Ray of Light
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Hello Icmag!
I turn to you with my handfull of problems, because I know you are the best
Let's get straight to the matter...
This are the space characteristics that is avalible.
The measurments are on the pictures in meters and feet.
For better represetation, some 3d shots, accualy, the place is a basement, half in the ground.
The current setup is 18 biobuckets, like that;
BB reservoir is accualy half the size...(the thing on the picture is accualy a jacuzzi) The red dot is a chemney, used to vent out.... like this;
The black thing is a box behind the open window keeping the sounds inside and letting the air in. Air cools in the hallway, because we are half in the ground, remember? Green things are fans, from 600m^3/h to 1200m^3/h. And 3x 600watters with cooltubes.C.S. is carbon scrubber.
This whole room, as you can see is vented (some other pics in the gallery), but for the second one I am planing CO2.
Same color scheme as before. 9x600watts, 1 big fan and 3 smaller, one for every 3 cooltubes, active intake from the window (yep, can mask if from outside) for cooltubes and venting out the chemney. I have a 18K btu AC unit to handle the heat (keeping the temp at 27°C / 80F). I have read that 3kbtu per 1 hps kw, so that fits.
Now the real problems show up
- BioBucket Option;
At the moment I am runing 18 biobuckets inside. I have calculated I could fit 3 systems like that in the empty room. (54bb total in one room) The first problem is keeping the water at 20°C/68F with air temperature 27°C / 80F, that is optimal when runing co2. One chiller won't do it. Three is the magic number and that is quite exprencive. Having 3 reservoirs is a pain in the ass as well with BB system in this tight place, they would have to be outside the growroom and watter needs to fall for certian amout each meter it travels + on the end - waterfall effect. That could be solved with one huge res and that has its cons as well. Plus the huge amount of trimming at once each ~(3+8)weeks.
- Ebb&Flow Option;
The second idea, that hasnt manifested yet is Ebb&flow sog tables. (Something like pico is doing here; 2400w hydroton ebb flow; http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=54802) Keeping the room at 12/12 all the time, vegging moms and clones in the small empty room no3, using 3-6 reservoirs under the tables and keeping it perpetual. What is the amount of clones I need to fill up this room with ebb&flow ready to flower ? I dont know if its possible to produce souch a big stock of clones in a small veg room like we have here. On the other hand, I could find some fine phenos faster with larger amount of plants.... And ofcourse, do I have a problem with water temperature with ebb&flow system, since roots are not in the water all the time? I cant find the answer anywhere... :|
Once I find the perfect solution for this yet empty space,
I plan to copy it over the existing solution in the first room.
I would love to hear your comments on my story
Ray
--
Oh, and an empy one, just for you, to play around in MSpaint
I turn to you with my handfull of problems, because I know you are the best
Let's get straight to the matter...This are the space characteristics that is avalible.
The measurments are on the pictures in meters and feet.
For better represetation, some 3d shots, accualy, the place is a basement, half in the ground.
The current setup is 18 biobuckets, like that;
BB reservoir is accualy half the size...(the thing on the picture is accualy a jacuzzi
) The red dot is a chemney, used to vent out.... like this;
The black thing is a box behind the open window keeping the sounds inside and letting the air in. Air cools in the hallway, because we are half in the ground, remember? Green things are fans, from 600m^3/h to 1200m^3/h. And 3x 600watters with cooltubes.C.S. is carbon scrubber.
This whole room, as you can see is vented (some other pics in the gallery), but for the second one I am planing CO2.
Same color scheme as before. 9x600watts, 1 big fan and 3 smaller, one for every 3 cooltubes, active intake from the window (yep, can mask if from outside) for cooltubes and venting out the chemney. I have a 18K btu AC unit to handle the heat (keeping the temp at 27°C / 80F). I have read that 3kbtu per 1 hps kw, so that fits.
Now the real problems show up
- BioBucket Option;
At the moment I am runing 18 biobuckets inside. I have calculated I could fit 3 systems like that in the empty room. (54bb total in one room) The first problem is keeping the water at 20°C/68F with air temperature 27°C / 80F, that is optimal when runing co2. One chiller won't do it. Three is the magic number and that is quite exprencive. Having 3 reservoirs is a pain in the ass as well with BB system in this tight place, they would have to be outside the growroom and watter needs to fall for certian amout each meter it travels + on the end - waterfall effect. That could be solved with one huge res and that has its cons as well. Plus the huge amount of trimming at once each ~(3+8)weeks.
- Ebb&Flow Option;
The second idea, that hasnt manifested yet is Ebb&flow sog tables. (Something like pico is doing here; 2400w hydroton ebb flow; http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=54802) Keeping the room at 12/12 all the time, vegging moms and clones in the small empty room no3, using 3-6 reservoirs under the tables and keeping it perpetual. What is the amount of clones I need to fill up this room with ebb&flow ready to flower ? I dont know if its possible to produce souch a big stock of clones in a small veg room like we have here. On the other hand, I could find some fine phenos faster with larger amount of plants.... And ofcourse, do I have a problem with water temperature with ebb&flow system, since roots are not in the water all the time? I cant find the answer anywhere... :|
Once I find the perfect solution for this yet empty space,
I plan to copy it over the existing solution in the first room.
I would love to hear your comments on my story
Ray
--
Oh, and an empy one, just for you, to play around in MSpaint
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