David Grusch - Real Deal UFOs In Gov Possession?

[Lehmi]

if it was aliens it seems pretty low tech for an advanced civilization to come all this way to just be parading around and flashing lights

but maybe you are right and they want to tell us something?
what message are they sending us?

so like what do the ufos say?

These important questions invite reflection and philosophizing. A feast for free spirits with lots of imagination!

From observation, the researchers know that over 95% of sightings are conventional and easily explained. The last 5% are difficult, assuming that at least 3/4 of them are of a psychic nature, there are still a few percent that we cannot yet explain. Let's stick to these cases and ignore the fakes and forgeries.


Assuming we were the visitors and wanted to prepare a less advanced civilization for possible contact with all of humanity, how would we intelligently proceed?
Let's pretend we are highly evolved beings, I know that's still difficult for us.

Spoiler: Looong txt... tooo looong text ;-)

So if we are indeed more advanced, we have factored in the psychological socio-cultural impact on such a tight-knit reality belief system as exists on Earth. So we don't want to cause mass panic, and that would be guaranteed to happen if we were to take a “take us to your leaders” approach out of nowhere and without preparation.

So we have to be more careful, but we still can't make omelettes without breaking the shell. So there is always some kind of confusion and overload for the general public.
It's best to use conspicuous but familiar, harmless appearances and mix them with seemingly illogical (physical) behavior.

The seemingly endless flying, flashing and untouchable drones are ideally chosen for this.
It's not too confusing or even frightening for most people today to see this, but they still have to think about what exactly is going on.

It is a modern riddle, it invites me to question our “high-tech” world once again, and to consider how it is with our perception. As we all know, this is very limited without aids for our physical senses, and we all have certain mental blockages and sound barriers that we can only overcome with consciousness evolution.

It can be the trigger to overcome our limitations!

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Let's go back to us humans.

We now know that our governments / administrations worldwide, or parts of them, know much more about the phenomena and want to conceal what they have learned so far about the UAPs.
(Let's assume they do this out of habit to protect us from being overwhelmed so we don't have to lose ourselves in an unnecessary scenario of condemnation).

Spoiler: Further guesses

As a species, we have now reached a point where we cannot go any further unless we expand our understanding of reality and our self-image. If we don't do our homework, we will bomb ourselves back into the Stone Age (again?). So it's quite possible that our cosmic relatives will be happy to give us a nudge.

It's also fair to ask whether they are extraterrestrials at all!
If I can keep my existence invisible to the human eye, it is quite possible that they have always been here and perhaps helped in the background in critical situations without hindering the learning process.

The question of the message of such UAP-actions is the central issue for me. What does it say to me personally, without me needing someone to categorize it for me?
How does it make me feel?
Am I in the paralyzing fear as we have been taught?
Or do I see other opportunities to learn and have other experiences?

and why dident they just send a txt?

They are currently working on Bitcoin so that they can pay the bill for 8.2 billion text messages on our cell phones.

 

[Lehmi]

PS:
Here are the much more intelligent and mature conclusions of a recognized scientist, Christopher Mellon, on the subject of the social impact of disclosure.

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[H e d g e]

the social impact of disclosure.

We don’t need a common enemy to unite humanity, we need landrace weed.
It had that effect.
It says a lot about the people orchestrating this mess that this is what they think is necessary to achieve global unity.

 

[Lehmi]

We don’t need a common enemy to unite humanity

I agree, friends are so much better!

 

[igrowone]

so like what do the ufos say?
/please summarize it and add links after

not words but simple signals, such as 2 flashes from a light may get 2 flashes back
I'll get back on links, such events are rare

 

[pop_rocks]

@Lehmi @H e d g e @igrowone
great discussion fellows and at this point all anyone can do is speculate

does the gov know more about this then they are willing to admit, most likely
but that is sop for certain groups and i except that the general public donsent need to be in on all the details all the time (mostly for opsec)
but these are not dark ops carried out undercover, they parading around like holiday floats over major air ports and cities like some kind of stunt , or message
disclosure as in knowing its for fact real?! i dont know if most people are ready for that
/heck we still have people who say we have never set foot on the moon
revealing a foreign world (aliens) who are more advanced than us to the public would turn things on its ear
/i for one would welcome our alien overlords and build temples and worship them like gods
i agree lehmi that a lot of the 5%ers are simple cases of misidentification or poor observations and without extraordinary evidence i find it hard to reach extraordinary conclusions
the thing with simple signals are how do you know they are intentional?
morse code is a simple set of signals but it follows a pattern, but that assumes you understand the patterns

 

[igrowone]

@Lehmi @H e d g e @igrowone
great discussion fellows and at this point all anyone can do is speculate

does the gov know more about this then they are willing to admit, most likely
but that is sop for certain groups and i except that the general public donsent need to be in on all the details all the time (mostly for opsec)
but these are not dark ops carried out undercover, they parading around like holiday floats over major air ports and cities like some kind of stunt , or message
disclosure as in knowing its for fact real?! i dont know if most people are ready for that
/heck we still have people who say we have never set foot on the moon
revealing a foreign world (aliens) who are more advanced than us to the public would turn things on its ear
/i for one would welcome our alien overlords and build temples and worship them like gods
i agree lehmi that a lot of the 5%ers are simple cases of misidentification or poor observations and without extraordinary evidence i find it hard to reach extraordinary conclusions
the thing with simple signals are how do you know they are intentional?
morse code is a simple set of signals but it follows a pattern, but that assumes you understand the patterns

I have one case in mind, believe it was in Brazil, still digging for original source
the person was a flight controller as I recall
they got to flashing runway lights and the UFO would reply every time with the same pattern
I've seen a few other accounts of similar behavior

now to does the government know?
I don't think they know much, I think government's response is based on history/tribal knowledge
they know what's worked to pacify the nervous in the past
check out the 1952 UFO 'flap' over Washington DC in 1952
probably the biggest UFO period in our history till now
very similar to today in many respects

 

[Lehmi]

i agree lehmi that a lot of the 5%ers are simple cases of misidentification or poor observations

The misidentifications and misinterpretations are already included in the 95% of reports that can be cleared up conventionally. The remaining 5% elude normal assessment in these cases, the phenomenon cannot be explained by our conventional view of the world.

/heck we still have people who say we have never set foot on the moon

I find these excursions and mingling with other distant topics difficult if the intention is to have a reasonably serious discussion.

Especially when it comes to these adventurous stories that serve to ridicule the whole matter from the outset. I therefore suggest sticking to the main topic, which seems exciting enough to me.

the thing with simple signals are how do you know they are intentional?
morse code is a simple set of signals but it follows a pattern, but that assumes you understand the patterns

So far there are no findings about a Morse code. The flashing signal lights are similar to those we know from airplanes and helicopters.
Do you have any concrete evidence that would make a Morse code message seem plausible?

but these are not dark ops carried out undercover, they parading around like holiday floats over major air ports and cities like some kind of stunt , or message
disclosure as in knowing its for fact real?! i dont know if most people are ready for that

The obviousness of this action is truly remarkable! Whoever does this wants a lot of attention.

I just heard that Congress is currently planning to tighten the law on drones, but I only heard it on a podcast. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

Whenever the administration wants to achieve efforts that massively restrict the rights of citizens, the strong suspicion of psy-ops is not far away...

So the field of causation is still open.

What is also clear, however, is that technology is in use that is unknown or only known to very few, and whoever controls it has far more capabilities than the officials would like.

 

[Lehmi]

now to does the government know?
I don't think they know much, I think government's response is based on history/tribal knowledge
they know what's worked to pacify the nervous in the past

Could it be that there is also a disagreement as to which authority or authorities are really responsible for the investigation?

If an understaffed police station is overwhelmed with these additional tasks, I find that more than understandable.

Has the public been informed about where and to which authority they can report any relevant information?

 

[igrowone]

here's one example of a light flashing exchange between a UFO and a small plane
search for 'response' in the large document to get to the right spot

THE NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA (NICAP) | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)

www.cia.gov

 

[igrowone]

Could it be that there is also a disagreement as to which authority or authorities are really responsible for the investigation?

If an understaffed police station is overwhelmed with these additional tasks, I find that more than understandable.

Has the public been informed about where and to which authority they can report any relevant information?

could very well be, total information - much of it disinformation? - can be overwhelming

 

[pop_rocks]

@Lehmi
"
So far there are no findings about a Morse code. The flashing signal lights are similar to those we know from airplanes and helicopters.
Do you have any concrete evidence that would make a Morse code message seem plausible?"
no and thats why i think a glitter of light on the horizon is just that
i would posit aliens speak some language we have no idea of and maybe not even be able to replicate

 

[pop_rocks]

could very well be, total information - much of it disinformation? - can be overwhelming

but one of the sightings was over an afb, (sorry for my failing memory) and thats not andy griffith and barney fife

 

[pop_rocks]

@Lehmi
"
I just heard that Congress is currently planning to tighten the law on drones, but I only heard it on a podcast. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

Whenever the administration wants to achieve efforts that massively restrict the rights of citizens, the strong suspicion of psy-ops is not far away..."

i believe it as well they should
if drone activity can interfere with military/ commercial air traffic its become a nuisance and need to be addressed
/oh but its just a prank" will be their defense in a FEDERAL! court
the joke isnt funny anymore

 

[H e d g e]

I agree, friends are so much better!

A common friend is what we need

‘One common claim about democracy is that democracies do not go to war against each other, and it's not a bad inductive generalisation. It rests, however, on a rather deeper Kantian doctrine, he thought that the people never had an interest in fighting each other, and therefore only monarchs caused war.’

 

[Lehmi]

if drone activity can interfere with military/ commercial air traffic its become a nuisance and need to be addressed
/oh but its just a prank" will be their defense in a FEDERAL! court
the joke isnt funny anymore

Given the helplessness of the authorities and the military, the probability that it is just a bad joke by hobbyists is extremely low.

I consider US defenses and their available technology to be among the most advanced in the world. That something unauthorized the size of a small car can fly over restricted areas is normally not possible.



Logically, common droning regulations are inevitable, provided that they protect the freedom of citizens, both in their use and in the protection of people who may be overflowed. And the definition where flying is of course not allowed, such as about nature reserves, foreign private plots, industrial premises and critical institutions of the authorities, military and police. And of course over all airfields and airports, no matter who the operator is.

With us, this is precisely regulated, large and heavy drones need a special drone pilot license. Every drone with a camera and over 250 grams must be registered in the EU and Switzerland. Violations have hard consequences, up to 20,000 CHF or prison and others.

I assume that it is similarly regulated in the United States, isn't it.

 

[igrowone]

@Lehmi
"
So far there are no findings about a Morse code. The flashing signal lights are similar to those we know from airplanes and helicopters.
Do you have any concrete evidence that would make a Morse code message seem plausible?"
no and thats why i think a glitter of light on the horizon is just that
i would posit aliens speak some language we have no idea of and maybe not even be able to replicate

this may be too narrow for all types of communication
you're thinking aliens, the possibilities are much wider
I'm thinking not aliens, at least not in the usual sense
it's not talk but there's a message
and it's a message we don't understand