Defficiency or Nute/ PH lockout Help...

[HookaHittaH]

Hello all, I have had this Grand Daddy Purple plant outside for around 3 weeks. I noticed a small amount of PM on her and sprayed with baking soda mixed with water. I did this around 3 times. I held back on water to try to dry things out a bit and slow down any PM that might be still there. The PM seems to went away and now i have this problem. these plants were on a light feeding of Miracle Grow tomato for the first week - 2 weeks. it was a lil less than half strength. Then i got some Bloom nutes from a fellow grower. I dont know the exact NPK ratios, but i will post what its called and what the ratio is soon when i talk to him. I think i nute burned them cus i mixed the bloom nutes in a 2 liter bottle and split this 1 - 2 liter bottle of bloom nutes with both plants. then around 5 days later i hit them again with the same strength of nutes and only split 1 - 2 liter bottle of nutes between the two plants. In this time i did not follow up with any other water. i think i should have split a 2 liter of just plain water after i hit them with the nutes. Yesterday i flushed each plant with 2- 2 liters of water each to try to cure this problem. i will update some pics in a few days to their progress. anyone with help would be greatly appreciated.
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How long has this problem been going on? around 2 weeks
What STRAIN are you growing? Grand Daddy Purple
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Clone
What is the age of your plants? 2 months
How Tall are the plants? A little bit above 2 feet
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?Beginning of flower
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)LST
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)1 plant per pot. 3 gallon pot
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)Super soil no other additives.
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*Miracle grow tomato . 1/2 strength every watering for 2 weeks. watered about 1 time per week. then hit them with the bloom nutes 1 time and 2nd time 5 days after.
How often are you watering? once per week sometimes a few days earlier.
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? last feeding 4 days ago. i was feeding every watering.
What size bulb are you using? the big light in the sky ha
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) It has been a lil high humidity lately. no rain the whole time they have been out though.
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 65-73 degrees F. in the day. Low 40s- mid 50s at night
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? watered when they were pretty dry. maybe too dry
Is your water HARD or SOFT? A little hard.
What water are you using? Tap water
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? Cloned prior to being put outside to bud.
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? Baking soda and water mixture for PM. Nothing else
Are plant's infected with pest's? Not that i have seen.


Sick leaves.



The affected plant. 2 weeks prior to showing these problems.

 

[HerbGlaze]

Hmm this is weird. I think it could be a minor nitrogen defiency.. miracle grow.. I really wouldnt use those nutrients they are alright but Id get better nutrients.
Miracle Grow isnt very reliable.
I also have a queston someone please answer..
Should I worry about PH of Bottled Water or no?

 

[HookaHittaH]

HerbGlaze - thanks for the response. yeah i know Miracle is the best idea but thats all i had. I gave it to them cus i know they were not getting to much nutes prior to me getting the plant. I just wanted it to help out durring the strech faze of budding. None of the leaves are yellowing on the plant though. Do you guys think i should still hit them with a light dose of Miracle for a few more weeks to cure this problem? If you notice in the pics some of the smaller leaves on the new growth turn darker colored green then wither back. It almost looks like a fungus but i dont think that is whats wrong.

 

[m@rg]

low 40s-50s is noooo good for your ladies ,leads to all kind of problems
they say u must keep temps roughly at 68f at night

thats just a tip
im sure others will chime in to help

 

[HookaHittaH]

M@rg - I know the temps havent been ideal. Some days are warmer than others. If i had a green house I'd be in the clear. Its the risk im taking to go for a spring crop in my location. Maybe the dips of the low temps is my main problem...

I talked to the grower that gave me the nutes today. He gave me the name and ratios on the nutes. It reads : S
hultz Bloom Plus , with Iron , Mag , Zinc.
Ratio : 10 - 60 - 10

That is what i hit them with 2 times an didnt follow up with more water to wash it down. I think this nute burned them. My plants seem to be looking a lot better today. I think the flush i gave them is helping out. I only saw a few leaves that were dying out. they looked a lil greened up too. ha. Anyone still have an idea of what happened to the leaves though?

 

[Max21]

perhabs transplant in a bigger container...

 

[m@rg]

if u are doing it stealth style,and u cant get ur ladies into the warmth in the night cycle
then ull just have to grin and bear it
but first u must get a ph tester and test ur feed and run off , and get us a reading
without one we/ur kinda in the dark still

 

[HookaHittaH]

Max21 - Ive thought about putting both my plants in bigger pots. I don't have any pots that are bigger. I think putting them in a bigger one would give up the stealth of my plants. However the GDP doesn't stretch the much in flower thats why i haven't really opted for a bigger pot. Thanks for the suggestion though, ill keep it in mind.

M@rg - I am doing this grow stealth style and thus the plants have to take whatever conditions mother nature provides. The days are pretty warm and they get sun all day. the nights are what i think is stunting them a little bit. I would think the colder temps would help them kick into bud a little more but maybe not. Ill try to get a PH reading on the water coming out the pots soon. For now I'm just gonna hit them with water a few more times. They were looking good today. I'm on a hunch that its a nute burn problem....

Thanks everyone that has responded.

 

[Guest]

neut burn is one problem

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya, those are burned leaves bro, flush your plants out a bit, MG is good if you use it correctly

Normally you want to use no more than 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of water of the tomato plant food......

I would use 2x the amount of water to the size of bag/pot you are using.... to flush her out correctly.

 

[HookaHittaH]

Octodiem and Mynamestitch, thanks the reponses. I flushed the plants again today. they Look a little greened up. Still a few more leaves suffering from the burn though too... Im just gonna keep flushing them and hitting them with half strength of Phospho Load. It helps kick your plants into bud. Anyone else tried this? The NPK ratio is 0.3 - 0.7 - 0.1 Ive used this before on plants and have had hairs kick out in one day ha. Ill update in a few days with progress pics.


Phospho Load

 

[MynameStitch]

AS long as you did a proper flush you should not need to keep doing so, doing that will cayse a lot of problems...... so just flush real good once for now.

Yes, a lot of times the burn will slightly progress and then stop since the damage was already being done before flushing so the damage will stay damaged, just look for it to stop spreading to other areas that was not affected.

 

[HookaHittaH]

Thanks for the info Stitch. Yeah the plants seem to be looking better everyday. Do you think i should remove any leave i see that are starting to die back from the nute burn? Or just leave them untill the look almost all the way dead. Will the plant still use up nutrients in the dyeing leaves? Im goin to try to get some pics up today of the ladies.

 

[MynameStitch]

only remove them if most of the leaves have been taken over by brown/blackish.... if it still has enough green, keep it on the plant until most of the leave has been used up.

 

[HookaHittaH]

Thanks for the reply Stitch. Ill do that then. takes them awhile to get decayed that much. Here's pics of her today. she seems to be doing better. Shes kicked out a lot of branches. Can't wait to see some buds

 

[MynameStitch]

Nice!!!!! Gotta love them canopy pics, makes ya look like you lie in a jungle full of pot plants

I am sure she will recover just fine! Make sure ya post some bud pics!

 

[HookaHittaH]

For sure Stitch. Ill keep an eye on them and see if anything gets worse. They seem to be on the rebound for now. Ill post some pics of the buds when they start to get a lil bigger.
Thanks everyone that contributed to this thread.

 

[HookaHittaH]

Whats up guys.
I just thought Id update you guys on some of the progress of my plant troubles. The previous nute burned leaves are pretty much all gone. She seems to be chugging right along. I had a PM problem that I cured with baking soda and water. Every time I would see more showing up I would spray the hell out of her. Temps have been a little warmer as of late and I haven't noticed it coming back. I will keep my fingers crossed and eyes pealed for it though. We had a few days of colder temps which made her turn purple a little bit. I cant wait till shes done though. Ill post some pics when i end up chopping her. Keep it OverGrown everyone.


Lil Side Branch Action.


Leaves changing color. MMMM... ha