lovely smoke.


Late nanners..
Yea, i don't think "late nanners" should become the new standard for "clean".

I just flowered a sativa hybrid male, and he started growing pistils at late stage of bloom = Not clean, i'd say mild-intersex trait.
Let's call an orange an orange, ok. Not "an orange with late bananas" That's a half of a fruit salad.


Late nanners aren't a problem if it's not too bad, few of my best keepers do that, and if you harvest all plants around the same time.
But late nanners become a problem when you run a perpetual-flo room/tent, like i do.

 

[belgowiet]

Late nanners..
Yea, i don't think "late nanners" should become the new standard for "clean".

I totally agree

 

[elanius]

Very Nice. Must be lovely smoke.
Late nanners..
Yea, i don't think "late nanners" should become the new standard for "clean".
I just flowered a sativa hybrid male, and he started growing pistils at late stage of bloom = Not clean, i'd say mild-intersex trait.

You would not be happy with my opinion about "male to female" males

Let's call an orange an orange, ok. Not "an orange with late bananas" That's a half of a fruit salad.

Late nanners aren't a problem if it's not too bad, few of my best keepers do that, and if you harvest all plants around the same time.
But late nanners become a problem when you run a perpetual-flo room/tent, like i do.

Again, it depends, what kind of nanners? Is there any pollen? If so, do they release it? In my experience with djs gear, there is a nanner sometime, but it does not contain or release pollen. Thats the message really, what you have here is my experience with 24 females. The last round i flowered SDiesel that went 20-25 days longer then the blueberries and again, no seeds in the buds. The cut of OTM that is here for almost 10 years now shows bananas in late flower also but they dont release any pollen. Tested in many gardens. For me its "clean" cut. (interesting term btw, sounds like it has(not) STD)

I understand your point and i dont take it from you, im just having different perspective. Im going to do strain preservation and i would not want to have untested new plants showing nanners in the group, just to make sure there are only the desired genes in the equation.

Blueberry is very special genetics, remember 6 generations removed from the P1 landrace sativas. The late time banana is the reproduction system of these sativas, its in their blood. Actually at the time, some of them were full hermies so Dj managed to stabilize it to this degree we are seeing. These plants have the euphoria, good feeling and bliss in them. I cant recommend enough to run big selection, otherwise i can understand how someone can be disappointed with bad luck within 10 seeds.

 

[elanius]

beautiful !!
did you see any variation between the pack from 2012 and 2015?

Thanks all for the kind words.

I have not noticed such difference, i would say normal phenotypic expressions. The plants from Dj were marked DB and HDepot BB. I have ended up with 3 DB keepers and 1 BB. I believe its just coincidence.

This is Blueberry sativa pheno, big stretch, incredible dark fruity smell (berry/licorice/vanilla/honey),very euphoric and long lasting high.

 

[GoatCheese]

You would not be happy with my opinion about "male to female" males



Again, it depends, what kind of nanners? Is there any pollen? If so, do they release it? In my experience with djs gear, there is a nanner sometime, but it does not contain or release pollen. Thats the message really, what you have here is my experience with 24 females. The last round i flowered SDiesel that went 20-25 days longer then the blueberries and again, no seeds in the buds. The cut of OTM that is here for almost 10 years now shows bananas in late flower also but they dont release any pollen. Tested in many gardens. For me its "clean" cut. (interesting term btw, sounds like it has(not) STD)

I understand your point and i dont take it from you, im just having different perspective. Im going to do strain preservation and i would not want to have untested new plants showing nanners in the group, just to make sure there are only the desired genes in the equation.

Blueberry is very special genetics, remember 6 generations removed from the P1 landrace sativas. The late time banana is the reproduction system of these sativas, its in their blood. Actually at the time, some of them were full hermies so Dj managed to stabilize it to this degree we are seeing. These plants have the euphoria, good feeling and bliss in them. I cant recommend enough to run big selection, otherwise i can understand how someone can be disappointed with bad luck within 10 seeds.

Yea, Blueberry sure is special and it is very well known that BB might grow nanners.
I have two UK Cheese x Blueberry (Eskobar)plants going. One is very much Cheese leaning and the other is BB-Thai leaning plant, which has a very, very nice and calm high.
I also have a very much BB-indica leaning girl in veg and stored pollen from a nicely matching male. These two will make nice BB-indica seeds with a touch of Cheese.

I still think we should use the terms as they should be used, so that we don't confuse fellow growers.
I had a BB from Dutch Passion that grew late nanners that seemed to wilt before dropping pollen, but it's not proper to call such plant "clean/no hermie".


Peace.

 

[Morphote]

I think it's important to put things into perspective. I've seen plenty of "clean" plants that are not keepers. And, the more I grow, the more plants I've seen that are definite keepers but not "clean". Everyone wants stable plants and seedless crops, I get it. But phenomenal female plants that throw the occasional male flower late in bloom under very specific conditions/stresses are certainly worth consideration of keeping (at the very least). I think once you have grown one of these phenomenal plants you will change your opinion about what constitutes a quality keeper plant. I want exceptional, and if I find exceptional I will keep it even if it does throw male flowers from time to time. To take it even one step further, I might even force those plants to create pollen then use that pollen to create S1s or fems. No such thing as the perfect plant (or person for that matter), perhaps we need to learn to appreciate an exceptional candidate despite its "imperfections". Or, as Nevil said, you can't throw out the baby with the bath water.

M.

 

[Ph-patrol]

I would love to get my hands on DJ Blue Berry f4 cut he put out a couple years ago.Anyone know if he has made any select drops at all.
That would be a nice score.

 

[Muleskinner]

I have a favorite home-made strain that is basically a DJ Short blueberry cross and some of them will have a few male flowers on the lower, shaded buds, especially if anything goes wrong, they are very sensitive to too much nutes. If you pick off the lower wispy budsites at 2 weeks of flower it completely prevents it.

But I recenlty had 4 different stain females going and I messed up the soil mix, all four had some male flowers on lower budsites, any plant will do it if you stress them. I find the BB cross takes the least nutes of any strain I've grown.

I was thinking of trying Dynasty's "Oregon Huckleberry" which is their version of BB, the photos around the web look amazing.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Hmm, blueberry, 50 seeds ran from 15'. No complete early hermies. Some late flower stamen, but what great elite cut is stamen free when pressed till the end of flower. Sour D does, chem does, og does, etc....

Ive ran 50 original bb, 60 original flo, 10 each of whitaker, azure, cocoa, n vanilluna. Not one did I have to throw away cause of hermy problems. Late stamen production sure, but a seed or 2 never bothered me in a sour d grow, it certainly doesn't bother me in a bb grow.

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[Grojak]

I would love to get my hands on DJ Blue Berry f4 cut he put out a couple years ago.Anyone know if he has made any select drops at all.
That would be a nice score.

I know DJ passed a bunch of these cuts out at a S.F. cup a few years ago. I'm betting you can get close with SoL Blue Sat or Bluebonic, I know BS had a special sativa gifted from DJ.

 

[Frosy]

Wow, dude, you have no clue at all evidently. Why babble your ignorance?

 

[Ph-patrol]

I know DJ passed a bunch of these cuts out at a S.F. cup a few years ago. I'm betting you can get close with SoL Blue Sat or Bluebonic, I know BS had a special sativa gifted from DJ.

Hey Grojak....Long time Brother.
Yeah great suggestions..I remember your extensive work with those lines and others.
When you say BS has a special gift from DJ,could you clarify BS...Bodhi seeds?
I remember Green Beanz Seeds Blueberry Bx.....He needs to get those back on the shelf pronto.I never forgot
Still would be nice to have the f4 cut too.

Thanks for your BB knowledge Brother.
Hit me up soon
ph

 

[LubdaNugs]

Hey Grojak....Long time Brother.
Yeah great suggestions..I remember your extensive work with those lines and others.
When you say BS has a special gift from DJ,could you clarify BS...Bodhi seeds?
I remember Green Beanz Seeds Blueberry Bx.....He needs to get those back on the shelf pronto.I never forgot
Still would be nice to have the f4 cut too.

Thanks for your BB knowledge Brother.
Hit me up soon
ph

He is talking about Breeder Steve of Spice of Life.

 

[Ph-patrol]

He is talking about Breeder Steve of Spice of Life.

Ahhhh I see....I did a test for Bodhi with the Blueberry in the cross.

Makes sense Thanks Brother

 

[LostTribe]

I know DJ passed a bunch of these cuts out at a S.F. cup a few years ago. I'm betting you can get close with SoL Blue Sat or Bluebonic, I know BS had a special sativa gifted from DJ.

Bluesat 2.2?? Got 2 packs of freebies....1 I popped was heavy indica didnt get to bud.

 

[LubdaNugs]

Ahhhh I see....I did a test for Bodhi with the Blueberry in the cross.

Makes sense Thanks Brother

No worries, I'm a huge fan of the Blues. Took a lot of time to delve into the different iterations of Blueberry and what was available. Spice of Life was always at the top of my list of things to try, but it was at the time that they were winding down.