Damn it stinks in here!

[Americangrower]

Sister

From her seed run..I'm growing some of these Sis x ECSD/C99 (Gmanwho's)

 

[dank.frank]

Just read through your thread..I know better late then never lol
The only way I can describe Sisters smell is onions and fresh milk. Let me search my pics from last grow.

Sis is by far my favorite chem. It's funny that you say "fresh milk"... I have always described the sis note in glue as a creamy chem...which is a pitiful description, but honestly not far from the truth.



dank.Frank

 

[Americangrower]

Sis is by far my favorite chem. It's funny that you say "fresh milk"... I have always described the sis note in glue as a creamy chem...which is a pitiful description, but honestly not far from the truth.



dank.Frank

GG4 smells the exact same way if taken late, whats weird is she has a fruity I'm guessing sour dub smell if taken early. I only know because I just took a bunch down that ranged from 65 to 80 days.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

I'm always fascinated by how people interpret different aromas. Sometimes I hear descriptions I totally don't get and I'm sure vise versa.

Sister from a far smells pretty nasty to me. I'll sometimes catch a whiff when working in the garden that smells like rotting fermenting garlic and trash can. The rankest and foulest of any chem I've grown. However, when I get up close and smell a bud I get creamy nutty toasted notes and much less of the raunch, and that's what I really feel carries over into the glue. Glue to my schnoz has like a creamy chemmy hashy marshmallowy chocolate type nose. Can smell all the parents in there but certainly a lot of sister influence.

Dub is my new love! Another interesting complex palate but wow that sweet skunky funk is an eye opener. Smell some chem type notes in that one too.

 

[Americangrower]

It's tough for me to tell smells except for stem rubs and trimming because I have way to many different ladies flowering at once. I will say that I put a teen of Deadhead and Sister in my trunk for a few hours and it took a week of hospital disinfectant spray and a can of ozium to rid the skunky reek out.

I used to say Sister smelled like garlic and milk, but then I poured some milk with garlic (yeah I test shit lol) and it wasn't quite right. Tried onions and it was much closer.

 

[dank.frank]

I wish someone would send a verified snip of sister into phylos to see where it fits into the map.



dank.Frank

 

[Scrappy-doo]

does it cost anything?

 

[dank.frank]

No idea. I've not explored that aspect of it. Some of the plants missing in key places I used to hold but not these days. Their website is fairly easy to navigate though.



dank.Frank

 

[Americangrower]

hmm I just looked at that phylos galaxy. I see that chem d and 4 are closely related to sour d and illuminati stardawg as well as some sour og. But not 91, maybe the two 91 testers weren't real.

 

[dank.frank]

I posted on this the other day.

The two Chem '91 samples are correct. Nspecta and Jason Pinsky of that vice tv show. AJ Sour was also entered by Pinsky. JoshD OG is present via JoshD.

You are viewing it correctly. Chem 91, D and 4 are all related. 91 and OG are related. Sour D is not directly related to Chem 91. It is however, related to both Chem 4 and Chem D.

Just shows we don't know all we think we do about what happened in those rooms back in the day.

We need MSS and we need DNL to be put in the galaxy. We need Chem Sis and a 100% verified cut of Bubba Kush as well. Topanga Canyon PK would also be nice to see.



dank.Frank

 

[Chunkypigs]

does it cost anything?

Bingo! $300 and what do you get?

Phylos tests less than 1% of a plants DNA and uses an "Algorithm" to make up the rest of their "info".
that coupled with the complexity of cannabis genetics means that you can't build a canna DNA family tree like you think of when you think of a human family tree.
Kevin McKiernan, the guy who 1st sequenced the canna genome went over this in one of his lectures at Cannamed.

DNA will be useful for well funded breeders in the future when they can tell you more than sex and propensity to produce CBD or THC but we are not there today and when they get there they won't be marketing to us growing underground.

what does big money market to the underground growers? snake oil typically.

what's more sexy than finding out if your cut is "real"?

all that these companies like Phylos are selling is misplaced hope to a generation of frustrated growers dying for strain info that's not there in an individual plant.

even if Phylos would have run a complete genome on every sample you can't spit a family tree back through history out of that info.
what's up there now is a really fancy piece of software that is engaging but there's nothing like what they are claiming it to be.

look at the cookie cuts it says are identical clones that clearly are not like OGKB and Forum cookies or at the sibling and parent stock that sam and rob clarke sent in that phylos claims are unrelated.

perhaps it gets a few things correct like the proverbial broken clock but how do strains collected before the 90's have any OG in them?
they are spinning a complex yarn.

R clarke was in an interview in the past year or so and basically said as much, that their algorithm isn't getting it right and they mightn't provide the info that was hoped for.

they will only be able to suck people into these $300 tests for so long before it implodes like the DX pocket THC tester.

there are about a dozen of these genetic companies trying to get you to pay for a report like this or a spot in their invented galaxy.
this one claims to tell you the % Indica to sativa and it's "psychoactivity". you can sell growers anything, even an insurance policy on their strains, lol.

Kevin McKiernans company is somewhat honest about the family tree stuff but they are still trying to market bs tests to spot PM and other things that are not nearly as useful as an expensive test to find out sex early is.

there will probably be some type of marketable info that is going to come from all these expensive tests but the benefit won't be to the growers who paid for them.

the possibility to tell clones apart will be there in the future when the cost on running complete genomes on plants drops enough but who will be around to argue about this shit then?

we are going to blink twice and wake up in a world full of candy flavored disposable THC vape pens in every gas station and 7-11 in Ermerica and no one will remember what a bud looked like or how stinky they were when smoked in the old days.

 

[dank.frank]

You've done a bit more looking into than I have. Thanks for sharing Chunky.



dank.Frank

 

[Medfinder]

I posted on this the other day.

The two Chem '91 samples are correct. Nspecta and Jason Pinsky of that vice tv show. AJ Sour was also entered by Pinsky. JoshD OG is present via JoshD.

You are viewing it correctly. Chem 91, D and 4 are all related. 91 and OG are related. Sour D is not directly related to Chem 91. It is however, related to both Chem 4 and Chem D.

Just shows we don't know all we think we do about what happened in those rooms back in the day.

We need MSS and we need DNL to be put in the galaxy. We need Chem Sis and a 100% verified cut of Bubba Kush as well. Topanga Canyon PK would also be nice to see.



dank.Frank

only seen topanga canyon PK one time when i worked on the green angel collective HVAC system...

many years ago... saw hollywood pk malibu pk and nitro clones but none survived more than 2 years for me.
just to many strains here in socal.

 

[Chunkypigs]

Wonderland Nursery's cut of the Hollywood PK was tested by Phylos, 20 clones the same they say.
got some berry in it too so they say, lol.
https://testing.phylosbioscience.com/sample/genotype/d8v2ydyo

searching that thing by the people who submitted tells the best story IMO.

TC was saying at the Ludlow event that the HPK cut we have sourced back thru him also goes by Topanga and Malibu in some circles so there's that...
got one about to flip, praying it's the old school OG I remember from LA, that HeadBand was spot on.

if you go search AJ's sour on Phylos you get 30 cuts that a year ago on one of their reports would have been called identical. everything from ECSD to headband in there.

today they call it a clone group and have this caveat- "Lines between samples show family relationships using a metric called identity by descent (IBD) (plink v1.9; Purcell et al. 2007). Specifically, the proportion IBD between two samples is the sum of probability of sharing both alleles at a locus (e.g., AA, AA) and 1/2 of the probability of sharing a single allele at a locus (e.g., AA, Aa). We use a second metric called genetic similarity, to identify putative family members as well as to identify clones. Genetic similarity is simply the number of shared alleles divided by the total number of alleles compared between two samples. Clones are designated as those samples that have extremely high genetic similarity. We set the threshold to be slightly higher than the average technical error rate of genotyping. Based on analysis of known pedigrees, we have set thresholds for likely immediate family relationships. Familial relationships are useful for several reasons. Many varieties within the Galaxy have the same name, yet are genetically distinct. Familial relationships may help determine whether a variety has been mislabeled. They may also help validate pedigrees of varieties."

known by whom? for what?

Cookies has 25 plants in the group that can't be told apart with their testing methodology so they alter their terminology.

look at the range of cuts in that cookie group, all the named cuts and well known outcrosses too close to tell apart genetically?
my nose and eyes can tell them apart.

what can you take away from this kind of vague info and how is it worth $300?

 

[mushroombrew]

Unfortunately companies are using this tech for patents. He who tests first wins. Times are changing for sure.

 

[dank.frank]

Unfortunately companies are using this tech for patents. He who tests first wins. Times are changing for sure.

Proof of this? Based on my prior understanding of the galaxy, it serves the EXACT OPPOSITE purpose. Anything in the galaxy can be shown to have existed prior in the public domain, which by default means it can't be patented.



dank.Frank

 

[shishkaboy]

Yeah, when it first came out I was all about the galaxy. Im not so sure how creditable it is atm. To say chem 4 and d are related to sour but sour isnt related to skunk va just doesnt sit right with me. Im like how is that possible, it sure has the "chem" bud structure...

 

[Cannavore]

I posted on this the other day.

The two Chem '91 samples are correct. Nspecta and Jason Pinsky of that vice tv show. AJ Sour was also entered by Pinsky. JoshD OG is present via JoshD.

You are viewing it correctly. Chem 91, D and 4 are all related. 91 and OG are related. Sour D is not directly related to Chem 91. It is however, related to both Chem 4 and Chem D.

Just shows we don't know all we think we do about what happened in those rooms back in the day.

We need MSS and we need DNL to be put in the galaxy. We need Chem Sis and a 100% verified cut of Bubba Kush as well. Topanga Canyon PK would also be nice to see.



dank.Frank

i heard pinsky asked phylos to withhold his testing data. then Nspecta gets his 91 tested and pinskys data gets published.

 

[~star~crash~]

we are going to blink twice and wake up in a world full of candy flavored disposable THC vape pens in every gas station and 7-11 in Ermerica and no one will remember what a bud looked like or how stinky they were when smoked in the old days.

some of us will remember~

 

[dank.frank]

I really don't know all the drama behind all of it, but I've tried to only map things based off an entry I know to be legit based on who entered it.

I agree the categories are silly - the OG, Berry, Skunk, Landrace, etc. but you have to start some where, and it isn't as if the data is useless, it just can't be used as "fact" per say is what I'm gathering?

What plants did Sam enter in which the parents didn't properly attach themselves to their offspring in the galaxy?

Example, there are no less than 4 different "Bubba Kush" clusters including a pre-98 bubba cluster. One of those Bubbas is in the "Master Kush" cluster - which is a mess of Hindu, Afghan, Master, etc.

I'll repeat, I don't think the data is irrelevant. Take it for what it is. It tells us more than we used to know prior and for that reason is a step forward.

I'll admit, I was under the impression it was more fool proof than it seems. However, I was struggling to understand how there are now over 50+ plants in the OG303 cluster, where JoshD cut/entry is located. I guess I'm of the opinion these plants cluster this way because they are siblings from the same seed lot or in the OG case selfed variants, sharing more or less the exact same DNA - or - in some instances, it's simply the same plant entered under the "incorrect" name.

TK is in the OG303 cluster as well.

I think, once you have a 10+ plant cluster, you should be able to zoom into those individual plants for more specific degrees of separation. However, if I get what you all are saying, this isn't possible because they aren't actually testing enough DNA to establish this and their algorithm is essentially lumping the plants that are "nearly" the same?

NEED. INPUT.



dank.Frank