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DEA Secretly OKs Killer Quantities of Oxy and Morphine
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What else did you expect them to do with all the poppy's the troops were guarding in Afghanistan.
This is my experience as well, pain management centers treat you like a criminal that has to constantly prove their innocence. I've dealt with c-spine injuries for twenty three years, and recently moved out of state. Nearly impossible to find a doctor willing to take on new pain management patients besides the p.m. doctors, which there are few of within a two or three hour drive. I'm in a med state with a rec but was still about to be booted out for testing positive for bud if I tested again. Got newly injured enough that my primary took over prescribing within the month, saving me from p.m. douche bags. He's paranoid like most dr.s that will actually write, but he will write me three different opioid scripts, one for each of the next three months. He only does this because we moved a couple hours away. Probably wont last but he's been doing it for about three years.
Opioid over and under prescribing is a major health issue that is never properly addressed if your a patient with a real need. Another huge issue in my opinion is the lack of discussion of the danger of accidental overdose. In 23 years and 6-7 doctors, accidental death has never been discussed. I've taken timed released meds, but mostly have alternated between OxyContin and morphine. From experience, you only have to take your prescribed dose an hour or two early to o.d., happened more times than I'd like to admit. Once at a stoplight in a major city, also woke up on a ventilator before.
A lot of the above issues were known to a doctor I was going to, especially the o.d's. Didnt stop him from prescribing morphine to a close relative that didnt need it really, and that relative died within 24 hours of an accidental overdose.
I don't believe in prohibition for any drug. Opiates are addictive and dangerous, but sometimes they're the best option in life. I hate them personally having been through withdrawal. I don't want to take them again for the rest of my life unless I really need them. I remember what it was like to really need them.
It's ridiculous that our government would ban something harmless like weed while making oxycontin available. I just think it should all be available for adults, all of it. Every drug out there. Prohibition doesn't stop drug addiction. Prohibition has destroyed more lives than drugs ever have.
It's ridiculous that our government would ban something harmless like weed while making oxycontin available. I just think it should all be available for adults, all of it. Every drug out there. Prohibition doesn't stop drug addiction. Prohibition has destroyed more lives than drugs ever have.
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Usually the last option. Should be. Opiates r fucked and I hope all the fakeass docs who prescribe that shit needlessly dy a slow painful death and then go to hell.
Thx weird!! right around 2013 is when I got prescribed a heroine derivative for sleep aid. Shoukda went back there and made him chug that whole bottle....
Thx weird!! right around 2013 is when I got prescribed a heroine derivative for sleep aid. Shoukda went back there and made him chug that whole bottle....
In my State
In my State
I have to go to my doctor EVERY month to get a hard copy script that could be stolen. No refills ever.
In my State
I have to go to my doctor EVERY month to get a hard copy script that could be stolen. No refills ever.
The way I feel is this.If there are 99 people abusing it and one that is not abusing but getting life changing relief from it,that fine by me.Let the people junkify themselves and let the people in true agony get there relief.Something happened down here in Florida recently that was fuckin cruel to say the least.May Pam Bondi burn in hell forever.EDIT By the way my methadone tablets went from 35 cents a piece to 2 dollars a piece overnight.Pharmacists are hard drug dealers with white smocks.May they also burn in hell
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It would be interesting information, indeed.
There is always going to be a population of people will abuse anything that will alter their consciousness, and there will always be a group of people willing to feed that drive. From Sterno to toad-licking, bath salts to heroin, some people are going to do anything within reach in order to escape reality. As far as I'm concerned, the majority of the people who are abusing lethal products are unreachable - they will continue with their quest until they succeed in killing themselves.
To me, it is absurd and a travesty to penalize legitimate patients in order to try and divert this group away. The pills that have worked very well for me for a number of years were removed from the market this year, and a new, even more expensive version was introduced with an "anti-abuse formula". Apparently the pills were being altered and stripped of their time-release formulation, and then injected rather than taken orally. The new version has some magic bullshit added to make them non-injectable. Does anyone really think that this is going to stop junkies from being junkies?
Fuck 'em, let Darwin have his way.....
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Think the new ones dont disolve like the old ones, may have heard that or dreamed it so im a little unsure haha...
You are exactly right about there always being a small percentage of abusers. People for the most part didn't wake up one day and say, "You know what? I don't want OxyContin no more, that shit is weak. I know! I want to go buy some heroin from some sketchy dude in the sleaziest part of the city and stick a needle full of it into my veins." They came to that point by the government making it harder then going to the sketchy dude to get it. All the really wanted was to keep getting the relief they had become accustom to. They weren't saved, their lives made better by the sudden tight restriction on narcotics.
What really pisses me off is that by these restrictions it's mostly in the hands of the pain management doctors who the government, thru threats of revoking their license to do business have turned all the doctors still prescribing narcotics into enforcers of drug laws. The doctors do this by holding your narcotics ransom for urine that is only dirty from the stuff they prescribe. I'm fairly sure for legal purposes the urines are well documented and accessible by certain branches of the government. A doctor operating in that framework is violating the Hippocratic Oath in several different ways, breech of privacy, operating in ways harmful to the patient, refusing treatment (even though it is thru threat of losing licenses), putting himself before the needs of the patient.
What complicates things even more is pain is relative. What may be tolerable just using over the counter meds for relief for one person, might have another person incapacitated with debilitating pain.
Wow Hempcat that freaked me out reading it.Maybe I misunderstood but my pain mgmt. doctor wouldn't play that shit.The DEA says change this and that and that's what he does.I think I'm confused about the part about the pain docs holding your narcotics ransom for urine that's what they prescribe.I dont get that bro but I'm very not use to alcohol.But damn can I spell righteous or what.
Okay to be fair I worded that a bit dramatically but it is essentially what they do. Technically there is no need for them to test for other drugs. Their focus should just be on pain meds, to determine if you are taking them properly. Some places in my area will even randomly have you bring in your pill bottle so they can confirm you're taking them at the rate they prescribe. Woe unto you if you have more or less pills in your bottle then you should have. They test for other illegal drugs though and if you come up dirty they'll take you're pain pills and replace them with generic anti-inflamitories no stronger then Advil or Tylenol. Like Celebrex for example. So that's the hostage angle if you want pain relief you better follow their program and if you don't they black list you and any other pain management place in the immediate area will also refuse you narcotics. Now if all people who used illegal drugs were abusing the system and not really needing their pain meds then I'd be more forgiving but they simply aren't all like that. Especially with Cannabis which being a fairly benign drug many use it as part of their social customs. In many cases you could argue that the pain management clinics are asking them to choose between relief or their friends by expecting them to abstain from Cannabis.
I'm speaking from experience here. both me and my wife were taking pain meds for years for chronic conditions all with verifiable x-rays, surgical records, MRI's etc. There was no denying that we both had conditions that normally would be treated by even stronger pain meds then what we were taking. Our doctor moved to a new field of medicine and when she left the office we were patients of stopped handling any pain management. We didn't like any of the other doctors there and so we started looking for a new doctor only to find that all the doctors accepting new patients were also referring pain management clinics. So we went to the pain management clinic feeling confident they would continue us on what we were on given our medical histories. For me they claimed to find thc metabolites in my urine even though I hand had anything to smoke in approximately 4 to 5 months which I have a hard time believing unless their testing levels are less forgiving then even parole and probation cut off limits. Most places realize that marijuana stays in the system for a very long time and use a higher cut off limit that most people can clear in 30 days to 2 months at the most. Anyway because oof the thc in my urine the refused to give me narcotics and instead substituted it with Meloxicam which is a non steroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) typically used for osteoarthritis (OA) and rheumatoid arthritis (RA). Neither of which I have. When I tried seeing him the a second time to show him that my urine should be cleaner because another month had passed without me having any Cannabis. So they should see a drop in my levels, which the doctor did admit had come up clean the 2nd more recent time. Then he went on to say that because of the first time being dirty though his mind was made up and that he couldn't in good conscience every give me anything stronger then what he was giving. That's him putting his needs ahead of the needs of a patience. What I do in my spare time is no reflection on him and therefore should not affect his conscience. He then said that frankly he didn't understand why I was still coming to see him. So here I am nearly two years later still without pain meds as a result it's much more difficult to keep up with my chores and yardwork nor am I able to stick to any regular exercise due to many days when the pain is too much. I tried going to other pain docs within 100 miles and they all refuse me any narcotics. The next closest pain management doc is more then 300 miles away and I'll be damned if I'm going to drive that far every month to get a script and that's assuming they even do give me narcotics, I'm not sure how far this black listing business goes.
I cant hide my disappointment at the absolute absence of any Pam Bashers here.If your grandpa was suffering because of the bitch,I think there would be a little more response.Believe me,its not just dope fiends and fakers I'm talking about here,And to top it off she has to be so damn good lookin, the scorpion.
In my area the new OxyContin formulation which makes it nearly impossible to get it to liquefy enough to load into a syringe has stopped the OxyContin epidemic in its tracks.. Almost no one stopped using opiates they just switched to heroin or perc 30s which can be easily injected.
I also wonder where all these pharma drugs go as legitimate pain patients seem to have to jump through hundreds of hoops to get a script..
N meanwhile in Florida they just hand me out like candy as long as u can pay cash.
I also wonder where all these pharma drugs go as legitimate pain patients seem to have to jump through hundreds of hoops to get a script..
N meanwhile in Florida they just hand me out like candy as long as u can pay cash.
