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Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

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k33ftr33z

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Its been 8 days sence my 1st round of defoliating and things are already filling back in. My plan was to wait for day 32 before another round of leaf removal but thats not gonna work out if i want this to work so today is it. Ill get another before and after pic today. Seems like the smaller secondary fan leaves stepped up to take over for the missing leaves. Bud growth still hasent slowed at all. Things look great all the way to the soil. Peace LL


Sounds good.

I am sure that the replacement leaf mass surpasses the removed leaf mass within 4-5 days on the first 2-3 rounds. By week 5-6 the plant won't be replacing as much but the job remains to have her finish in a pre-manicured state. You want to save that really close frosty leaf for your favorite post-harvest processing(keef, oil, butter, water hash) so don't remove those as long as they are not interfering.
 
My apologies if this has been asked/answered already, but will this technique work with any medium ?

It would appear that the crucial point is the training aspect, would this be a correct assumption ?

I would definitely like to give this a go...point that hit home was:

If it were leaves we were interested in, we'd be golden ;)

TIA
 
Well I gotta hand it to you, k33ftr33z, a major thanks and +rep to you. :tiphat::thank you:

I did what you suggested within the same hour of my reading it the first time, and boy,
I can see the difference almost immediately and the benefits keep comin'.

I have +repped you, and I hope everyone reading your post does so also.

A post of this quality is rare - I should know -
I've been and am a member of several weed fora and a gem like this is once-a-blue-moon.

Power to your buds, k33ftr33z, now and always

Thank you - deeply.

e2a:
ps no pressure - I'm reading all your posts from now on!
 
I had an afterthought some time after my previous post -

we know that plants use CO2, and that CO2 is naturally quite low -
with defoliaging, the leaves that are left (the ones attached to the bud sites)
will have more opportunity to absorb the ambient CO2 and so buds should be heavier.

What do you think?
 

twrex

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Possibly, it would allow more available CO2 to reach the budsites which would mean more localized production of sugars and such rather than making it in far off leaf sites and then having to waste energy to move it around and such. This would also make sense from the point of view of the bud sites expanding after defoliation because they're what the plant is now dependent upon for its power generation.

Obviously the plant wants to grow these sites out more anyhow since the bigger your flowers the more likely you are to catch pollen. When looking at it that way, defoliation is just giving the plant a nudge to do more of what it wants to do anyhow.
 

LifeLess

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2nd defloliating is over. Its dosent look as i took out as much but i think i actually took out more this time. I dont really wanna take the leaf from the actual buds. Theres 5 plants in the grow. 2-Apollolicious 2-ChemD and 1 Indiana Bubblegum. From what i see in growth so far the tops are right on track and the lowers are well above normal. Heres all pics up to date.




day20 4 days after 1st defoliation


Day 25 Before 2nd defoliation


After 2nd defoliation

After 2nd defoliation 4plants
 
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jrosek

LIFE... LOOKS REAL GOOD MAN!

For future reference... never remove the leaf from the bud site or the growing nodes... this is what supports the bud growth....

Great job!
 

k33ftr33z

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LIFE... LOOKS REAL GOOD MAN!

For future reference... never remove the leaf from the bud site or the growing nodes... this is what supports the bud growth....

Great job!

Exactly, you want to allow that leaf to trich-up for processing for it's keef content...and to support the buds growth.

and concur on the LIFE... LOOKS REAL GOOD MAN!
 

k33ftr33z

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My apologies if this has been asked/answered already, but will this technique work with any medium ?

It would appear that the crucial point is the training aspect, would this be a correct assumption ?

I would definitely like to give this a go...point that hit home was:

If it were leaves we were interested in, we'd be golden ;)

TIA

Medium is not a factor. Go with what you like. Training is an important part of tight growroom management. These girls will go every which way when left on their own. That's not necessarily good for a tidy and maximally productive unit. SOG handles this well by creating as small and as productive individual. My SCROG manages things by defoliating and intensive branch training. The training keeps thing from going too vertical. Tall plants indoors as well as overly leafy plants will diminish yield dramatically.

Good planning will take into account the size of a grow space and dividing that by the amount of plants to be grown. (unless you have previous experience, your thoughts on how many to grow may not be the best formula) That will give you an available square footage per plant. Mine are on a 32" centering.These branchy hi-yielding shrubs need that at a minimum.

If you are deciding on mediums try going without. Highly aerated water makes an effective medium at no cost. Medium is not at all necessary for support as many would think. Support can be provided in much more cost effective ways than relying on a base medium. String and frame is cheap and never needs changing or carrying in or out of a basement. Mediums are highly overrated for any function. There main function is cost to you, profit for suppliers, and excess work.

Uh Oh, another controversial subject. I'll get into mediums in another thread another day. :tiphat:
 

ShroomDr

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All the people talking about light 'hitting the floor' are driving me CRAZY.

Light bounces off of everything. Its not like it hits the floor and stays there.
 
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jrosek

All the people talking about light 'hitting the floor' are driving me CRAZY.

Light bounces off of everything. Its not like it hits the floor and stays there.

light is absorbed by dark colors. unless everything is white... its not gonna " bounce " far.
 

BIG JT

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aero

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Medium is not a factor. Go with what you like. Training is an important part of tight growroom management. These girls will go every which way when left on their own. That's not necessarily good for a tidy and maximally productive unit. SOG handles this well by creating as small and as productive individual. My SCROG manages things by defoliating and intensive branch training. The training keeps thing from going too vertical. Tall plants indoors as well as overly leafy plants will diminish yield dramatically.

Good planning will take into account the size of a grow space and dividing that by the amount of plants to be grown. (unless you have previous experience, your thoughts on how many to grow may not be the best formula) That will give you an available square footage per plant. Mine are on a 32" centering.These branchy hi-yielding shrubs need that at a minimum.

If you are deciding on mediums try going without. Highly aerated water makes an effective medium at no cost. Medium is not at all necessary for support as many would think. Support can be provided in much more cost effective ways than relying on a base medium. String and frame is cheap and never needs changing or carrying in or out of a basement. Mediums are highly overrated for any function. There main function is cost to you, profit for suppliers, and excess work.

Uh Oh, another controversial subject. I'll get into mediums in another thread another day. :tiphat:


I totally agree with the water as a medium. Just bought 2 4X8 Botanicare Aero tables and can't wait to get em going, gonna try your defoliating technique. I'll take pictures and post ASAP
 

Anti

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light is absorbed by dark colors. unless everything is white... its not gonna " bounce " far.

Not to mention that light reflected back up off the floor has traveled a great distance (relative to light that hit the plants straight from the bulb) and is much more diffuse.
 
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NUG-JUG

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Why is this controversial? Any leaf blocking a bud site should be removed. Also this doesn't have to be an alternative to lollipopping imo. Lollipop, super-crop, and remove fan leaves IMHO.
 

bulkybud

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Great thread...1 of the 4 plants seems to be benefiting particularly from the leaf removal.
I've been using this technique on my Kush plants but my Delahaze does not like to lose fan leaves. I think it is a strain dependant thing because some indicas keep growing leaves like crazy throughout flowering...but other hybrids and sativas just seem to stretch and flower instead of bushing with tons of new growth.
 

twrex

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Why is this controversial? Any leaf blocking a bud site should be removed. Also this doesn't have to be an alternative to lollipopping imo. Lollipop, super-crop, and remove fan leaves IMHO.

To my understanding the point of lollipopping is to focus on main cola growth by removing all lower branches which would have 'popcorn' buds. Defoliation is a technique to increase the light penetration to those lower buds by removing leaves so that they aren't 'popcorn'.

Also, I'm curious as to why you would supercrop on a lollipopped plant? Isn't the point of supercropping to slow main stem growth to allow the lower budsites to push up and even out the canopy? If there's only one main cola then what would the point of such an exercise be?

Also, I want to clarify, I'm not saying you are wrong, in fact it might be that my understanding of these things is wrong. I'm just trying to clarify what you're saying so I can understand. :)
 
i'm gonna get some pictures up soon but have been having great results with this technique
seems like 4 days after you puck they are ready to be plucked again
i'm taking off a little everyday and the budsites just keep jammin

great thread and thanks - still learn something new everyday
 
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