Dankwolfs rks breeding project and breeding info discussion

[Dankwolf]

The good thing about testing s1's would be you open up much is what underneath and bring it to light in one fell swoop. There is alot of plants to go through to get this done, wish ya the best Dank. As efficient as you can be will help you greatly in a big project like this. As many of the older breeders know, time is limited for every man.

My experiance with s1s is limmited but the few i have seen and ran did not seem genetically diverse and in the case of the old school rks and the s1 s of it are not displaying the same structure or profile even in the same soiless mix and same lighting (same every thing).


Are saying by makeing s1 s of plants i plan to breed with that it would give me insight to the breeding propertys of the strian before crosses begin?

 

[Tonygreen]

Yes!

Also give some recessives a chance to express... Shooting a little less in the dark.

I think this is why sam suggested possibility of selfing his skunk line... He says it is in there, selfing would let you look deeper into the girls without adding an unknown male influence. If they all looked similar it would make it even easier to spot the outlier...

I'm sure go fund me wont let a fund raiser about weed up there but with clever wording it could be done pretty easy.

Ie: maybe something like "dankwolfs organic garden business" or some such.

Has anyone asked sam how much he wants??

 

[Dankwolf]

I was joking about name . honestly after all the half ass breeding and elite x elite a have pretty much decided to call all strains from this year on out "pot 1 " , pot 2" exedera lol.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Yes!

Also give some recessives a chance to express... Shooting a little less in the dark.

I think this is why sam suggested possibility of selfing his skunk line... He says it is in there, selfing would let you look deeper into the girls without adding an unknown male influence. If they all looked similar it would make it even easier to spot the outlier...

I'm sure go fund me wont let a fund raiser about weed up there but with clever wording it could be done pretty easy.

Ie: maybe something like "dankwolfs organic garden business" or some such.

Has anyone asked sam how much he wants??

Everyone else's attempt to bring back, or put into seed form, the RKS has shown that the RKS expression is super/double-recessive. So this is one of the few cases where selfing would be a very good idea.

Dankwolf, are you doing this project ID or OD?
Me thinks this expression would be best found OD.

 

[corky1968]

Dankwolf, are you doing this project ID or OD?
Me thinks this expression would be best found OD.

I think outdoors would be best also. Indoors is what I have to use now as the C. Gold don't do well outside in the North.

Once I brings down the flowering times of my strain using an Afghani then I may play outdoors.

 

[Dankwolf]

Everyone else's attempt to bring back, or put into seed form, the RKS has shown that the RKS expression is super/double-recessive. So this is one of the few cases where selfing would be a very good idea.

Dankwolf, are you doing this project ID or OD?
Me thinks this expression would be best found OD.

Funny you say that . i agree 100% that the trait is vary recessive.

The terping that influences the rks smell is vary easily compromised by the current fertlizers and soil/soiless mixes that are on the market (not intentionally).

I belive at this day in age we are getting some of the best yeilds / quality for are dollar .with huge calyxes like never seen before because of all the highly refind nutrients/elements ( breeding is also a big part).

Also i have been running all my selected strains under mh ,hps or a equal mix of mh/hps and saw vary little differnce in terpings/ cannabinoid that represent the rks. But to my surprize when i threw some culls (culls = did not meat the cut)from my indoor outside for the hell of it most had a better rks representation as far as rks smell/ high. Also all had a wider range of smells.

Outdoors i have been able to see sides of strains that never showed through indoor . my theory is its not about spectrum/intensity like one would think (differnt spectrums have yeilded little differnce in smell or profile in my notes). I think its the decreasing hours in the flowering period that may be behind the rks smell/ cannabinoid. I am testing this theory (not side by side ) on my next run of cotton candy . not detailed but if i am right and its the decreasing photo period that is helping this smell/trait/cannabinoid come out it should be easy to notice.

The one thing that follows every promising rks strian that i have tried is the high leaf to clayex ratio . At first i thought this was do to the strain it self (i am sure it is to a existent) but was likly due to being out door grown (witch does not explain the indoor rks that i have enjoyed many times.). But i feel the decressing photo period out doors may be behind what we seek .

i do plan to run in and out durring the first stages of the search but my goal is for a indoor rks that is done in under 12 weeks .

 

[Thcvhunter]

Has anyone found the RKS with just HPS?

My experiences involved mixed spectrum.

 

[slownickel]

Funny you say that . i agree 100% that the trait is vary recessive.

The terping that influences the rks smell is vary easily compromised by the current fertlizers and soil/soiless mixes that are on the market (not intentionally).

I belive at this day in age we are getting some of the best yeilds / quality for are dollar .with huge calyxes like never seen before because of all the highly refind nutrients/elements ( breeding is also a big part).

Also i have been running all my selected strains under mh ,hps or a equal mix of mh/hps and saw vary little differnce in terpings/ cannabinoid that represent the rks. But to my surprize when i threw some culls (culls = did not meat the cut)from my indoor outside for the hell of it most had a better rks representation as far as rks smell/ high. Also all had a wider range of smells.

Outdoors i have been able to see sides of strains that never showed through indoor . my theory is its not about spectrum/intensity like one would think (differnt spectrums have yeilded little differnce in smell or profile in my notes). I think its the decreasing hours in the flowering period that may be behind the rks smell/ cannabinoid. I am testing this theory (not side by side ) on my next run of cotton candy . not detailed but if i am right and its the decreasing photo period that is helping this smell/trait/cannabinoid come out it should be easy to notice.

The one thing that follows every promising rks strian that i have tried is the high leaf to clayex ratio . At first i thought this was do to the strain it self (i am sure it is to a existent) but was likly due to being out door grown (witch does not explain the indoor rks that i have enjoyed many times.). But i feel the decressing photo period out doors may be behind what we seek .

i do plan to run in and out durring the first stages of the search but my goal is for a indoor rks that is done in under 12 weeks .

Dankster,

I think you are proving my point for me about Calcium. Getting calcium uptake in mediums is very difficult, you need to get mediums pretty dry before you can get high Ca uptake. However, in a soil with clay particles, it is much easier for Ca uptake, mainly because the soil density is so much higher and Ca levels can be so much higher because of that density.

Without the high Ca, lots of amazing traits are not expressed, much less strongly expressed.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Selfing does bring out recessive traits, both good and bad. It also causes inbreeding loss of vigor. If you had different lines unrelated that is not a problem, as they can be combined after selfing and vigor is restored.
We made many S3 or S4 lines to target cannabinoids, that were really screwed up, wimpy, no vigor, and the females when transformed to male would not dehisce pollen, they still made pollen but it was sticky and did not drop, you could use a q-tip and self again but then the plants were even more screwed up, S5's. They the S3, S4, S5, were functionally sterile. Combining several unrelated S4 lines restores the heath and vigor.
This was used to create single cannabinoid lines, just CBC, or CBG, or THCV, and the rest of the propyl's CBCV, CBDV, CBGV. It works great, you can start with lines that have 1% or less of a target cannabinoid and by S4 and combining several S4 lines they are above 10% with no other cannabinoids. I suspect the same could be done with terpenes, such as for a RKS smell.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I think outdoors would be best also. Indoors is what I have to use now as the C. Gold don't do well outside in the North.

Once I brings down the flowering times of my strain using an Afghani then I may play outdoors.

Never make a hybrid at the expense of losing a landrace.

Mad Scientists have too write it all down. Otherwise, they won't remember how to recreate Frankenstein.

You can keep your Female seeds and S1 seeds. I don't do GMO.

Female seeds and S1 seeds are not GMO anymore then polyploids are. Over 75% of all flowering plants on earth are polyploids, almost all all made by nature.

The real problem with landraces are that Westerners took unrelated genes to traditional Cannabis landrace areas, like Mexico, Jamaica, Morocco, the land races are gone, and under threat worldwide.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Has anyone found the RKS with just HPS?

My experiences involved mixed spectrum.

YES and with organic soil it is very loud.
-SamS

 

[Dankwolf]

YES and with organic soil it is very loud.
-SamS

Second sam on this . i have seen it from hps 13on 11off
To 11on 13 off .

Organics = elemental diversity . a big part of getting the rks profile. To what existent i am not fully sure but in my experience it has represented it self best in a amended/aged soil watered with out nutes .

 

[Dankwolf]

Dankster,

I think you are proving my point for me about Calcium. Getting calcium uptake in mediums is very difficult, you need to get mediums pretty dry before you can get high Ca uptake. However, in a soil with clay particles, it is much easier for Ca uptake, mainly because the soil density is so much higher and Ca levels can be so much higher because of that density.

Without the high Ca, lots of amazing traits are not expressed, much less strongly expressed.

I have been doing some reading up and re learning of the elamental chart (they added a few sence i was in school lol) . i am understanding the biology side of it alit better and starting to under stand the elemental side as well but is taking a little more reading . i did not realize something that seams as strait forward as calcium could be so complex . i am going through my own crash course in calcium to catch up.

 

[Dankwolf]

Ca

Ca

 

[Dankwolf]

 

[Dankwolf]

 

[Dankwolf]

Selfing does bring out recessive traits, both good and bad. It also causes inbreeding loss of vigor. If you had different lines unrelated that is not a problem, as they can be combined after selfing and vigor is restored.
We made many S3 or S4 lines to target cannabinoids, that were really screwed up, wimpy, no vigor, and the females when transformed to male would not dehisce pollen, they still made pollen but it was sticky and did not drop, you could use a q-tip and self again but then the plants were even more screwed up, S5's. They the S3, S4, S5, were functionally sterile. Combining several unrelated S4 lines restores the heath and vigor.
This was used to create single cannabinoid lines, just CBC, or CBG, or THCV, and the rest of the propyl's CBCV, CBDV, CBGV. It works great, you can start with lines that have 1% or less of a target cannabinoid and by S4 and combining several S4 lines they are above 10% with no other cannabinoids. I suspect the same could be done with terpenes, such as for a RKS smell.
-SamS

So s1's from the 30 year old perent rks plant stock are not a complete loss even though they do not seem to have much in common with the parents past the quality/ yeild. / and basic structure?

I would love to see some carbon filters get wrecked in hours again.

 

[resin_lung]

WOW!

WOW!

Selfing does bring out recessive traits, both good and bad. It also causes inbreeding loss of vigor. If you had different lines unrelated that is not a problem, as they can be combined after selfing and vigor is restored.
We made many S3 or S4 lines to target cannabinoids, that were really screwed up, wimpy, no vigor, and the females when transformed to male would not dehisce pollen, they still made pollen but it was sticky and did not drop, you could use a q-tip and self again but then the plants were even more screwed up, S5's. They the S3, S4, S5, were functionally sterile. Combining several unrelated S4 lines restores the heath and vigor.
This was used to create single cannabinoid lines, just CBC, or CBG, or THCV, and the rest of the propyl's CBCV, CBDV, CBGV. It works great, you can start with lines that have 1% or less of a target cannabinoid and by S4 and combining several S4 lines they are above 10% with no other cannabinoids. I suspect the same could be done with terpenes, such as for a RKS smell.
-SamS

Sam! Happy Thanksgiving to you too. Great Post!

I normally file these type posts with the note, Newton! These are like the apple that the tree....... for some reason..... decides to hit you in the head with. This ones special though! It's Thanksgiving, Sam has fixed up a nice plate for anybody that's hungry! All you gotta do is digest it. Very cool! Spoonfed on Turkey day!

 

[corky1968]

I would love to see some carbon filters get wrecked in hours again.

For a few bucks you can ruin all of your carbon filters and more.

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[Lester Beans]

I noticed the Real Seed Co. has Mazar-i seeds back in stock. May be of interest to the recreation crew..

Best vibes!