Crippy - Pre86 OG KUSH

[MJtheIndicator]

G`day MJTI

Afghanistan no .
Pakistan yes . OG and Pak have similar structures and leaf shapes . Much closer than the Hash Cabbage from further West .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Fair enough, Kush region. I can agree with the leaf thought, but that brings up taste and inevitably comparitive potency. If just based on taste and potency I would lean back towards Afghan. Taste might be the wrong term, but for lack of adjective "bite". And sure there has to be a myriad of new-school who will champion the sativa traits in more recent OG Kush, but if we are worth our weight as fancy gardeners we should be able to pinpoint a nearly specific indica in the heritage of OG Kush.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i've smoked a lotta "kush" but i've only ever had one that was said to be OGK and it's nothing like any of the other kush i've ever smoked. All the kush i've ever smoked before this one tasted and smelled the same. i can't really pinpoint it but it's sorta like a metallic twang in the back, and that "kush" smell.

this kush billed to be OG looks like... this

doesn't taste like any of the other kush i've tasted. tastes like a creamy earthy flavor? i can't explain it. smelles real lemony and piney but not in the flavor. i dunno what it is but it gets me way higher than any kush i've ever had. but anyway back to all the other kush i've had. i dunno where everyone is getting this indica put you down shit from. it always had a quick sativa type of high. very short though like barely an hour long before you notice it's worn off. even the pictures i've seen it looks pretty sativa in it's growth. it just grows small buds.

another thing. is it the nutes they're using? i remember in the early days of OGK i heard from everyone that it grows little tiny "golf ball nugs" was the description everyone was giving. but all the pics i see of kush these days are showing little pinecone buds. not golf ball at all. bubba grows golf balls. cookies too. but none of these kushes i'm seeing everyone with.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I agree with both golfball and pinecone, but I've ran into too much variety to be fair about it. I do recall running into more robust cola early on than popcorn, but that's probably because everyone was hording then and wanted to show off. Mass production could be to blame for the eventual shrinkage. I created my first poll about the whole Pakistan vs. Afghanistan thing, my guess is most people will say Pakistan as relates to the decades of OG folklore.

 

[WelderDan]

i've smoked a lotta "kush" but i've only ever had one that was said to be OGK and it's nothing like any of the other kush i've ever smoked. All the kush i've ever smoked before this one tasted and smelled the same. i can't really pinpoint it but it's sorta like a metallic twang in the back, and that "kush" smell.

this kush billed to be OG looks like... this
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doesn't taste like any of the other kush i've tasted. tastes like a creamy earthy flavor? i can't explain it. smelles real lemony and piney but not in the flavor. i dunno what it is but it gets me way higher than any kush i've ever had. but anyway back to all the other kush i've had. i dunno where everyone is getting this indica put you down shit from. it always had a quick sativa type of high. very short though like barely an hour long before you notice it's worn off. even the pictures i've seen it looks pretty sativa in it's growth. it just grows small buds.

another thing. is it the nutes they're using? i remember in the early days of OGK i heard from everyone that it grows little tiny "golf ball nugs" was the description everyone was giving. but all the pics i see of kush these days are showing little pinecone buds. not golf ball at all. bubba grows golf balls. cookies too. but none of these kushes i'm seeing everyone with.

Gainesville Green. Crippy. Kush. Purple Haze. Maui Wowee.

All these names and many more have been applied to almost any good herb to sell product. It's been this way forever.

I had some guy try to sell me Purple Haze. It was purple, but it was no haze. Couchlock all the way. Good pot, but not haze.

Be it a cut, a nug or an Oz, you gotta question anything that has a popular name. I don't know were you source your herb, but unless you know for sure they have a legit cut or bag, it is subject to the name game. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your source. I'm just saying that unless you know for a fact what you are getting is legit, then it may very well be anything, and the seller may be calling it anything to move it. Or, it's as simple as that is what they were told it was, so that is what they sell it as.

Or you may be getting a hybrid, or S1, or even a poorly grown representation of the real thing.

I've seen fake quaaludes, fake speed, fake cocaine, fake acid and fake weed. And I don't mean crappy, I mean it wasn't even pot.

It's sad, but greed is at the root of it, and people aren't altruistic when it comes to profit.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Super dumb ....suuuuupa dumb

All pau

 

[Catatafish]

I've seen fake quaaludes, fake speed, fake cocaine, fake acid.

Fake drugs....while i've never heard of such a thing Or greedy people for that matter.

 

[WelderDan]

Fake drugs....while i've never heard of such a thing Or greedy people for that matter.

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

As my buddy is fond of saying "That's why they call it DOPE, you dope"

 

[KiefSweat]

Afghan is a pretty generic term.

A lowland variety will not be the same as a highland variety.
10-11week flowering is in time with a lot of affys too

Dry soft pressed og tastes a lot like that old black affy. Almost like a subway burnt rubber and a bit of piss. The oils get more flavor.

 

[Hugh Midity]

my sides are killing me, that ed snowden looking dude layed it all out,og goes back to the silk road traders between asia and Afghanistan. that's og as it gets right there. so thatd make it at least what, the pre A.D. crippy? and supa, oh man have you stepped all in you're own shit bro. thank you for the entertainment

 

[WelderDan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSJomPJ8DIM

he starts talking at 18:20 ( dunno how to upload it, keeps giving a broken link)

OK, I just listened to this. Right off the bat he claims Crippy was bagseed from Gainesville Green. Which is insane. I've had the real GG, and it is a huge outdoor Sativa. Long spears of vibrant green. Nothing like any of the Kush strains.

Which of course runs counter to his first post where he claims it came from Hawaii.

This guy is a complete fraud.

 

[jd4083]

OK, I just listened to this. Right off the bat he claims Crippy was bagseed from Gainesville Green. Which is insane. I've had the real GG, and it is a huge outdoor Sativa. Long spears of vibrant green. Nothing like any of the Kush strains.

Which of course runs counter to his first post where he claims it came from Hawaii.

This guy is a complete fraud.

to be fair, a single bagseed is not necessarily going to be representative of the plant it came from...at all

 

[stihgnobevoli]

yeah they discussed genetics testing in the show and the guy john from the testing lab says siblings are all different genotypes. so could be plausible. unless f1 which would be closer to parent.

 

[WelderDan]

to be fair, a single bagseed is not necessarily going to be representative of the plant it came from...at all

To be fair, he said in his first post it came from Hawaii to South Florida. The only mention of GG in the entire thread was made by me. He also said it was part Hawaiian Web Indica. And he also said in his Instaclown it came from Florida to Hawaii. 3 differing version of the tale, so far.

As for GG, it was left behind for better stuff in the mid 80's. It was good for its time, but it wasn't all that. And it certainly wasn't anything like modern Kush. And at the time, any good green was called GG to move it. Much like the term Crippy was used starting in the 90's.

So to be fair, you are technically right, but realistically, Gainesville Green and OG have no relation whatsoever.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

my sides are killing me, that ed snowden looking dude layed it all out,og goes back to the silk road traders between asia and Afghanistan. that's og as it gets right there. so thatd make it at least what, the pre A.D. crippy? and supa, oh man have you stepped all in you're own shit bro. thank you for the entertainment

I agree, his point was on target, but shot down because its too esoteric and the show itself wants to portray a big farm "future of breeding" attitude. The show seems to posture itself in a way which marginalizes, using pejoratives like pollen chucker while preaching to the community how only worked strains that have been through thousands of homogeny are stable. I feel the variety they argue as dangerous or less stable is in fact anal over compensation and a means to quiet the threat of more adept breeders who are capable and wise enough to create world-class medicine without hectacres or warehouse.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Thats why almost every seed bank on the planet is using genetics stemmed from this on great plant, OG. Seems to me if there were that many qualified breeders creating similar quality genetics in small project we would see more of that. What I see is OG x OG x OG almost no matter whos seed bank you look at.

 

[WelderDan]

I found this, from High Times - Sept 18 2013

http://www.hightimes.com/read/birth-bubba-kush

The guy that says he created Bubba, which according to him is from bag seed of a NL cross from Humbolt pollinated by a hermie Kush, which he says was from unknown bag seed from Gainesville. He started calling this "Kush" OG.

"Sometime in the 1970s, the Hindu Kush arrived on the shores of America. The strain takes its name from the rugged, 500-mile-long mountain range that extends from Afghanistan into northern Pakistan. But this story isn’t about a South Asian indica grown with loving care by tribal families for aeons upon aeons; it’s about Florida stoners and progressive growers who sought to create great buds, but had no idea what genetics they were even dealing with.

The breeder named Bubba sits down with me at the headquarters of Rocky Mountain High in Denver. Activity swirls around us at this warehouse/dispensary on the outskirts of the city. Bubba has just given me a tour of the facility, where he now serves as master grower. If things go according to plan, he’ll soon be working his magic in state-sanctioned growrooms in New Jersey and Massachusetts. “I’ve been called many things,” he says, “but most people call me Bubba. ‘Bubba’ is not just some redneck name given to me because I was raised in Florida -- I’m Bubba because I call all my close friends Bubba or Bubi or some variation.”

Obviously, Bubba wants to make clear it’s no coincidence that the strain bears his name. With that out of the way, he begins to spin his tale. “I am one of the original godfathers of Bubba Kush,” he intones, “but I will warn you that some dates and details may be slightly marbled due to age, memory failures and smoking the Kush for 20-plus years.”

Curtain up on the University of Florida, circa 1990. “It started with a bag of super-danky krypto -- but krypto was just a generic name for weed,” he says. “I was living with an awesome bubba of mine who was teaching me how to grow. He was really into crossing strains. We were lucky enough to have some superb Skunk #1 and other really special Gainesville strains.”

Attesting to his belief that the connections we make in life are not coincidental, Bubba ran into another longtime bubba from middle school who introduced him to a dude named Learch, who became a close college buddy. Learch was friends with Arnold, who came from Orlando. On one of his many visits to Gainesville, Arnold brought along an outstanding bag of weed that happened to have a couple beans.

“We popped them,” says Bubba, “and started calling the strain Kush. None of us knew that a real strain called Kush already existed. In fact, I didn’t know there was a strain called Hindu Kush until a few years ago. We smoked ‘the nectar,’ ‘krippy’ or ‘the kind.’ We rarely knew what strain we were smoking. If we had all the information that’s accessible now, we would have definitely called it something different. We actually named it Kush because of a friend’s older brother, who said it looked like kush-berries -- whatever the hell those are.”

The name Kush stuck. The college roomies began crossing their friends’ gnarly Skunk strains with their Kush, creating KX, KY and KZ. They settled on the KY and killed off the KX and KZ. So then they were left with the Skunk, the Kush and their newborn cross, KY.

Fate was kind. On a trip to Mardi Gras, Bubba was gifted a bag of seeds for a Northern Lights cross from Humboldt County. “Naturally,” Bubba says, “I popped all of the seeds that looked healthy. After killing the males, I was left with about a dozen. Due to space issues, I picked six, cloned them and let them bud. One in particular was absolutely beautiful: It grew like a stumpy oak tree, with leaflets that were so fat they covered each other and blocked light from the bottom almost entirely. Obviously, I kept this strain and renamed it -- what else? -- the Bubba. I continued to grow the Bubba, the Kush and the KY for the next few years, until I graduated. They were good years: Learch and I were the gods of Gainesville -- at least for a minute. It was the start of the phenomenon. We couldn’t keep the Kush around.”

Next, Bubba headed for Los Angeles and moved in with a college buddy, a best bubba to this day. They got a place in Silver Lake with a small space under the house ideal for a secret garden. Bubba returned to Florida, stuffed a roller-blade boot with a plastic bag containing a bead of water and some clippings from Bubbas that were still growing, then stowed it all in his luggage and brought his genetics to the West Coast. Amazingly, the cuttings rooted. In time, they decided to get rid of the KY and kept just the Kush and the Bubba.

“The Kush was a tough strain,” Bubba recalls. “It was so stringy, a bad producer and very finicky -- a hard strain to get perfect. But even a bad crop was still better than anything else we had or that was around in LA. But we had a problem: Our place was small and we couldn’t adjust height levels easily. The Kush was tall and lanky, but the Bubba was short and beefy. It was hard growing them together ... so, tragically, we decided to dump the Bubba.”

Fate stepped in for a second time. “We had another roommate in those Silver Lake days -- Josh D. In the hierarchy of the LA chapter of the Kush Brotherhood,” Bubba explains, “Josh D. was second in line. We had a Kush that had hermaphrodited and pollinated the Bubba. Josh D. was buddies with the Cypress Hill crew. One day, B-Real and his bodyguard came by to pick up some Bubba and discovered seeds in their bags.”

Bubba Kush had arrived -- albeit by accident! But it played second banana to their original superstar, Kush.

Within six months, the Kush Kraze was raging; nobody wanted anything else. Rappers, rock stars and actors all came to Silver Lake just for the Kush. “We were getting $8,000 a pound, and people were paying months in advance to make sure they didn’t miss out on a crop,” Bubba boasts. “We had it good. We used Kush for everything -- lift tickets, show tickets, restaurants, you name it. We’ve given cuts to hundreds of people, and they’ve given it to two friends who gave it to two friends. Soon, everyone was growing the Kush.”

But not well. “Some people who got cuttings grew it like ass, devoid of our original quality, taste, smell and appearance,” Bubba says. “Also, pseudo-Kush strains began popping up, which true canna-sseurs knew were inferior. Then shit from Canada called Kush began appearing on the scene. It was being trucked down to LA all squished and tasted like old carrots. Prices started dropping to $6,500. So people started making a distinction, referring to my Kush as the ‘OG’ to clarify it was the real deal.” (“OG” is an abbreviation for “original.”)

Since their creation, Bubba’s prized OG and Bubba Kush have caused nothing but craving. Their virtues have been extolled in rap songs, making Kush the strain of the hip-hop scene. But Kush has inspired some episodes of reefer madness, too: In 2009, Representative Mark Kirk (R-IL) introduced a bill targeting “Kush super-marijuana,” which he said makes its users “zombie-like,” and called for increased penalties for those selling it.

“Drug dealers know they can make as much money selling Kush as cocaine, but without the heavier sentences that accompany crack and cocaine trafficking,” Kirk said. “Higher fines and longer sentences aren’t the total solution to our nation’s drug problem. But our laws should keep pace with advances in the strength and cash value of high-THC marijuana. If you can make as much money selling pot as cocaine, you should face the same penalties.”

Thankfully, no such legislation ever passed. But although Kirk’s bill died, he’s now a US senator, proving once again that stupidity is no barrier to getting ahead in politics.

Fortunately, intelligence is valued in the cannabis community, where the core American values of hard work and a can-do spirit continue to drive the industry forward. Understandably, Bubba is proud of what he’s produced. “Today, both our OG and Bubba Kush strains are world-renowned. But,” he adds, “you’ve got identity thieves at work in this industry. One of my pet peeves is people out there calling their strain ‘Pre-’98 Bubba.’ There’s no way there was more than one pheno-type by 1998, since it was created in 1997!”

No doubt about it: Breeders of top-notch strains are sensitive souls. In fact, Bubba still grieves over the heartbreaking loss of the strain known simply as “the Bubba” years ago in Silver Lake. Like a parent speaking of a missing child, he says: “I’ve heard rumors that it still grows somewhere in Northern Cal. I’m hoping it’s true and that we can be reunited.”

Read it and you decide if you want to believe it.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Afghan is a pretty generic term.

A lowland variety will not be the same as a highland variety.
10-11week flowering is in time with a lot of affys too

Dry soft pressed og tastes a lot like that old black affy. Almost like a subway burnt rubber and a bit of piss. The oils get more flavor.

Agreed, the term alludes the exotic mindset of far-off unexplored places. And yes even lower valley plants thriving in the clay are going to have a different output than their counterparts up on the ridges within loamy alluvial substrate among the blue pine. Those lowland varieties are deceivingly sativa in cola structure (growing in arguably more acidic ground), not unlike something one might notice from Nepal or even Lebanon. However, strain confusion of this kind hearkens misnomers in classification, taxonomy and the broad leaf vs. narrow debate. I can see a chem and Pakistani plant doing something like the Ghost cut, but the SFV which might be the example most want to claim as sativa dom could be showing tighter and sparse budding because of a ancestral behavior thrown from an Afghani via central Asia.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Thats why almost every seed bank on the planet is using genetics stemmed from this on great plant, OG. Seems to me if there were that many qualified breeders creating similar quality genetics in small project we would see more of that. What I see is OG x OG x OG almost no matter whos seed bank you look at.

I have no beef with a house-proud blend. When I mention variety its an homage to the radar blips like Pure Kush or Louis. Even holy grail got its 15 minutes and all homogeny aside this variety even if on a small scale feels more like community rather than corporate and centralized. Breeding for the sake of breeding motivated by commitment, technique and creativity is a greater value-added than breeding for sake of plantation i.e., survival.

 

[KiefSweat]

Sfv to me is a related afghan but not necessarily an og. Og resin tends to have a darker color and the sfv is a brighter color similar to other afghans.

The "sativa" ogs if hashplants could just be the selection towards hash plants. Some of the landrace afghans I've grown have shown an odd foxtail like bud structure which makes a ton of sense if your growing for resin and making hash

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Sfv to me is a related afghan but not necessarily an og. Og resin tends to have a darker color and the sfv is a brighter color similar to other afghans.

The "sativa" ogs if hashplants could just be the selection towards hash plants. Some of the landrace afghans I've grown have shown an odd foxtail like bud structure which makes a ton of sense if your growing for resin and making hash

Makes sense, pinene ancestor.