Dear diary, 12-12 from seedling.

[CocoNut 420]

The pure indica don't react so well to 12/12 from day 1 because they stay really short and produce small amounts of buds, I've had some type of Bubba Kush I tried from seed in 12/12 and it made only 6g of buds and about 2/3 of this weight of sugary leaves to make some hash, it's a small return from 1 plant and you can't really stick too many of them together because their leaves are so wide, they overlap each other making shadow and water droplets who can make bud rot. That's why I prefer to grow plants with more sativa blood, it allows them to grow enough to produce decent amounts, on average in a 10L pot of soil, I can harvest +/-30-40g by plant, that's good enough for me without veg time. Plants with more indica are more in the 20/30g range, still acceptable when you pay less electricity to grow.

Thank you, can we tell by looking at young plants which are going to grow suitably judging from the leaf/structure, I've paid more attention this time on the leaf type/shape but there's not a lot to go on tbh.

A lot of what I read says 50/50 hybrids but some will grow nicely others less so, I'm wondering how do I know what's what, like how do you pick suitable strains for 12-12.

 

[oldmaninbc]

Thank you, can we tell by looking at young plants which are going to grow suitably judging from the leaf/structure, I've paid more attention this time on the leaf type/shape but there's not a lot to go on tbh.
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A lot of what I read says 50/50 hybrids but some will grow nicely others less so, I'm wondering how do I know what's what, like how do you pick suitable strains for 12-12.

Yeah, I would not grow short broadleaf strains in 12/12. Not always easy figuring a new system out but I think your right when you say there needs to be a sativa aspect to it. You either need someone with experience clue you in or do a lot of grows & research and that takes time. Maybe a bit of both will come your way and get you where you want to be. I don't have the urge to experiment with things as I did when younger. It's fun to watch others do it.

 

[Rexel]

Thank you, can we tell by looking at young plants which are going to grow suitably judging from the leaf/structure, I've paid more attention this time on the leaf type/shape but there's not a lot to go on tbh.
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A lot of what I read says 50/50 hybrids but some will grow nicely others less so, I'm wondering how do I know what's what, like how do you pick suitable strains for 12-12.

How high and even temperature you're able to run and keep will decide how well 12-12 will work for indica dom. I have some 50/50 looking plants and some more sativa leaning currently growing and I haven't seen any negatives going from 18-6 in terms of rate of growth.

I think they more or less have the same requirements either way(12-12 or 18-6) but some strain for sure can handle lower temps better than others but that goes for both Sativa and Indica dom.

 

[kro-magnon]

Thank you, can we tell by looking at young plants which are going to grow suitably judging from the leaf/structure, I've paid more attention this time on the leaf type/shape but there's not a lot to go on tbh.
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A lot of what I read says 50/50 hybrids but some will grow nicely others less so, I'm wondering how do I know what's what, like how do you pick suitable strains for 12-12.

As long as they are hybrids you're good, some will yield better than other but it's the game, there is no cheat code to find the big yielder before growing them. When the plants have more indica blood they have really broad leaves, you can't miss them when you see them, I don't see any in your pics here. I like to do some 12/12 grows sometimes but it's not the only way to grow I use, I like to make clones to replicate a plant I liked, you can take clones from the plants when they start to bloom and grow the best in the following runs;

 

[kro-magnon]

How high and even temperature you're able to run and keep will decide how well 12-12 will work for indica dom. I have some 50/50 looking plants and some more sativa leaning currently growing and I haven't seen any negatives going from 18-6 in terms of rate of growth.

I think they more or less have the same requirements either way(12-12 or 18-6) but some strain for sure can handle lower temps better than others but that goes for both Sativa and Indica dom.

From my experience the different temps didn't change the yield of the indicas I've grown in 12/12, in summer or winter their yield was a fraction of the hybrids or sativas.
Indica dominant or pure indica won't react the same way at all, the sativa blood in the hybrids allow them to grow a lot more than the pure indicas.

 

[Rexel]

From my experience the different temps didn't change the yield of the indicas I've grown in 12/12, in summer or winter their yield was a fraction of the hybrids or sativas.
Indica dominant or pure indica won't react the same way at all, the sativa blood in the hybrids allow them to grow a lot more than the pure indicas.

Well pure Indicas yield less than hybrids so there's that. One environment, strain or one grow is not enough data to give a valid or clear answer?

Pure Indica strains are hard to come by but I used to keep a Bubba for years, small nugs, stature and yield. No mystery there..

 

[kro-magnon]

Well pure Indicas yield less than hybrids so there's that. One environment, strain or one grow is not enough data to give a valid or clear answer?

Pure Indica strains are hard to come by but I used to keep a Bubba for years, small nugs, stature and yield. No mystery there..

My point is just temps high temps won't help indica to yield more

 

[Artistick Seeds]

PCK Males directly 12/12

PCK Females 12/12

Some have stretched to seek light because they were numerous and tight. The production is not extravagant, but the quality is still there.

Usually I give the indicas 2 weeks of growth before 12/12, but when I have no more space in the growroom, or I have too many seeds to start I put them directly in narrow and deep pots for roses, under 12 hours of light. I compensate for the low production by more plants per m2.

As @kro-magnon mentioned above, you have to be careful with mold, because the leaves touch and sweat on each other. But I find that the game is worth it.

To put 9 plants per m2 with indicas you have to give them 4 to 6 weeks of growth depending on their vigor. I put 16 to 25 per m2 without losing time in growth, I have more plants to choose the ones I like. Sometimes 36 plants on 1m20 by 1m20, but it's a mess and a bit hard to manage.

In my case, 12/12 is good especially for selection on a larger number of individuals, but for simple production, for indicas, I would favor 9 plants in 11 liter pots with 6 weeks of growth, or 16 plants in 6 liter pots with 4 weeks of growth.

Fewer plants generally mean fewer problems, more ease but less pleasure too.

I find that direct 12/12 allows you to better see the differences between individuals, we can better measure the stretch, the nutrient needs, because there is less substrate, so we can easily spot the greedy plants and the more frugal ones.

Sorry for this long post, which I hope is not too boring.

 

[Artistick Seeds]

My point is just temps high temps won't help indica to yield more

I totally agree, at least with the 12/12 method

 

[mack 10]

I've been doing other bits and pieces I've not had a chance to note, exo clone, at the time I was waiting on another exo clone to root but I felt vulnerable with only one

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Iirc it was 9/10 days later it'd rooted
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I've another exo vegging from the original 1st clone that's for flowering next.
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It's 1 of 3 plants in the bigger pots.

Blueberry muffin, you might remember it from a while back?
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I've been trimming and defoliating in a bid to keep it compact.
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It's difficult to be sure but I think so?
I've nothing to gauge them against what do think?
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Cocoa kush potted 7/10 days ago
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I'm aiming to get a good root ball on 1x exo, 1x lcg and 1x cocoa kush that'll give them a good start this time it should be interesting.

It'd crossed my mind to tie some plants down, it seems a shame to waste the option with fems, thing I'm most concerned about there is it having an effect on the flowering time...naturally I'd like more but not if its going to cost more time?
Hmm? I suppose the only way to know is to try it, ok I'm expecting bigger plant = longer to finish?

Take it easy folk's

Exo as in exodus cheese?

 

[mack 10]

Looked back and found the.answer.
Exo Blockbuster...
That one of your own crosses?

 

[Persianfarmer]

Hello folk's, I'm just finishing a crop and starting another crop so it's a good time to start a diary and share some pics of my current crop.

Gorilla glue
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Blueberry twist
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Cheese dipz
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Fruity pebbles
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Bluchi v3
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Lemony cherry gelato
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Bluchi v3
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Exodus

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Family photo
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I've prepared pots for new seeds to go in so hopefully I'll get that done today, tbh they should've been started a few weeks back so they coincide with my crop drying just as they're revealing their sex, it's still a work in progress.

Coco, mineral salts, autopots and dtw

Hiya Buddy! Excellent work! Let us know how are they smoking

 

[CocoNut 420]

Looked back and found the.answer.
Exo Blockbuster...
That one of your own crosses?

Hey bud, yes I crossed exo with blockbuster buster.
I've a pic here of the offspring and the mum.
Exo/bb

Exo

A couple of others I'm preparing
Cocoa Kush

Lemon cherry gelato

I've since tied down exo/bb I'll post some pics this evening.
Are you a big cheese fan?

Have a nice weekend

 

[k0rps]

Very nice looking cross so far @CocoNut420 digging its vigor and leaf shape/patterns of the exo x bb all the best~

 

[oldmaninbc]

Hey bud, yes I crossed exo with blockbuster buster.
I've a pic here of the offspring and the mum.
Exo/bb
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Exo
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A couple of others I'm preparing
Cocoa Kush
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Lemon cherry gelato
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I've since tied down exo/bb I'll post some pics this evening.
Are you a big cheese fan?

Have a nice weekend

What are those red objects called your using for spreading the branches?

 

[CocoNut 420]

What are those red objects called your using for spreading the branches?

Hey bud they're listed as "Bending Clip Plant Stem Training Clip for Low Stress Training Plant Training clips" fleabay

They could do with a lug or a recess on underside to prevent them falling off, don't get me wrong they woek much better than I expected but they're not secure as such, a twist of tie wire would put that right though where/if needed

Hey @k0rps I appreciate the kind words bud, how's life treating you?

 

[CocoNut 420]

I've been keeping things moving along at any opportunities, today/tonight I got my gorilla glue tidied up.

I removed all the thinner shoots leaving only the thicker ones then re potted it into 100% perlite.

I'm not that happy with the rooting from my autopots so I'm working on improving them?

My exo I trimmed the wispy shoots from what will be the lower and made room for the thicker branches.

I'm letting the cocoa kush and lemon cherry gelato keep all their growth for now, I think more growth/mass encourages rooting below to sustain said mass.

The seedlings are starting to catch on now.

And two I tied yesterday.

They're 5wks old tomorrow/Sunday, I'm expecting vigorous growth going into wk6, they're starting to move along

Have a nice weekend everyone

 

[k0rps]

Life is going alright this side, getting showered in lots of pollen in the area, might turn into a tree by end of spring . How about yourself?

Nice, implementing some different training techniques from your last cycle, should be a great grow to watch.

Cheers!

 

[Rexel]

I totally agree, at least with the 12/12 method

I think you guys are confusing "12/12" with "12/12 gas lantern" doing 12 hours on, 5.5 hours off, 1 hour on and 5.5 hours off and repeat the cycle? That's what OP is doing and mean by the thread title. Running lights on between 30 min to 1 hour in the middle of lights out.

The difference between 18 hours and 12 hours won't make a difference in the world since you can veg as long as you want with indica dom doing common 12/12 gas lantern light schedule.

That's why I state and mean that it's not the light schedule but the environment that decide how well an indica dominant strain grows under 12 hours of light from start to finish with the same light intensity and DLI as 18/6 and later flipping to 12/12.

 

[Artistick Seeds]

I think you guys are confusing "12/12" with "12/12 gas lantern" doing 12 hours on, 5.5 hours off, 1 hour on and 5.5 hours off and repeat the cycle? That's what OP is doing and mean by the thread title. Running lights on between 30 min to 1 hour in the middle of lights out.

The difference between 18 hours and 12 hours won't make a difference in the world since you can veg as long as you want with indica dom doing common 12/12 gas lantern light schedule.

That's why I state and mean that it's not the light schedule but the environment that decide how well an indica dominant strain grows under 12 hours of light from start to finish with the same light intensity and DLI as 18/6 and flipping to 12/12.

I just said that a 100% indica plant, which is put directly from the germ under 12h of light, whatever the growing parameters will not produce much...