Discoloration from PureBlendPro?

[fivefingerlid]

I've had this happen once before, when I used Pure Blend Pro in Hydro. This time, I'm using soil, and here it is again.

This is one of five Northern Lights Pure Indica, approx. 28 days from seed. I fed it for the first time, 2 days ago with 1/4 strength PBP Veg. & a couple drops of Superthrive to about 3 gal of Creek Water. (I use the creek's water because it's PH of 6.0 is lower than my tap's PH of 8.0)

I'm just curious if anyone's had any experience with this. This is also my first grow with purchased genetics (thanks for the freebies, Gypsy!), I'm a little concerned about the lower leaves looking as they do, and I would welcome any feedback you fine people could provide. Thanks in advance!

FFL

Sorry Sunnyside. My boss walked in, and I had to abandon the whole thing. Please tell me what you think. (Top pic is the discolored one) Then some of the rest. Thanks.

 

[sunnyside]

without pics its hard to say...but if they are 28 days old and you are only feeding 1/4 stregnth they are probably hungry plants. If the lower leaves that are changing colors are turning yellow than it is probably a nitrogen deficiency. Hit them with a 1/2 to full stregnth pbp next time and see if it helps. Let us know how it works.

 

[anarchitect]

Edited, and added pics. I'm really interested in what you folks think about these. Do you agree w/ Sunnyside's statement about them needing nitrogen? Thanks again. Peace.

 

[sunnyside]

What kinda light are you using? They look a little small for a month old...low light levels can be a nightmare to work with...slow, un-even growth.

Nitrogen is still your culprit in my opinion, but it looks like it may be more than just nitrogen that is keeping your girls from becoming women.

 

[Guest]

I think pureblend pro is a watered down version of pureblend .

 

[sunnyside]

what sort of evidence do you have to support your claim Chronic Future??? That is a bullshit claim bro...dont throw that crap out on the boards.

I am not a pbp stockholder or anything, but I support the truth.

 

[fivefingerlid]

They germed on 11-05-05. 30 days ago yesterday. I had 'em under six 2"x24" CW flouro's (1 inch away) for about 3 weeks. Then, they went under two 175w Metal Halides. They stayed under those for a couple of days, until I found out that the bulbs were Mercury Vapor in Metal Halide fixtures. SO...they are now vegging under two 150w HPS fixtures, 24/7 light schedule.

I appreciate your input Sunnyside. Looks like I've got some work to do regarding the "dialing in" of my system.

Watered down Pure Blend, huh? That's one hell of a weird way of doing business. Kinda doubt that one myself. "Oh, I've got a great product here. How 'bout I water it down, and change the name a little"?

Yeah, right.

Thanks for all of the USEFUL information.

FFL

 

[Guest]

I also use PBP and for what it's worth, I've seen this on some of my new growth tips when they were forming. However, once it became a mature leaf the discoloring was not there.

 

[Twist]

yes true PG Iv'i seen that'

Twist

 

[fivefingerlid]

yep. same deal here. the color has gone away. i suppose im concerned that i (we) could be using too much PBP. but then again, i wouldn't be having a nitrogen def. if that was the case, right?

 

[Twist]

no you would burn them.

 

[fivefingerlid]

not trying to be argumentative here, but everything i've heard about PBP state that it's almost impossible to burn plants with it.

 

[Guest]

not trying to be argumentative here, but everything i've heard about PBP state that it's almost impossible to burn plants with it.

Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see I've certainly burned mine before. Usually as a result of repetitive feeding of too much that resulted in salt build-ups and/or lockouts. Perhaps the plant could sustain a one-time overdose of PBP without burning though. Pour some on your plant and let us know ;-)


I stay on the weak side of nutes and monitor runoff to gauge plants nutrient uptake. So, I wouldn't say the discoloring is a result of over-fert.

What kind of temps you running on your seedlings? Like others have pointed out, they are quite small for their age.

 

[Guest]

you using cal-mag or any other sups? My pure NL (outdoor) using PBP Hydro gave it a wicked mag def. Dried the plant up almost killed it. Dropped cal-mag and 2 weeks later problem sloved. Now This was late in the flowering stage and was because i was using the the hydro fert in soil. Just an Idea if it helps.


Twist: GO STARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

I've been having trouble with CalMag, at least that what I'm suspecting... but it could be any combination of sweet, liquid karma and calmag. I have a R/O system and at first I was using CalMag but I couldn't quite seem to get something healthy growing in Coco Coir. Runoff EC gradually was rising to the point of lockout. My tap comes out at .3 EC and my R/O near zero, so what I am doing currently is using 50/50 tap and R/O to get me to around .18 EC. I only use PBP with that and use straight R/O + Cal Mag once per week. So far so good but I'm still tinkering. I also make myself flush with Clearex once every 14 days to stay on the safe side.

 

[fivefingerlid]

I'm not using any supplements. I've just started feeding with the PBP early last week. It was left over from a hydro grow a couple of years ago. That may be something as well. The fact the PBP was a hydro fert, and I used it in soil?

I think that the light I put together, and had them under for the first 3 weeks, was not strong enough. I wired six 24" flouro's together, and mounted them to a board. They were hung approx. 2" from the tops of the seedlings. Thing is, the bulbs looked dim. I'm thinking they were not lighting off properly. Like the "sockets" for the bulbs spread apart, and the electrodes were not making good contact with the pins.

Don't mind saying - the whole thing is frustrating the hell outta me! I've accumulated the HID lighting I needed, and found out later the bulbs were wrong. I turned my bagseed plant into a effin' hermie and now I've got "little plant syndrome". I'm ready to chuck it all, and start over from scratch. Thanks again for all of the input. I really appreciate it.

 

[Guest]

The difference with the hydro formula is it has less Phosphate. You can add some jamaican or indonesian bat guano. This worked for me.

Chronic Future

http://www.americanagritech.com/faq/faq.asp#1


The link above will give ya a break down on supper for your girls. Pureblend Original is an organic compost solution to be used as a supplement with standard plant foods. Pureblend Pro is a hydro-organic, stand alone plant food to be used as the primary fertilizer and is beneficial for both hydrogardens as well as soil gardens.


Mr.Wags

 

[Twist]

I allso use a combination of sweet, liquid karma and calmag.with R/O water and they all look good.

Twist

 

[Guest]

what sort of evidence do you have to support your claim Chronic Future??? That is a bullshit claim bro...dont throw that crap out on the boards.

I am not a pbp stockholder or anything, but I support the truth.

I got this from BOG over at OG. BOG "Hell no man those pure blends are the most concentrated and economical version to use in soil or hydro. I also have always used their version for hydro the regular blends rather than the pro and I still do in soil because the pro is half as strong in application rates making it a dilute version of the same thing, at least that is what I suspect so just go easy on the concentrations and shake well each time. I should be shipping books to distributors later next week so not long as the printing has been completed and it went great! BOG" http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=561598&onlyuser=&perpage=15&pagenumber=37

 

[sunnyside]

BOG is your source...lol BOG knows plants, but apparently BOG doesn't know the ingredients of the botanicare line. He say clearly "at least that is what I suspect"... just an opinion. And we all know what they say about opinions...

If you like I can post the ingredients...I've used both and I know both, and they are different.