Man I gotta get a real keyboard for this one J/k
before I get carried away I should ask what do you clone with. Water or cubes?
before I get carried away I should ask what do you clone with. Water or cubes?
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SirSmokalot is throwin some great info at ya , so i'll let him roll with it .
Yes thank you Dans, Sirsmokalot and anyone else I've been talking too.
not sure which store you go to, but if its the one next to the tracks there isn't one employee that grows in coco that works there. the bigger dude has tried and failed and went back to rockwool, I've seen his results from both mediums and he made the right move switching back to what he knows lol.
pot size depends on a lot of factors, one being number of plants under each light. as a general rule of thumb I like to put around 16 gallons of coco under each light(give or take strain depending), so for 4 larger plants I use 4 gal pots. you shouldn't be transplanting mid flower ever, I like giving them at least a week in the final pot before the flip. the main thing is you want to size your plants so that they will dry out the pot daily at least. I personally like to have wet/dry cycles more so than staying constantly moist(blumats, although I have had many successful runs using blumats in coco). pot size is also somewhat strain dependent, I personally don't run og's in pots larger than 2g but I flip them small and let them stretch. at the end of the day my personal favorite pot sizes are 2's and 3's, and I'd lean more 2g if your going to be running drips. I have flowered single plants under a light in 10 gallon pots also, and good root development and the ability of the plant to dry out its container in a timely matter is really whats most important at the end of the day. you want to water your coco at least 1x daily...basically you want to give them whatever they can take. fwiw I never had problems with too much stretch & small buds as a result of large pot size unless the plant was just too small for the pot...or cookies, but that crap happened regardless of pot size for me.
I agree with sir about using the aqua flakes in coco, although I never had issues with low N when I was using it, and I'm pretty sure we used it in a pretty similar fashion. I use tap water though, so maybe thats why? h&g are solid nutes
nice outs btw.
Aha I know exactly who you're talking about but no I don't go there. I always wait a week after transplant just to let them get 'comfortable'. Sounds like you hand water? I'm leaning towards 1s for a 2 week veg and flower in 3s, 9 per 4x4. Do you use H&G?
never heard anyone use it quite that way ..... interesting though
i used 2 gallons for a long time , but could never get the half pound mark from a 2 gallon pot , i started with 3's & can get that or better now on a pretty regular bases . strain dependant of course.
i also go from solo cup right to the final pot now instead of vegging in 5" pots & transplanting a week or 2 before flower . makes charging the coco easier & cuts down on the transplant shock & also seems to veg alot better & faster .
20 days later .....
Day 1 of flower & a total of 25 days in veg , from 7/10 in the first pic to 8/3 in the last pic .
Shit nice drop man make me jelly I'm stuck indoors.
Well you got the right idea about watering frequency. Def must feel it out as days pass. I always start with less and observe. I got a routine down pretty well by now. Main thing is not drowning your clone the first week. I water them daily but not the entire container. I just hydrate the cube only, because I don't cover it completely and it can dry out before they start rooting the pot.
Like deezy said pot size is strain dependant and I also favor 2-3 gallon containers in coco. No need for bigger unless you aim for trees.
I don't like dry cycles. Every time I get dry, I get lockout. Even half dry. Dry coco on the surface is like a oh shit it's time if I'm hand watering.
The main thing is what roots have you been cultivating while vegging. Hydro roots that need constant moisture or roots that are acclimated to wet dry cycles? Will make the difference.
I don't have any rule of thumb for how many gallons of medium per light because that's just preference really. The real determining factor is strain and knowing it's rooting characteristics and feeding habits.
I've seen Stoney917 stick 25 2gal pots in a 4x4 lollipop the shit out of em and grow like 75-100 spears over 2lbs a light. Lol the containers were literally crammed in interlocking to fit.
The most important thing is keeping them wet enough to avoid lockout I just had this happen to my run this week I got a fever 102.5f and water 8 hrs late and many containers were dry. No droop. But two days later plants got signs of I fucked up. That plus my meter being off I'm super pissed
And small buds, extra stretch isn't a result of large pots. It's a result of going from a 1g to a 5g and flipping immediately the roots aren't there they stretch to the heavens and grow tiny marbles
Any container is fine for any strain if it's properly established and gets enough of light and food.
After you get a cycle or two under the belt you'll know your grow and how to manage it best.
My favorite growth patterns are on hydro plants. If you maintain hydro roots throughout the grow, the plants branch much differently. They grow a more symmetrical bush. Plants look round like a ball. Many lowers become dominant, more fat tops in the end.
I reconsidered my veg strategy for watering when I saw resin riders flood and drain coco, growing half the same stains I grew and they were unrecognizable beautiful round bushes. Thicker branching more dominant branches. Beautiful. Switched my shit up real quick.
He needed half the plants I did to fill the same space in same size containers.
I'm sick stuck in bed for four days now. Posting is keeping me from total boredom lol my bad if it's a lot
One thing I can say is don't be scurrrred to switch I bet you nail it
Well you got the right idea about watering frequency. Def must feel it out as days pass. I always start with less and observe. I got a routine down pretty well by now. Main thing is not drowning your clone the first week. I water them daily but not the entire container. I just hydrate the cube only, because I don't cover it completely and it can dry out before they start rooting the pot.
Like deezy said pot size is strain dependant and I also favor 2-3 gallon containers in coco. No need for bigger unless you aim for trees.
I don't like dry cycles. Every time I get dry, I get lockout. Even half dry. Dry coco on the surface is like a oh shit it's time if I'm hand watering.
The main thing is what roots have you been cultivating while vegging. Hydro roots that need constant moisture or roots that are acclimated to wet dry cycles? Will make the difference.
I don't have any rule of thumb for how many gallons of medium per light because that's just preference really. The real determining factor is strain and knowing it's rooting characteristics and feeding habits.
I've seen Stoney917 stick 25 2gal pots in a 4x4 lollipop the shit out of em and grow like 75-100 spears over 2lbs a light. Lol the containers were literally crammed in interlocking to fit.
The most important thing is keeping them wet enough to avoid lockout I just had this happen to my run this week I got a fever 102.5f and water 8 hrs late and many containers were dry. No droop. But two days later plants got signs of I fucked up. That plus my meter being off I'm super pissed
And small buds, extra stretch isn't a result of large pots. It's a result of going from a 1g to a 5g and flipping immediately the roots aren't there they stretch to the heavens and grow tiny marbles
Any container is fine for any strain if it's properly established and gets enough of light and food.
After you get a cycle or two under the belt you'll know your grow and how to manage it best.
My favorite growth patterns are on hydro plants. If you maintain hydro roots throughout the grow, the plants branch much differently. They grow a more symmetrical bush. Plants look round like a ball. Many lowers become dominant, more fat tops in the end.
I reconsidered my veg strategy for watering when I saw resin riders flood and drain coco, growing half the same stains I grew and they were unrecognizable beautiful round bushes. Thicker branching more dominant branches. Beautiful. Switched my shit up real quick.
He needed half the plants I did to fill the same space in same size containers.
I'm sick stuck in bed for four days now. Posting is keeping me from total boredom lol my bad if it's a lot
One thing I can say is don't be scurrrred to switch I bet you nail it
I did use h&g for a long time but currently use canna. I have thought about switching it back up to h&g on multiple occasions but I usually have a stock of canna on hand that I don't want to just shelf for no particular reason. they're both REALLY similar although I was definitely able to pull more color out of h&g, and my yields have been slightly better with canna...I probably should do a side by side.
dans- that's just one of the things I kinda picked up on over the years, I'll usually do 9 -2's, 6 - 3's, 4 - 4's, 3 - 5's, 2 - 7's...you get the point lol but I think in the case of one plant per light 10g's are more than adequate. more of a guideline than a rule I suppose. but there is definitely a point of diminishing returns going larger on pot size with coco. I like my 3's
dans- that's just one of the things I kinda picked up on over the years, I'll usually do 9 -2's, 6 - 3's, 4 - 4's, 3 - 5's, 2 - 7's...you get the point lol but I think in the case of one plant per light 10g's are more than adequate. more of a guideline than a rule I suppose. but there is definitely a point of diminishing returns going larger on pot size with coco. I like my 3's
I did use h&g for a long time but currently use canna. I have thought about switching it back up to h&g on multiple occasions but I usually have a stock of canna on hand that I don't want to just shelf for no particular reason. they're both REALLY similar although I was definitely able to pull more color out of h&g, and my yields have been slightly better with canna...I probably should do a side by side.
dans- that's just one of the things I kinda picked up on over the years, I'll usually do 9 -2's, 6 - 3's, 4 - 4's, 3 - 5's, 2 - 7's...you get the point lol but I think in the case of one plant per light 10g's are more than adequate. more of a guideline than a rule I suppose. but there is definitely a point of diminishing returns going larger on pot size with coco. I like my 3's
with one plant , you think 10 gallons is enough to pull 2lbs out of all by itself under 1000watts ??? i'm asking because i was thinking about grabbing a couple 25 gallon smartys for single plant runs . i've got an ECSD mom thats way to big to put anywhere & i hate killing it . so i thought i'd do her under a light by herself .
is the a/b canna the same price as the a/b h&g?
