Destro's Firsts!! (Custom Cab, Mr. Nice Shit, Canna Coco/Nutes)

[Destro Grows]

HENNESSY - Thanks for stopping by Hen Roc, and for the reassurance/advice. Believe me, I know I need it. I'm at the point know where I work out the specifics of how to do my 12/12.

Originally I was going to grow these out, clone them for sex, trash the males, grow out the females into mums and then take clones from them for an 8 plant single cola SOG type grow. Now I'm thinking that's going to take WAY too long, so now I'm pondering vegging them to 10", take a cutting from each to preserve genetics, stick them under 12/12, trash the males/male cuttings and grow out the remaining cuttings into mothers to use for future SOG type grows.

If I go the second route, I'll definitely use your advice about using the toppings for clones.

 

[Destro Grows]

ROOKIE MISTAKE NUMERO DOS!!!

I think I jumped the gun with the nutes and burned my seedlings/stunted their growth.

Just to recap, I've fed them twice since Sunday the 9th -- once Sunday morning and once yesterday afternoon. The nute mix was 4ml/L of Rhizo and 1ml/L of Canna A+B, final EC of .7 and PH'd to 6.0. I thought this was really really light and had no chance of hurting them.

Well, I just checked them and growth seems to have slowed and I'm noticing little yellow/brown spots on the first set of single leaves. I can see the tips of the second set of leaves (real leaves?) forming, and they look kinda brown. This is affecting all six seedlings uniformly.

I took some pics, but these things are pretty small so it was really hard to catch the details. Here's the best I could do:











Any thoughts? I totally pulled a new jack move and nute burned them, didn't I?

Should I immediately flush with PH'd tap water, or wait until I was going to water them next to flush?

 

[C_Q]

Hey destro, nice little grow you got going there. I think you shouldnt even feed until the cotyledons are yellowing? I think .7ec might just be too high also. I started my clones at .7 and they burned! Dunno if you should wait on the flush or not tho, PH'd tap sounds fine. Are you adjusting to 6.0 cause they're seedlings? Cause I've heard normal is 5.8?

 

[Destro Grows]

Hey destro, nice little grow you got going there. I think you shouldnt even feed until the cotyledons are yellowing? I think .7ec might just be too high also. I started my clones at .7 and they burned! Dunno if you should wait on the flush or not tho, PH'd tap sounds fine. Are you adjusting to 6.0 cause they're seedlings? Cause I've heard normal is 5.8?

C_Q - Yeah, I think I fell victim to the "love your seedlings to death" syndrome. They're not literally dead, but the early nutes was definitely a dumb move. Don't know what I was thinking.

Oh well, I flushed them tonight with about 250ml of PH'd tap water (95% of it was runoff). Hopefully that'll do the trick and everything will pick back up. Once I get fully formed three finger leaves, I'll start back with some light nutes and just try to read the plants for their needs.

And I PH to exactly 6.0 for no good reason really. I've kinda been under the assumption that anything from 5.8 - 6.0 is fine. I've thought that when you're going for +/- .1 levels of PH, you're just really tweaking uptake of specific nutrients for different stages of growth. To be honest, I'm just trying to keep these babies alive so I can get a harvest under my belt. I figure I have many more grows in my future to fine tune my technique and to pick up on the subtleties.

 

[Destro Grows]

I haven't posted in a while because growth has been SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

My seedlings have been out of the ground almost 10 DAYS and the first true leaves haven't even fully developed yet. I must have really stunted them with those two early feedings.

Here's what they look like now:







(the last one is out of focus, sorry)

As you can see they're very droopy and I've got a little leaf curl and ridges between leaf veins. I'm this is due to my over feeding when they were barely out of the ground. I'm pretty sure I've got all my other bases covered.

My temps have been good (68 - 80 deg F) and any waterings have been PH'd to 5.8 - 6.0. Since the nute burn I've watered three times every other day. I mixed a liter of half tap and half distilled, PH'd it and ran the whole liter through all six seedlings each time.

So yeah, I'm trying to decide where I should go from here. The cotyledons on a few of them are starting to yellow, so I guess it's actually time to feed. I don't know if it's worth it though as the growth has been SOOO SLOOOOW for the past week. Maybe I stunted them enough that they'll never bounce back to their original vigor. I'm considering just chucking these and starting over with six new beans.

Any thoughts, advice, opinions???

 

[Destro Grows]

Since the nute burn I've watered three times every other day. I mixed a liter of half tap and half distilled, PH'd it and ran the whole liter through all six seedlings each time.

After re-reading this, I don't think I was making any sense.

I've watered three times over the past six days, once every other day. Each watering was a liter flushed equally through all six seedlings.

Hope that clears any confusion, real or just made up in my head.

 

[Guest]

Hare Krishna little ones

 

[Guest]

are you letting them pots dry out before you water again? they look real green with no real nute burn...they should start to take off soon..we hope

maybe the straight coco and to much watering is not letting the roots breath..!!!?!

 

[suckerrepellent]

lookin good dude. i think it might be a good idea to hold off on the nutes until the plant has developed itself. i typically like to wait until at least the second node of legitimate leaves is formed. im checkin in onthis grow. lookin forward to updates.

 

[Pirate138]

hey destro, im gettin ready to make the coco plunge as well, is it that more expensive than soil?

 

[herbal essences]

Destro, I was looking forward to watching this grow go on, where are ya!?

 

[Destro Grows]

Wow, I had no idea people would still be checking for this if I took a quick break from posting. I had some stuff come up and couldn't really keep up with the detailed documentation. Sorry to anyone that has been checking this thread for updates.

It has been an eventful two weeks. Indica Sativa's hare krishnas must have done the trick cause shortly thereafter these babies really started to take off. Here's a quick narrative of what's been going down:

(don't have exact dates cause I slacked keeping my grow journal too)

Two Weeks Ago


- after another day or two the cotyledons really started yellowing
- started feeding with a light dose, .5ml/L A+B and 2ml/L Rhizo, .45EC
- put a fan on low in the box pointed away from the seedlings
- growth really started to kick off
- 2.25" pots started to dry out within 24 hours
- transplanted into 5.5" pots, noticed good roots in all
- little to no transplant shock, slow growth for a day if that
- upped the nutes to 1.5ml/L A+B and 4ml/L Rhizo, .85EC
- feeding once every three days when leaves start to get droopy

So without further ado, here are some pics I just took:

Top Shot


"Canopy" Shot


Tight Internodes??


Sativa Pheno


Indica Pheno


So yeah, they've been in the 5.5" pots for 6 or 7 days (I think) and I can already see fat hairy roots poking out of the drainage holes. I'm thinking I can let them go another few days and then pot up to two gallon grow bags. I'm going to flower in the bags, so I'll just continue to veg until they get to about 10" and flip to 12/12.

I was originally going to veg out long enough to take cuttings and do mums, but so I'm so anxious for some home grown to smoke that I might just grow these out, cull the males and use the 11 beans I have left to get into mums/cloning. I'm over the moon that I've managed to keep these alive and looking green, I just want to ride it out now.

For nutes, I'm going to start pushing them with my next feeding -- maybe 1.0 - 1.2 EC. I want to get that root ball really established before I transplant to grow bags. They seem to be doing okay enough, maybe even a little deficient in the veins if you're up close and the light hits it right.

And NPK was correct upthread, Mr. Nice's Shit looks like it has been "weeded" down to two phenos -- a taller sativa and a shorter indica. The bottom two pics illustrate the difference. I really hope I get a female of each so I can compare the quality of the smoke between the two. If they're different, I'll try to find a mum of both. If the smoke is the same, then I'll look for the shortest, squatest, fatest bud yielding bitch out of the bunch to keep.

Again, thanks to everyone that has been following my thread and I hope to keep the updates coming.

 

[herbal essences]

excellent

 

[Destro Grows]

Time for an update I guess.

I've fed twice since my last post, both feedings at 1.1 EC (water was .24 EC). The plants seem to like it, one or two has the slightest of burnt tips but it's not noticeable unless you're really looking for it.

So far my feedings have been once every two or three days, but I think the root system is pretty established and I'm ready to starting watering every day. I'll keep my nutes at the same 1.1 EC for a day or two and see if I can't bump them up to 1.3 or so.

Anyway, here's some fresh pics from a few minutes ago:

(if they look droopy, it's cause they were watered this morning)

Top of the Tops


Side Shot


Sativa Dom


Indica Dom


Node Closeup


Everything is looking pretty good I guess. I'm trying not to obsess over every little yellow spot or streak and just assume the feedings will take care of themselves as long as I'm up on my PH and nute levels.

I have noticed two issues though that I'd like to share.

I've got some dead spots on a couple leaves on one plants. They're old growth relatively, on the first two nodes if you're counting up from the first one fingered leaf. I think they might be left over "burn" from when I stunted them from feeding too early. None of the growth since has the same spots so I'm not really that worried.

Here's a closeup, sorry it's blurry -- It's the main leaf right in the middle:

Also, five out of the six plants are growing at pretty much the same rate (one of the sativa doms is a little out in front). One of them seems to be lagging behind though. I've got it propped up so it's closer to the light hoping it will catch up. I've noticed though that the new growth out of the top is slow and has a rusty brown tint to it. Eventually the brown tint will disappear and the leaf will grow out, but the new top growth is always pretty brown and is SLOW.

Here's a closeup shot of brown tint:

Is there anything I can do about this besides keep it close to the light, or do I just have a runt that may or may not catch up?

Oh, and if you can't tell I've got my CFLs mounted to drawer slides which I raise and lower with chains and hooks. The shots above were all taken with the lights raised, but I'm keeping them about 2" off the tops of the plants.

Lights Down


Okay, I guess that's all for now. Thanks for reading!

 

[true]

nice

nice

hola bro lookin nice... Love the sativa dom got one and she looks lika thai the pix is old but that is how she looks..






keep it green..

 

[Destro Grows]

Peace true, thanks for coming through.

I have actually been following your threads here in the MNS forums and over on the MNS website. It all looks great! I wish I had the space and the means to work on the scale you do.

 

[Destro Grows]

Well the plants are starting to show their sex. Out of the four indica phenos, the three lushest, healthiest are male and the the little stunted runt I posted about upthread is female, go figure. Both of the sativa phenos are female and looking very healthy, so bonus I guess.

I had plans to post a good update with pics, but some dick followed me from the grow shop today and I'm still a little bugged out.

Here's a thread I made if anyone's interested.

Don't know if I'll be going forward with this. Sucks too as I was going to be putting them in flower soon. Oh well, got to make a tough decision.

 

[herbal essences]

Damn dude, that a pretty sketchy story, sounds to me like some sort of scum bag, I hope all is well and you can continue the grow, but never risk your security, I was hoping to learn alot from your grow, but just stay safe brotha..