create your own line within a established strain?

[Guest]

just cipherin on it some. do you think by selectin plants that suit your tastes and workin those plants into a subline of the original strain, that you could have somethin that you could call your own personal headstash?

pretty much where my growin habit is headed. id like to work a line for a time for myself. im not sayin no credit would go to the original, but the time and selection I do with the plants. my version or wahtever.

main point is id like to follow the correct ettiqutte, not wantin to step on toes or come off pompazz

CBF

 

[Brushtail]

Selecting certain pheno's of an established strain and breeding them to create a new strain of pheno line happens all the time. I think BOG did that with his bogglegum just selecting certain bubblegum pheno's . I may of misinterpreted the question if i did im sorry

Brushtail....Down Under :friends:

 

[Guest]

Seems appropriate to me. I see alot of "breeders" doing crosses of other's gear and slapping their own name on it... or starting with an elite clone and spanking it with males from established lines or crosses that they've made.

Give credit where credit is due when it's asked and you should be fine... no honor lost there. BOG, Res and untold numbers of others do it... why not you?

What would be your ideal strain... what are you after?

 

[Brushtail]

The people that take the time to breed out the selective pheno's of killer strains deserve the credit. They took the time and money to do it

Brushtail.....Down Under

 

[Guest]

Lonestar did it...DJ Short Blueberry F4.


damn good substrain.

 

[mangaskunk]

Kinda doin the same thing myself, although I am looking to use a landrace sativa in my breeding however the genetic quality is there from strains already established.....give credit where credits due, I'm sure those breeders concerned would be delighted.

SweetBuds

MangaSkunk

 

[Guest]

More threads on the breeding please.. That is good reading..
thanx.. peace.

sack :friends:

 

[Dr Watt]

Edit : Don't read this brainstorm.

Yeh, the habit of many seed companies to copy/re-issue already established breeds is bad for the industry IMO. It takes a lot of expertise, time and space to produce a breed - those people should receive $ for their efforts - and this income is also incentive to do more.

Why do you think these copy comanies bother ??? MONEY. This is a far cry from the dedication of real breeders.

These 'copy' companies, like Nirvana, take a good share of the profits out of breeding. What is their contribution ? Saving some lacky $50 US is not a good deed - any of us could pump out some IBL or simple hybrid F2's and give them away for free.

It is pretty clear IMO who are the real breeders and the real companies - fuck I'll list it off the top of my head right now :

Sensi Seeds
Dutch Passion
Serious Seeds
TH Seeds
Spice of Life
Sagarmatha
Flying Dutchman
(couple of others like Reeferman ... dunno)

From SeedsDirect page this means about 1/4 are real breeders. Anyway, from this list any grower can get A1 seeds of all types - and in the process finance protection of current stocks and even some breed development.

Now, there is one exception, BOG, I consider him an internet buddy as many do. He has a clone mother (I guess) that he'll only release as Hybrid and often as a three way hybrid. The three way hybrid is because he has the competence to breed this way but also it means you can't inbreed and get anywhere near an IBL. So unlike real breeders who release their best efforts - he is protecting his.

Well, sounds pretty heinous doesn't it ? Defence :
1. His tutorials in organic growing
2. His philosophy
3. Sizeable time he dedicates to these efforts
and finally
4. His Hybrid breeds are reliable and good.

Anyway, Serious's AK47 is $105 US and Nirvana's copy is $33 US - a saving of $72 US -this is not big money for anybody nowadays. The most common contribution of these rip off merchants (wooo) is to reduce bloom times - it's a croc. From my research Sensi Seeds has the most extensive catalogue of quick bloomers - oh yeh, BOG has some excellent quick bloomers.

Look forward to reading your thoughts on the matter.

 

[racketeer]

Anyway, Serious's AK47 is $105 US and Nirvana's copy is $33 US - a saving of $72 US -this is not big money for anybody nowadays. The most common contribution of these rip off merchants (wooo) is to reduce bloom times - it's a croc. From my research Sensi Seeds has the most extensive catalogue of quick bloomers - oh yeh, BOG has some excellent quick bloomers.

Look forward to reading your thoughts on the matter.

Ripoff merchants? Why, because they have seeds at an affordable price? I don't see them doing anything other "breeders" aren't doing.

And as far as it goes CBF - there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you want to do, none.

 

[Guest]

Anyway, Serious's AK47 is $105 US and Nirvana's copy is $33 US - a saving of $72 US -this is not big money for anybody nowadays. The most common contribution of these rip off merchants (wooo) is to reduce bloom times - it's a croc. From my research Sensi Seeds has the most extensive catalogue of quick bloomers - oh yeh, BOG has some excellent quick bloomers.

Hey millionaire,

72 bucks is a lot of cash to me and to many others. If companies like Nirvana did not exist then many people would never be able to afford to try out such genetics.

JUST BECAUSE A PERSON GROWS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY SELL.

I have a friend who is working three jobs to put his daughter through college, tell him 72 dollars is nothing.

I will rely on Gypsy to decide what companies are worthy of selling his customers seeds. Gypsy seems to be a very business oriented person who goes out of his way to make sure his people are happy. So if a company is good enough to get seeds on his site, then they are good enough for me.

Everyone works with each others genetics, to some extent. Big deal.

CBF - I agree with racketeer, there is nothing wrong with your plans.

Take care

Peace

 

[Guest]

sounds like a better way to do things than just slapping 2 hybrids together and calling it by a new name..

i guess i just don't understand how so many companies can just slap 2 strains together and sell the seeds when they know full well that these seeds are going to have some serious variation to them. not to mention that in some cases the backgrounds of the P1 strains used in the F1 are poly-hybrids already causing further variation amongst the seed stock. they should at least work the variation out of the parent stock before doing a cross with it.... or to a point anyway.


i guess that's the difference between pollen chuckers , and breeders.

my 2 cents anyway.....


THC

 

[the protege]

Best cross i can think of just from reports. I haven't smoked either of these.
REZ's ECSD crossed with Capt. Crip's Superfruit. Ohh my, my tastebuds tingle just thinking about it. I would then want to keep breeding with the two until a semi stable strain that could offer the best of both. SuperSourFruityDiesel or Super Sour Diesel Fruit. I dream wayyyy too much. But one of these days that is what I will have in my garden. And it will be all mine. None of you can have it!!!! hahahahahahahah

Sorry I went off the deepend there. I don't think there would be anything wrong with it, but I wouldn't be selling to make a profit. Perhaps to get a new light or some nutes but not to become a breeder. (of course just me and I have no beef with people who do) I just don't feel like I have anything to offer to the cannabis community that hasn't already been offered. Variation is nice but it is always nice to have something to give, not just take and make a mix of two things previously done.

Of course you can always argue that everything has been crossed and blah blah blah, and that's fine. We can go about our ways seperately, no beef here with anyone, but I am a shameless kryptonite seeds pimp because of the kindness Capt. Crip showed to me early on.

But all the breeders on these boards should be respected. They all have given things that people love.

Johnseeds, Do you feel that Rez is not a respectable breeder? Seems you left him out, but I would have to argue that with all of my being. Bog, Rez, Capt., are all good breeders. So are many others but they frequent the boards much more than the other breeders, which makes me feel safer with their strains.

 

[Guest]

yeh imo it's fine...though if i were to do any breeding...... i'd think it would be fun to take 2 strains i wanted to cross... stabelize both of them and then cross them and stabilize that. though its a lot of work, time and space...

 

[Guest]

protege.... how do you really know without trying either one......

 

[the protege]

well, it's an assumption. I haven't tried anything with a name except "this is good bud"
But I'm assuming if everyone likes ECSD, I would too. And if capt. says that his superfruit is the strongest he has smoked and so do all of his buddies, then I have to believe it based on capt's merit. One of these days I am sure I will sample (smoke pounds and pounds of it) but until then I will dream.

I know it's not good to make assumptions but they were the first two things that popped into my head. Tell me what would you like to see crossed that you have tried as that is more valuable than my dreaming! :smile:

 

[GreatLakes THC]

The question comes to mind... What constitutes an 'established' strain; the name, the breeder, whether or not it sells? Or is it the number of times whodiha was crossed back to sillypoo. I agree with Rack that you can do whatever you want. You're work is still your work. It doesn't matter who laid the ground work. Even if we both had the same strains my cross wouldn't be the same as your cross. Your cross would still be your cross. If it makes you feel better, just be honest about what you're crossing.

GreatLakes THC

...Looks Established to Me...

Capt. Crip Blueberry

 

[ledhed]

Anyway, Serious's AK47 is $105 US and Nirvana's copy is $33 US - a saving of $72 US -this is not big money for anybody nowadays.

Sure must be nice to have money falling out of your ass.

Those of us who don't, however, would be very unlikely to spend $100 for fucking seeds that we have never grown out. Especially when we haven't learned not to kill three-fourths of them yet.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing at all against the high-end seed market. But I and thousands of others like me are not part of that market, and a lot of us never will be.

Does that mean that we should denied access to decent genetics?

P.S. I don't kill that many any more. I am actually starting to get the hang of this.

 

[GMT]

Well speaking as as a pollen chucker, chuckin pollen gives pollen chuckers alot of chuckin fun.
So why not. Although none of my offspring have ever been sold

 

[JLP]

The person who started this thread didn't say anything about money or breeders or politics.

In fact,I believe he was talking about breeding his own headstash and whether it was acceptable.

If you got a dog from somebody,purebred or otherwise,would you ask the person you bought the dog from if he cared if you bred it?
Probably not,and I've seen enough episodes of The People's Court to know that the person who sold you the dog would have no recourse unless you had a previous agreement.

Nobody cares if you or anyone else makes thier own seeds.We had a guy one time at OG named "exelitexe" that used to tell everybody they were peeing in the genepool by making thier own seeds but he was a fool and nobody listened to him.

If you grow weed long enough you will naturally want to breed your own seeds eventually.There is plenty of info here on this forum and in books to get you along.


JLP

 

[Dr Watt]

JLP, yeh it may be inappropriate posting.

Many homies make own seeds so CBF > great. When you breed at home - let's say two hybrids or even a hybrid with a three way hybrid - most females won't work in either or both potency and yield - but you get 50 seeds so easily that you can choose from 25 females and with these numbers you will likely get a good mother. But the first test crop of your cross may suffer in yield - and depending on your circumstances you may decide it is better to buy 'prepared' seeds.

I did 32 AK48 recently, now, got 18 females and chose down to 6 mothers for now. Number 18 is the pheno I was looking for - low odor / big yield - ready in 7 to 8 weeks. Eliminate all but 1 male during vegetation and yield from seed was 75gram/watt - good yield for me considering haven't chosen the best yet.

Um, to follow thread - I chose 2 females on basis of vigour and for showing early sex - and have crossed this with my 2 BOGbubble and my #18 AK48.

The Student, $70 is a lot for many families - one can't feed kids Cereal and multi vitamins. And yeh Gypsy has a good name - I like SeedsDirect and have ordered with them 3 times. I didn't click that same Gypsy behind Nirvana - kinda legitimises it - maybe the seed market is already mature and 2/3 way hybrids is the sunset of the industry.

Anyway, I reckon if there were far fewer copiers then organisations such as Sensi, Serious, Dutch Passion etc price would be much lower - maybe halve. At least Nirvana is cheap for reliable F2's - fairer than $70 for an F2 original with a twist.