Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[TruthOrLie]

El Toker,

By all means anyone who down right doesnt want to try it SHOULDN'T. Its their garden.

But these are plants dude - fortunately we are able to grow and grow, and grow some more. Gives us the ability to try new things - even if they've been "proven" so to speak. I'll suffer reduced yield to PERSONALLY see the difference myself. There are too many un-noted factors otherwise. What you "know" because of some trial doesnt mean shit to me.

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I'm suprised you ever intially tried cannabis El Toker. Did you know that it was PROVEN to kill brain cells many many years ago? Yea - trial and studies happened - and lots of the majority believed it until somebody decided to question such proof and do more studies. And then they proved the opposite.

PROOF so to speak can be bullshit.

I guess we just have two totally different thought processes.

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Just look at some of the contradictory shit that is in old school grow books vs. new techniques and methods..

Actually alcohol and extacy kill brain cells. Cannabis just cooks your brain like an egg sunny side up.

FACT.

 

[daheadies]

are yall really gunna copy and paste that same picture over and over? Yes, that is a high yielding plant, but what if that plant yielded higher with more foliage?

When I was introduced to the defoliation technique it was not through the internet. A friend, who produces on a commercial level, showed me a picture of his grow room. It looked almost identical to the post of all those huge yielding plants that keeps getting copy and pasted. I asked him "Dude, what strain is that? I wanna grow that!" and he said "theres like 15 strains in there" , I was like wtf? and he replied "try taking the fans off of your plant.. You have to start in veg, and continue through flower if leaves are crowding other leaves. eventually, all the strains look like this. The plants freak out when they dont have leaves so they produce buds instead."
I looked through tons of pictures of just strain after strain growing almost exactly the same, 1 huge cola after the next.. He Also advised topping w/ this technique, so that the main bud wont get so big that it will cause bud rot.
Anyways.. about 2 days after my friend told me this I took notice to this thread, and realized what he was telling me to do and what this thread is about are the same.
Anyways, the point is, if this technique is done properly, pretty much every strain should wind up being HUGE cola's..

 

[TruthOrLie]

Defoliation: IT WORKS!

Defoliation: IT WORKS!

I decided to give this defoliation thing a second shot. Here are my results:

This is a picture showing what the plant does without defoliation...

Here is another one with a flash if that makes a difference...

Without defoliation, this plant likes to eat its own leaves up one by one...

I noticed she picks to consume larger fan leaves or shaded interior leaves first...

See?

Anyway, so here I am defoliating one about halfway...

And here are two shots of the plant 3 minutes later, completely defoliated.

...and from another angle...

So there you have it. Basically doubled my yield in 5 minutes.*

I grow vertical so all that bottom 'larf' stuff you see gets hashed or milked.

***All pictures are of same plant. All defoliating was done in a matter of 10 minutes. This post should not be taken seriously.


EDIT: ps, thanks to this thread, all leaves defoliated in this mockery will be injested via weed milk for first time not trashed

ALSO this was done 1 week before chop. Hope I don't get PM again.

 

[mrktwiz]

lol nice

 

[greenduck]

awesome knowledge for a newbie. we are using same technique but with more plants and less spacing btw the plants. 21 plants on 1.5 tables (that's at 4x8 next to a 4x4). with this OG post im guessing you'd suggest maybe half the plants and more spacing ??and horizontal branching?

our setup:
we have 3 x 760 hps in the main room for the last 4 weeks of flowering and the first 4 wks are in a tent (one 4x8) with 2x760hps bulbs. the 4x8's are the black ones so im thinking i should get the white ones because the measuring is interior (gives a lil more space) plus the white is more reflective. also the walls and tent are white...should we use the more reflective foil on the walls instead? growing blueberry and Chernobyl (mainly Chernobyl from now on)

3 stations, each 4 weeks rotation.
a)4x4 (veg 4 weeks or when ever clones are ready
to
b)4X8 tent (veg for 1 to 1.5 weeks unless ready to FLIP) (12/12 lighting 3 to 4 weeks)
c)to 4X12 main room. (12/12 till harvest)

any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[TruthOrLie]

In situations with intense light and heat, did it ever occur to you defoliators that maybe the leaves are PROTECTING your TRICHOMES from destruction?

 

[whodare]

i thought it was cold that cause heavy leaf growth...
just sayin

 

[cosmicboss]

True.

True.

My friend jack herer plants in hydro likes when take some bigger leafs away, because then top of plant leafs start grow faster, but its early to say will buds start going bigger with that method. Some leafs and twigs in jack herer are very massive. But i don't think that plant is ready to take off all those massive leafs? Its now on 4 week flowering.

 

[Ember1]

In situations with intense light and heat, did it ever occur to you defoliators that maybe the leaves are PROTECTING your TRICHOMES from destruction?

Or possible removing the leaves in bloom will trigger the plant(s) to go in defense mode and start getting those buds going a little more. Animals eat leaves in the wild, so could help trigger the end of it's life cycle.

But honestly, unless you are out in the sun, I don't see our lights doing much damage to the plants. You have other problems to resolve if the heat in the room is getting too high to cause deterioration. Much of my strains develop trichromes on the leaf surface around the buds where they receive direct light.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Or possible removing the leaves in bloom will trigger the plant(s) to go in defense mode and start getting those buds going a little more. Animals eat leaves in the wild, so could help trigger the end of it's life cycle.

But honestly, unless you are out in the sun, I don't see our lights doing much damage to the plants. You have other problems to resolve if the heat in the room is getting too high to cause deterioration. Much of my strains develop trichromes on the leaf surface around the buds where they receive direct light.

Sun or light bulb it doesn't matter. The leaves provide shade which is a safe haven from the destructive forces of wind and high heat... which I have an abundance of with my fans and lights in a small space.

I look at my exposed trichomes after removing the large fans and now I'm scared to get them even half as close as I would when they had large shading fan leaves to protect the actual item I'm trying to harvest: not large nugs, but quality trichomes.

I guess if you just want to add weight to charge people more for medicine which is missing the actual medicinal qualities, then this technique has applications.

 

[TicalionStalion]

I think people need to realize that the plants we are growing are altered...let me try to explain the way I think of it...

I used to collect Discus fish, they were bred in big facilities, in bare fishtanks, just glass and water...so many different strains and hybrid fish. up untill the 70s, these fish only existed in the wild and look nothing like the crazy colorful, best shaped fish that I buy from a breeder. what Im saying is, once they were takin from the wild and all the years of selective breeding, being grown out in plain tanks in a facility, changed these fish. they dont eat the same, look the same, act the same as the wild fish. they require different water paramaters than the wild version, they have changed completly after years and years of being captive and being bred for their color, pattern and shape.

I feel its the same with our plants. I feel like saying "in nature, this happens, so Im gonna do this..." kinda doesnt count. these strains we grow have been selectively bred in "captivity" for years and years, bred for potency, yield, appearance, flavor and what not.

I dont see how you can revert back to nature because these plants are usually far off from where they originally came from outside. theyve been held down in grow rooms in all different parts of the world, grown with artificial lighting and food...they are used to the "captivity"... used to the HPS, not the sun.

I mean, this doesnt apply with MJ as much as it does w the discus fish, because we can grow most strains outside...but do u guys see what Im getting at?? I could never take a hybrid discus fish whos been selectively bred inside of fish facilities for decades and place it back in the amazon where the wild ones are found...they would die, different water requirements, different everything. no immunity.

idk, I hope someone gets my drift...either I make alittle sense, or Im totally wrong lol. lemme know what u think.

thanks.

 

[TruthOrLie]

I think people need to realize that the plants we are growing are altered...let me try to explain the way I think of it...

I used to collect Discus fish, they were bred in big facilities, in bare fishtanks, just glass and water...so many different strains and hybrid fish. up untill the 70s, these fish only existed in the wild and look nothing like the crazy colorful, best shaped fish that I buy from a breeder. what Im saying is, once they were takin from the wild and all the years of selective breeding, being grown out in plain tanks in a facility, changed these fish. they dont eat the same, look the same, act the same as the wild fish. they require different water paramaters than the wild version, they have changed completly after years and years of being captive and being bred for their color, pattern and shape.

I feel its the same with our plants. I feel like saying "in nature, this happens, so Im gonna do this..." kinda doesnt count. these strains we grow have been selectively bred in "captivity" for years and years, bred for potency, yield, appearance, flavor and what not.

I dont see how you can revert back to nature because these plants are usually far off from where they originally came from outside. theyve been held down in grow rooms in all different parts of the world, grown with artificial lighting and food...they are used to the "captivity"... used to the HPS, not the sun.

I mean, this doesnt apply with MJ as much as it does w the discus fish, because we can grow most strains outside...but do u guys see what Im getting at?? I could never take a hybrid discus fish whos been selectively bred inside of fish facilities for decades and place it back in the amazon where the wild ones are found...they would die, different water requirements, different everything. no immunity.

idk, I hope someone gets my drift...either I make alittle sense, or Im totally wrong lol. lemme know what u think.

thanks.

So basically you're saying if you cut the fins off of the captive fish they swim better?

 

[TicalionStalion]

no, thats not even in the slightest bit what Im saying. Im saying when u take something natural and change it thru years of manipulation, selective breeding, and growing it artificially indoors, statements like "in nature the plant does this, or that, so in my indoor grow Ill do this" doesnt really hold much water. maybe decades ago, before man got his fingerprints all over this plant, you could think that way. Im not saying its 100%, Im just saying its something to take into account. thats all.

 

[cosmicboss]

no, thats not even in the slightest bit what Im saying. Im saying when u take something natural and change it thru years of manipulation, selective breeding, and growing it artificially indoors, statements like "in nature the plant does this, or that, so in my indoor grow Ill do this" doesnt really hold much water. maybe decades ago, before man got his fingerprints all over this plant, you could think that way. Im not saying its 100%, Im just saying its something to take into account. thats all.

All should know that difference, but in these plants its still very small i can tell you that. This is weed, it can survive almost everywhere where is soil, warm, water and sun

 

[TruthOrLie]

All I know is defoliation turned my 3 inch cola into a 6 inch one. Defoliation WINS

 

[huntingbb]

All I know is defoliation turned my 3 inch cola into a 6 inch one. Defoliation WINS

wait.. your on board now? lol.. life is good

 

[laylow]

defoliation is necessary for some strains in some growing situations!!!

I.E. Blue cheese 1 week veg, 25 per sqm no defo 12oz defo 16oz...

 

[dramamine]

Sun or light bulb it doesn't matter. The leaves provide shade which is a safe haven from the destructive forces of wind and high heat... which I have an abundance of with my fans and lights in a small space.

I look at my exposed trichomes after removing the large fans and now I'm scared to get them even half as close as I would when they had large shading fan leaves to protect the actual item I'm trying to harvest: not large nugs, but quality trichomes.

I guess if you just want to add weight to charge people more for medicine which is missing the actual medicinal qualities, then this technique has applications.

Don't worry everyone, this statement has nothing to do with how plants and trichomes actually react to light. The difference in the trichs will just be that there will be more of them... Shockingly, plants and buds like the increased light!

 

[huntingbb]

Don't worry everyone, this statement has nothing to do with how plants and trichomes actually react to light. The difference in the trichs will just be that there will be more of them... Shockingly, plants and buds like the increased light!

heh, i'm betting on it. In my setup no bud should ever be able to get further than 28" in one direction and 36" in the other.. going to defol 3-3.5 weeks in - i strip em in veg monthly or so... goes with the cutting

 

[Ember1]

I would have to agree with you, TicalionStalion.

I could use the same situation with corals. I keep reef aquariums and wild caught corals are VERY light demanding and very sensitive. However, with "cloning" by fragging pieces over many years, these corals have adapted to artificial aquarium life, i.e. water flow, temperature swings, Ph fluctuation, synthetic salt, artificial lighting etc. What once required the sun and a perfect environment to survive are now being grown under a 250w metal halide in very artificial conditions and flourish.

I would have to say the same goes for these plants like you have mentioned.