DIY leds Discussion Thread for all your how tos and doubts and anything related

[Ttystikk]

@Rocket Soul @Neferhotep @Ttystikk
@greyfader

There is a 250W halogen IR heat lamp and two bulbs on the way.

Some companies are claiming that the halogen version produces twice the amount of IR as the incandescent.

I found mini 50W IR halogen bulbs as well, which look to be very possibly where I end up. The question is, do they make more IR as well as heat or just more heat and less IR?

I’d imagine I could spread those out between the LED strips or run them down both sides of the COB’s.

I also ordered (x3) Vero 29C Gen 8’s in the non-SE version to stick under a CPU heatsink and blast them @ 1.4A!

Exciting times!

Watch out; the little fuckers get hot so keep your fire safety on point; inside an enclosure with a grille over the front is best.

 

[Ttystikk]

This idea that Humans “evolved” from animals has no scientific foundation.

This statement is false, full stop.

Either you can deal in facts or you can't. If you choose the latter, don't expect people who use science every day to take you seriously.

You don't get to pick and choose among the facts; if you disagree, bring evidence.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' " - Isaac Asimov, who was a writer AND Professor of biochemistry at Boston University.

Don't make this mistake.

 

[Ttystikk]

I can purchase a 1000W HPS, ballast, reflector, glass hood and bulb for $100 brand new. I’m rather sure it was a digital ballast as well.

Crazy!

Cheapest I could find was $129 for 1000W DE HPS with a digital ballast.

I also saw a SE HPS and magnetic ballast kit for $149 lol

Buyer beware!

 

[Ttystikk]

The newer LEC lighting is not the same as CMH

Yes it is; they just play games with nomenclature.

LEC = Light Emitting Ceramic

CMH = Ceramic Metal Halide (my personal favorite, since it's the most descriptive)

CDM = Ceramic Discharge Metal (halide)

It's all the same tech. Not terribly efficient (30% on magnetic, 40% on LFSW ballast) but they're decent lights because they make good spectrum and they last about 2 years as opposed to the old school metal halide's 6 months.

 

[Aristoned]

This statement is false, full stop.

Either you can deal in facts or you can't. If you choose the latter, don't expect people who use science every day to take you seriously.

You don't get to pick and choose among the facts; if you disagree, bring evidence.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' " - Isaac Asimov, who was a writer AND Professor of biochemistry at Boston University.

Don't make this mistake.

Well, Democracy is ignorance. “Mob Rule” is what the “French Revolution” was, and Socrates fell to the same fate. Giving uneducated people a vote in who lives and dies is a clear indication of a dying society.

Observe. I am nothing like anything here, there is nothing else like me. If there was an animal that was my “ancestor” then there would be other creatures similar to me and there are not. Therefore, I would be singular in existence and thus a Creation not Natural Selection or Selective Breeding.

The 250W halogen IR can be dimmed to 175W which is only 25W more than what I am using now. The companies claim the halogen produces more IR/heat per watt than incandescent and I’m going to test that. This form factor might be just the ticket for what I am planning.

If not, there are halogen and incandescent IR mini bulbs that run 50W & 40W, respectively.

 

[Aristoned]

Cheapest I could find was $129 for 1000W DE HPS with a digital ballast.

I also saw a SE HPS and magnetic ballast kit for $149 lol

Buyer beware!

Magnetic ballasts are good for backup, I kept one just in-case. I never needed it, but it was nice to have.

Now, I have more drivers than I have LED’s to connect. I think it is time to begin testing the 3000K 80 CRI EB3 Slims.

 

[Ttystikk]

I'm really digging LEDs now, and been trying to catch up to evrything under the sun LED. So much out there now. Been pimping everything with IC RGBs, and completed some awesome non grow related builds too. Getting hooked in finally, now that they've proven to perform so well for photosynthesis. Can't wait to upgrade from fooling with household SILs to the slim strips. Or can I? I'm pretty impressed with the inefficient screw in bulbs actually.

I want every possible lighting technology built into one package though. I want it all; low voltage flicker free Halogens, incandescents, xenon arc (the closest thing to the sun BTW, but needs special filters or water jackets to replicate\emulate the exact solar spectrum you want.. unless for some reason its the 35-50w auto headlight versions that blind everyone on the road?).. HIDs, LECs, LEDs for every wavelength, induction, you name it.

Not large single 100-1k+ watt bulbs either, but a whole grid full of multiple smaller ceramic HPS and MH HID bulbs, which puts archaic single ended HID tech on another level, and never really gets compared to. Its not fair that 20-70w mini ceramics cost $60 for a single bulb now (and even more for a mini ballast), only because LED took over. They would cost a few dollars at the most if still in mass production, and be even more advanced with colors, etc. No more hot spots, and many other pros to having lower wattage HID grid lighting panels.

Either way, I want the whole package, all in one fixture, LEDs and all. For running multiple tests and figuring out how to manipulate growth exactly how I want. Watch it in real time, day by day, and with timelapse cameras.. Just by turning a few knobs, and selecting from an infinite amount of the known spectrum combos and all the lighting tech that I can possibly cram into one unit. No matter what environment its placed into, with built in IR heating when needed..
I wanna discover unknown effects if possible, just like Emerson did. By experimenting and messing around.. Ahh yeah

Spoken like a REAL engineer!

 

[Ttystikk]

Observe. I am nothing like anything here, there is nothing else like me. If there was an animal that was my “ancestor” then there would be other creatures similar to me and there are not.

Actually there is; the Bonobo Chimpanzee is more closely related to humans than it is to any other animal.

I'm not a genetic scientist but I know better than to argue with them on this one lol

Besides, why is it so scary to be related to animals? We had to come from somewhere and the evidence is pretty clear in this case.

 

[Ttystikk]

You are wrong (and not just about LEC being very different from the old CMH), but okay. I don't care enough to get into a long back and forth about it. We have been through this before, and you don't seem to listen, or accept new information.

The difference is the ballast, not the lamp.

Source; I read lots of Philips Lighting White Papers on these lamps and the ballasts they're designed to be operated with.

 

[Aristoned]

I'm really digging LEDs now, and been trying to catch up to evrything under the sun LED. So much out there now. Been pimping everything with IC RGBs, and completed some awesome non grow related builds too. Getting hooked in finally, now that they've proven to perform so well for photosynthesis. Can't wait to upgrade from fooling with household SILs to the slim strips. Or can I? I'm pretty impressed with the inefficient screw in bulbs actually.

I want every possible lighting technology built into one package though. I want it all; low voltage flicker free Halogens, incandescents, xenon arc (the closest thing to the sun BTW, but needs special filters or water jackets to replicate\emulate the exact solar spectrum you want.. unless for some reason its the 35-50w auto headlight versions that blind everyone on the road?).. HIDs, LECs, LEDs for every wavelength, induction, you name it.

Not large single 100-1k+ watt bulbs either, but a whole grid full of multiple smaller ceramic HPS and MH HID bulbs, which puts archaic single ended HID tech on another level, and never really gets compared to. Its not fair that 20-70w mini ceramics cost $60 for a single bulb now (and even more for a mini ballast), only because LED took over. They would cost a few dollars at the most if still in mass production, and be even more advanced with colors, etc. No more hot spots, and many other pros to having lower wattage HID grid lighting panels.

Either way, I want the whole package, all in one fixture, LEDs and all. For running multiple tests and figuring out how to manipulate growth exactly how I want. Watch it in real time, day by day, and with timelapse cameras.. Just by turning a few knobs, and selecting from an infinite amount of the known spectrum combos and all the lighting tech that I can possibly cram into one unit. No matter what environment its placed into, with built in IR heating when needed..
I wanna discover unknown effects if possible, just like Emerson did. By experimenting and messing around.. Ahh yeah

I’m doing just that.

I should be able to field a prototype before the end of this year.

BUT!

I really want to do a 960W vertical grow in a 4x4.

For now, look at the vegetative growth photographed below. I was hoping I wouldn’t have to mix strips and it seems these are what I’m wanting so far. I’m betting I’m going to want some 3000K in there for a bit more stem, it is a bit too early to tell as I used the 3000K Vero’s on the Kush before building the 4000K Slims.

 

[Aristoned]

Actually there is; the Bonobo Chimpanzee is more closely related to humans than it is to any other animal.

I'm not a genetic scientist but I know better than to argue with them on this one lol

Besides, why is it so scary to be related to animals? We had to come from somewhere and the evidence is pretty clear in this case.

This animal does not resemble me in any way, I’m also not cannibalistic.

 

[Ttystikk]

This animal does not resemble me in any way, I’m also not cannibalistic.

Even a first year biology major can poke more holes in that argument than a spaghetti colander.

And as for the second, I'll merely direct you to the Alferd Packer Dining Hall on the University of Colorado Boulder Campus; look him up, food for thought.

 

[Aristoned]

Even a first year biology major can poke more holes in that argument than a spaghetti colander.

And as for the second, I'll merely direct you to the Alferd Packer Dining Hall on the University of Colorado Boulder Campus; look him up, food for thought.

This is an excellent example of the stark difference between Human and animal.

My children will have my skull, their offspring will have theirs.

 

[Aristoned]

I’m not seeing any adverse effects by using infrared alongside the LED, you can see the temperature and how stable everything is.

This is what the morning looks like on a graph.

 

[Neferhotep]

I think there are three main groups of lifeforms on this planet: plants, funghi and animals.
It would be unfair to place the species humans outside animals and say that that species forms a separate group. It's too unlikely. It's simply impossible.

There is a superb interview with Asimov on Youtube. I'll look it up.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

The oldest remains we have found were about 200k years old (est.) which would put that right inline with the last ice age.

Which sounds right to me, if we existed before then this world would be vastly different than it is. The majority of our technological advancement has come in a very short time, roughly 150 years so far.

Just the past 3,000 years have seen wild advancements in the face of opposition.

300,000 years for Homo Sapien remains. But how do you explain all the other Homo species that have been found from before then? Lucy's remains are like 3.2 million years old. Based on what I've seen it's pretty obvious evolution is real.

And like it or not you are an animal.

animal​

: any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living things including many-celled organisms and often many of the single-celled ones (such as protozoans) that typically differ from plants in having cells without cellulose walls, in lacking chlorophyll and the capacity for photosynthesis, in requiring more complex food materials (such as proteins), in being organized to a greater degree of complexity, and in having the capacity for spontaneous movement and rapid motor responses to stimulation

 

[Aristoned]

I think there are three main groups of lifeforms on this planet: plants, funghi and animals.
It would be unfair to place the species humans outside animals and say that that species forms a separate group. It's too unlikely. It's simply impossible.

There is a superb interview with Asimov on Youtube. I'll look it up.

Not impossible. It is clear that before there were Humans there was no society, language, writing, singing, poetry, visual art, architecture, etc. Before Humanity there were “hunters & gatherers”, Humans cultivated plants and kept animals for food and clothing.

It is more logical that Humanity is the most valuable of all things in the universe as the society we all share today was built by Humans. Cars, bikes, cell phones, skateboards, washing machines, the use of electricity.

I mean, no primate will ever build a light bulb.

 

[Aristoned]

300,000 years for Homo Sapien remains. But how do you explain all the other Homo species that have been found from before then? Lucy's remains are like 3.2 million years old. Based on what I've seen it's pretty obvious evolution is real.

And like it or not you are an animal.

animal​

: any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living things including many-celled organisms and often many of the single-celled ones (such as protozoans) that typically differ from plants in having cells without cellulose walls, in lacking chlorophyll and the capacity for photosynthesis, in requiring more complex food materials (such as proteins), in being organized to a greater degree of complexity, and in having the capacity for spontaneous movement and rapid motor responses to stimulation

I don’t look anything like this.

 

[Ttystikk]

This is an excellent example of the stark difference between Human and animal.

My children will have my skull, their offspring will have theirs.

Not exactly a strong argument for humans NOT being animals.

Pigs are so close to people that we're harvesting their organs for use in human transplants.

 

[Ca++]

Edit: No lighting related info in this post.

We kill things similar to us. It's a hatred still seen in racism. I don't think any country actually welcomes immigration. People moving in on them. Trumps popularity hinges upon this. Imagine if the immigrants coming our way, were not human. Instead, we would call them animals. And we have bugger all respect for animals we don't domesticate/enslave. We simply killed the competition and likely ate them during the last ice age.

Ants build bridges, and stick things together. Monkeys may start a job with one tool, then finish it with another. Why wouldn't this evolve further.

Some religions teach only man (perhaps not even woman) has intelligence. Refusing to see that other animals must think about things. Like.. eat, drink, couple up. Not seeing family units, prides or flocks. Perhaps they are not intelligent enough themselves, if they can't open their eyes and understand what they are looking at.

I don't have my dads skull. I don't have a cross between my mums and dads gene expression either. There is a major breeding issue in that argument, that really shouldn't be found on a site like this