(Dark) green leaves at harvest time?! Come on guys, stop overfeeding & flush fully

[Guest]

TGT, after awhile this verbage begins to smell like rotten fish. Either YOU know how to grow POT or YOU Don't. It's that damned simple. The Girls that Piss and Moan never took the time to study the art and haven't a clue.

TyStik

 

[evilunclephil]

Wow, can anyone say "big head" or "full of themselves"?

Let it go man, you're not the end all be all of cultivation.

 

[bounty29]

Some people have N in their nutes up until their flush, this attributes to the lush green look so late in flower. My plants are done receiving any form of N 1/3 of the way into flower, and I'll be flushing for at least 2 weeks if not more. This should really let them shine. I can't wait to see the colors they make, I should be able to have temps cool enough to get some extra color in the buds too. I look forward to sharing the colors of fall, should be right around the end of June.

Edit: After reading some of the posts more carefully, I've got a question. You guys talk about plants looking like they don't have enough nitrogen like it's a bad thing. Why? Nitrogen is mainly used for vegetative growth, that's not what we're flowering for. P and K are the important ones during bud production. If I'm wrong please correct me, this is just what I've come to believe. Once the plants are done stretching, they're growing flowers, not leaves.

British_Bulldog - Great topic, I've wondered about this myself but never seen much discussion on it, I look forward to seeing what more people have to say.

This is one of the reasons I've become such a big fan of coco, and hydro in general. You can control what your plant gets, and when. With soil, nutes accumulate over time and you can't control what your plant gets as precisely. Obviously you can grow amazing bud in soil, but I like dealing with solid numbers that I can change in a matter of minutes based on the plants needs.

 

[B.C.]

Zoolander - I'm afraid your plants aren't looking so good - can you see there's a huge difference between the pics above - with your plants, you burnt them at one stage, due to the brown tips and now they look underfed, maybe just lacking nitrogen, but if you're using 2-part nutrients, you need to increase the feed.

You want autumn leaves, not yellow due to underfed. Monitor your nutrient regime next time more closely, and watch the plants carefully for them telling you what they want.


Peace

I have to disagree with this.^^ These plants are too close to the light and are slightly bleached at the tops. If they were under fed the leaves would all be yellow, not jus the tops. Don't mean ta sound like a butthead here, but I think it's important fer others ta learn from. They're still great lookin plant tho! Right on Zoo! later, BC

 

[zoolander]

Its funny you would say that BC, I run my lights around 4 to 5 inches above my plant and even with them being aircooled I dont suffer much heat burn but do get some bleachin and thats with 600hps. Thanx BC because everyone knows I'm not gonna set here and debate things with TY, what would I gain from it and to everyone else just do your thing and as long as you dig it fukk everyone else. Grow on :friends:

 

[B.C.]

Bounty

Bounty

There needs ta be balance of evrything in order for a plant ta grow correctly. Yes, they do use alot less N in flower, but they still need some, and if you run them out to soon all the P and K in the world won't do them any good. They'll jus sit there and turn yellow. Without chloraphyl ( SP? ) nothin's gonna happen. There must be a balance, no matter what phase they're in. I hope this helped. later, BC

 

[friction2k]

Zoolander - I'm afraid your plants aren't looking so good - can you see there's a huge difference between the pics above - with your plants, you burnt them at one stage, due to the brown tips and now they look underfed

^^^^wow i also will have to disagree with this ridiculous claim

IMO burn is just a sign you're pushing the nutes to the max and its time to back down. and i no way i can see how that can negatively effect the potential of a plant.

yes, i can agree with you that less is more when gauging the liking of an unfamiliar strain, but i'd only stop there.

anyways heres some pics, you tell me which ones arnt "looking soo good"


heres an example of the "less is more" theory using THSeed's bubblegum:

first run, i consider under fed but its got those nice autumn leaves you're soo fond of

hes my 2nd, run with a bit extra food:

yes, i can admit a little nute burn but i'll take batch #2


heres a plant of my 91chem x bubblegum, i consider it underfed and nothing to write home about:

heres some "not soo good looking" orig bubblegum(cutting):

and something called Bliss:

you might like this lamsbread, she yellow quite naturally and with ease(maybe a 1week flush?) :

all in all, jiggy and zoo are part of many amazing growers on this website and i see nothing wrong their buds

[edit] oh i forgot to add, crazycomposer has some awesome finished bud pictures! he is deffinately a master of the flushing

 

[bounty29]

There's the numbers I'm running this round, I will be more than happy to share pics at the end. They're still a very lush green right now, one is starting to get a little paler but barely. It's been 1.5-2 weeks so far with no N, so we'll see how things go. If the plants don't do well, I'll change my nutes, I'm not going to use something that doesn't work.


Day 33 Flower

Edit: No reason to get competitive in this thread, this can be a civil discussion. All the buds pictured here are great, we all know how to grow. We're discussing one aspect of growing as a whole and how it affects the end product.

Nice comparisons Friction2k, thanks!

 

[green_grow]

I feel like broken record saying this again but it bares repeating here. In order ta get a good flush you need ta catch the end of the traspiration period. You know, when a plant goes through water so fast in flower and then all of a sudden it stops ? Well ya need ta have em flushed before they do stop. Those green leaves are mostly from havin N still left in them. N is very mobile, so if ya catch the end of the transpiration it's easily flushed. Having a strain dialed in ta know jus when it stops is a big advantage..... Leaf tip burn isn't a bad thing, it's just an indcator that yuv brought the nutes up to max levels. By doing this yer jus doin yer part ta help the plant reach it's full potential, flush right, and it's no big deal. If yer ashes aren't white yer doin somethin wrong. I think most folks know all this already but fer those that don't, there it is... Take care, BC

this is the first time i have read anything regarding the "end of the transpiration period" ... i always thought something was wrong with my plants. thanks for the info B.C.

just goes to show that if you wade through enough rants you can eventually find a useful bit of info.

 

[bounty29]

this is the first time i have read anything regarding the "end of the transpiration period" ... i always thought something was wrong with my plants. thanks for the info B.C.

just goes to show that if you wade through enough rants you can eventually find a useful bit of info.

First time I've ever seen anything mentioned about it

 

[Guest]

I grow in coco, handwatering and flush for 2-3 weeks. My plants don't turn yellow, but they do turn a paler shade of green, seems coco holds a lot of salts, and although I flush my plants once a week (every Sunday) to prevent build-up getting serious, I just don't seem to be able to get plants to suk up every last drop of nutes in the medium and then turn yellow like I could with soil, but the taste and quality of the coco buds is as good as soil if not better!

 

[FarmerTed]

? for British_Bulldog

? for British_Bulldog

You want autumn leaves, not yellow due to underfed.

Could you clarify this statement? I thought that yellowing at the end of flower was due to cutting off nutes and only giving water. This was done to create a condition in which the plant consumed nutes stored in its leaves as a result of being underfed. Am i misunderstanding/missing something?

thanks
FT

 

[TGT]

I grow in coco, handwatering and flush for 2-3 weeks. My plants don't turn yellow, but they do turn a paler shade of green, seems coco holds a lot of salts, and although I flush my plants once a week (every Sunday) to prevent build-up getting serious, I just don't seem to be able to get plants to suk up every last drop of nutes in the medium and then turn yellow like I could with soil, but the taste and quality of the coco buds is as good as soil if not better!

Some strains will not get that 'autumn look' and just go pale. Others will go yellower and in rarer cases some stay green. It just depends on the genetics. But if you give a good flush I find if your plants get pale that is sometimes the best they will do and will still burn clean. Just my opinion on the subject.

TGT

 

[Guest]

^ Answer that first. I have some questions tho! I'm not looking for an argument, I just want some advice from people who are evidently very talented growers.

I grow in soil and use organic ferts (liquid) but still flush for the last week or 2 ... Altho I've read a lot saying u don't need to flush with organics (I figure its jst guna save me fert, which saves me money lol)

Anyway, a few of my leaves go yellow (the good kind, not the def. kind) but not a lot of them. Is this just because of the nutes left in the soil or should I be letting the plants go a bit longer, till more of the leaves turn yellow? - Any advice would be appreciated!

Should I, perhaps, stop feeding them any nutes say, half way through flowering, so they use more of whats in the soil?
I've always gone by the rule that goes: 'Growing with organics is not about feeding the plants, its about feeding the soil' ... It sounds strange but is true wen u think bout it.

Some advice on when to stop feeding, begin flushing etc. when growing with organics would be much appreciated!!!
Also a white widow breeder said u should turn the light off completely for the last 2 weeks of flowering to increase resin production substantially - Anyone think there's any truth to this? The plants are dying at the end of their flowering cycle anyway (coz they're annuals) so its not going to harm them really, but anyone think its actually worth while?

~ British, on the first page u mentioned zoolanders plants look like they're lacking nitrogen ... But its the top leaves that are yellow, doesn't nitrogen deficiency start at the bottom leaves and work its way UP the plant? Or hav I been misinformed? ... It looks more like light bleaching to me ... Not looking for an argument, I jst like these things to be made clear to myself and others reading ~

THANKS in advanced for any input to set me on a path of pot improvementt!
Cheers.

 

[ixnay007]

You're correct about where Nitrogen def. starts, it will always be the oldest leaves, which 99% of the time are the lowest ones.

I get fall colors, but that's just because my mix and ferts and the end of flowering aren't particularly heavy in N... but I'm still experimenting and learning (I'm in no way 100% happy with the results).





British, you can grow here in italy if you want

 

[ethereal]

i will say this about jiggsaw (jiggywhompus)
he is one of the better, more detail oriented growers here.
i am jealous of his grows. definetaly a very knowledgable grower.

p.s. nobodies bubba looks better than his, FACT

jiggy has proven to be a passionate positive member of this community and i respect and thank him for that.
its a labor of love for some people.
for others, its just a labor. they see it as a job and/or just stick with traditional ideas, ignoring constructive criticism(s) due to their big fat egos.

like with any other type of gardening, you get what you put into it.

continuous learning (open-mindedness) is huge in this sport.

just love yer plants and theyll love u back. end of story.

 

[bounty29]

continuous learning (open-mindedness) is huge in this sport.

I never understood why so many people reject new, different, or simply uncommon ideas so strongly.

 

[British_Bulldog]

Well I'm seeing a lot of talk, but no pics like Ty-Stik's.

I agree Ty-Stik was brutal, but seriously, you guys have a lot to learn.

I learnt from the old masters on OG, and from applying those techniques to many many grows.

However, too many newbs here are learning off of each other.

Ever heard the old expression:

The blind leading the blind??


jiggy's were underfed, and not (just bleached) - this can be seen from the lower leaves as well.

friction2k - yours were underfed too. There's a difference between autumn leaves and yours. Autumn leaves die off a lot sooner, and look different (the leaf edges curl, and don't stay straight)


I repeat - study Ty-Stik's first pic, completely re-evaluate your feeding and flushing regime, get your plants DIALLED-IN, and then come back and let's talk.

Some lessons are hard, especially if you've been complimenting each other for so long on how good each other's plants look, but much improvement is needed here.


Until then, get your heads down and start learning guys, because you're way behind the masters.


You've all got some experience, it's clear, but the bar needs to be raised.

 

[perakko]

well im up to hearing some comments about my flushing, i grow in soil with organics, allways try to keep the nutrition levels pretty low as for me the pureness and good taste of herb is superior to the yield. i flush for about 2-3 weeks depending on a strain.

so, here's some pics:









please let me know what you think, and let's hope this thread won't turn in to a huge flameparty...

 

[British_Bulldog]

Well perakko, this pic is more like what you should be aiming for:

This plant looks like it can go another 5 days or so, and by the end of that, the leaves should have autumn'd more, and an almost perfect finish. Good work, and keep on working for a result like Ty-Stik's.


Maybe you could list your feeding and flushing regime to help others understand how you did it?

Note: each plant is different, but another example would be good.


Regarding a flame party, let's party, as long as it's on topic: to make an omelette, you have to crack a few eggs.