Yeah the vigor isn't great. 4 out of 5 cracked and that was it. I bet these are the F3's he made in the mid 80's. If we make some more from this batch they will be better. How are your T1's? That will tell us how the vigor is being a backcross. (I guess you knew what the T1's are). "Working" told me he sent you some cookies too. Whad ya think? Have you put your JF/BB into flower yet? Later